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What do you consider Nintendo's most illogical or baffling decision?
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This and the component cables might be it.
N64 sticking with cartridges is up there tho.
Team Filler
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Jury's still out for me on the bolded.
2Smashed4U
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I actually kinda like being pushed to use different weapons otherwise I'd probably just stick with the master sword or whatever all the time, but I do think it could've been done better.
Possumowner
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Definitely going with cartridges on N64,while Sega and Sony went for CDs,daft mistake despite some of the N64s wonderful games
killatopak
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The Wii U? Virtual Boy? Removing Streetpass? Friend Codes? Etc.
It's hard to pick one but of I had to choose then Friend Codes.
It's hard to pick one but of I had to choose then Friend Codes.
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My tag's several years old. I got it, I recall, while arguing against publishers whining over used games. But the link on it's never worked correctly. It used to go to the list of Neogaf site users, or just to the main site page. If it goes to this thread now, so be it.
Jorok Goldblade
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Selling Rare (the ips, anyway. I get why they sold off the scraps that remained of the talent) and not making an effort to hold onto the shooter and racing markets they built on the N64
2Smashed4U
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Actually yeah this is the real answer.
Neff
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Calling the Wii U the Wii U, after the precedent of releasing endless games and peripherals for Wii with the 'Wii' prefix, and revealing it by showing a white tablet which looked exactly like every peripheral for Wii ever... it's hard to top. I have no idea how they thought it wouldn't cause immense confusion.
It's easy to think this, but all they really lost was market share in the console space. They still made an absolute ton of money, more than Sony during this era in fact.
It's easy to think this, but all they really lost was market share in the console space. They still made an absolute ton of money, more than Sony during this era in fact.
I am not usually as bothered by Nintendo as others are sometimes, but this will be one that really gets me if it truly ends up this way. I don't have or currently want a smartphone, so I'll be SOL if this really is a thing.
We're actually getting obscure Japanese games now, so at least they're trying.
I'd say that the turning point for NOA was when Iwata took over in 2013ish. Reggie is stubborn as a mule and none of his business decisions make a lick of sense. His obsession over limiting DS colours in particular was pathetic.
the fanbase that is interested in the NES classic isn't the exact same as the one they're trying to get with the switch
plus, $300 vs $60 or whatever the NES classic was. Different markets, different audience.
Boy it's a long list, going cartridge, making their consoles intentionally difficult to develop for third parties, mini DVDs, creating a purple lunchbox after the competition painted them into a kiddie corner, consolidating in Japan when it was slumping, but most of these things were sort of explainable from their point of view.
The only thing that was momentously stupid and unexplainable, was whatever the fuck they were doing 2008-2011. They had two global mainstream phenomena, the fastest selling consoles, a shitton of money and the first time ever gaming was seen positively by the world at large, and they did fuck all with it. Didn't commit to fitness, didn't commit to expanding the motion gaming, apparently weren't preparing for HD development. Just sat there with their dicks in their hands watching support fall off a cliff. Miyamoto probably got cocky and shot everything down to make Wii Music happen. How you go from that to Wii U certainly is something.
The only thing that was momentously stupid and unexplainable, was whatever the fuck they were doing 2008-2011. They had two global mainstream phenomena, the fastest selling consoles, a shitton of money and the first time ever gaming was seen positively by the world at large, and they did fuck all with it. Didn't commit to fitness, didn't commit to expanding the motion gaming, apparently weren't preparing for HD development. Just sat there with their dicks in their hands watching support fall off a cliff. Miyamoto probably got cocky and shot everything down to make Wii Music happen. How you go from that to Wii U certainly is something.
1) By far and away would be Nintendo's utterly bizarre decision to go through a FIFTEEN YEAR period before they decided to make another 2D Mario platformer despite them being among the best selling games in video games history.
2) Second most baffling thing: seeing that the Gamecube was in deep shit, in dire need for some major world beating game, and instead of working on the next Mario platformer, they go with...Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat.
3) Third, though also could be tied with no. 2 is Nintendo's flabbergasting decision to sit on their ass for SEVEN YEARS for the sequel to their best selling game on the GC, SSBM. I mean, the subject of a sequel didn't even pop up until at least FOUR YEARS later. No preliminary work, no nothing. The higher ups were just sitting around and scratching their balls all this time.
Nintendo's handling of sequels in general in many cases is just incredibly confusing. I mean, I understand not bothering to do something on F-Zero since while it may be a great series, it sells like crap. But they tend to fuck around even with wildly, ridiculously successful games for almost no discernible reason.
Nintendo's decision to stick with cartridges absolutely made sense...at the time. Sure, in hindsight everyone probably wonders what they were thinking, but remember, Nintendo was making a killing charging third parties for cartridge production. It sucked for them, but it was great for Nintendo. Furthermore, Nintendo had no idea that they would have so many people jump ship, especially to a fledgeling newcomer.
2) Second most baffling thing: seeing that the Gamecube was in deep shit, in dire need for some major world beating game, and instead of working on the next Mario platformer, they go with...Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat.
3) Third, though also could be tied with no. 2 is Nintendo's flabbergasting decision to sit on their ass for SEVEN YEARS for the sequel to their best selling game on the GC, SSBM. I mean, the subject of a sequel didn't even pop up until at least FOUR YEARS later. No preliminary work, no nothing. The higher ups were just sitting around and scratching their balls all this time.
Nintendo's handling of sequels in general in many cases is just incredibly confusing. I mean, I understand not bothering to do something on F-Zero since while it may be a great series, it sells like crap. But they tend to fuck around even with wildly, ridiculously successful games for almost no discernible reason.
Nintendo's decision to stick with cartridges absolutely made sense...at the time. Sure, in hindsight everyone probably wonders what they were thinking, but remember, Nintendo was making a killing charging third parties for cartridge production. It sucked for them, but it was great for Nintendo. Furthermore, Nintendo had no idea that they would have so many people jump ship, especially to a fledgeling newcomer.
Yeah, I don't consider it game-breaking and it encourages you to use everything/preserve others things but I wouldn't have been so aggressive with the way it's implemented. As it stands it is a bit of an annoyance and the game would be more enjoyable with some adjustments.
Like the rain as well, apart from where it's triggered deliberately they shouldn't be trying to replicate the UK's weather so much.
Their refusal to make sequels to games by reusing the same formula that works... except for all the times they do.
They always hide behind Miyamoto's ideology of "we already made that game, we don't need to make an iterative sequel, we must change the formula up" but then we get Mario Galaxy 2, 3D World, Mario party and kart series overall, and more.
They always hide behind Miyamoto's ideology of "we already made that game, we don't need to make an iterative sequel, we must change the formula up" but then we get Mario Galaxy 2, 3D World, Mario party and kart series overall, and more.
I guess its a good thing Nintendo doesnt make consoles then? I mean, i dont get why its "only" market share. Sony's lowest selling console of all time was pretty damn close to the Wii at the end of the day, and Sony has absolutely demolished them in console sales in every other gen. Even the PSP was pretty close to the DS. Vita I'll grant you was a flop but it's turned into a Dreamcast scenario where the fanbase is diehard and the library is amazing.
Also there is absolutely no goddamn way Nintendo made more money than Sony in gen 5.
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Making a shit deal with Sony.
Making a useless deal with Philips.
Charging only $60 for the NES mini.
Announcing a "Virtual Console" at all. Created the unrealistic expectation in people that they could get any past game on any console going forward. Should just sell old games piecemeal as "classics" like the competition. Which is what they do anyway, but the term "Virtual Console" should've never been coined. Seems to be fixing that with the Switch (NeoGeo games don't fall under any "Virtual Console" branding umbrella IIRC).
Making a Splatoon sequel for the Switch instead of a port... should've just been a straight up port, and later the sequel.
Making a useless deal with Philips.
Charging only $60 for the NES mini.
Announcing a "Virtual Console" at all. Created the unrealistic expectation in people that they could get any past game on any console going forward. Should just sell old games piecemeal as "classics" like the competition. Which is what they do anyway, but the term "Virtual Console" should've never been coined. Seems to be fixing that with the Switch (NeoGeo games don't fall under any "Virtual Console" branding umbrella IIRC).
Making a Splatoon sequel for the Switch instead of a port... should've just been a straight up port, and later the sequel.
If I'm not mistaken most of the good talent already departed that company by the time Nintendo let Microsoft buy them
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I said as much in the OP, but I guess no one reads the OP. That may have been a bad decision, but it wasn't baffling. It was very clear why they did it. First, they were exploring CD tech, but their partnerships fell through. Second, as you said, they made money on the carts. And third, their development teams (ie. Miyamoto) were saying they wanted the speed of cartridges over the size of discs.
Chill Penguin
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The Wii U reveal. To this day I have no idea wtf they were thinking. When even hardcore gamers on neogaf were confused as to what the Wii U even was you knew they had a massive messaging problem on their hands.
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This one is pretty high on the list of inexplicable idiocy.
NOA eatablished a box art style like this:
Half a year later, NOE decided that the style doesn't quite work for their market. So they must create a new design system for Europe:
Scandinavian markets (and probably others) protested all the way through to launch, but the idiots at NOE wouldn't budge.
Nintendo did the "box on a box" art BS in the N64 era? Wow, I never knew. Dorks.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
For me, it's casually dropping megatons in side streams few people watch after main E3 events are over. Games like:
The Wonderful 101
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Why would you not show these at your main event?
The Wonderful 101
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Why would you not show these at your main event?
The Horror the horror
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I suspect Nintendo EAD didn't hold any of Rare's IPs to high regard so even if they did retain those IPs I imagine they'd be buried further in the dirt than FZero and Star Tropics.
killatopak
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Wii U.
Focusing so much on NSMB Wii U during the Wii U's launch. Looked exactly like the popular Wii game and it offered barely there, tacked on Gamepad functionality. I think this early marketing focus was the indicative of all the reasons the Wii U failed so hard.
If I were Nintendo, I would have focused on Zombi U. It actually made a strong use case for the GamePad. Better then most games since. Or at least Nintendo land.
If I were Nintendo, I would have focused on Zombi U. It actually made a strong use case for the GamePad. Better then most games since. Or at least Nintendo land.
It's not baffling. Sony tried to claim licensing fees on games used in the CD add on. Nintendo doesn't want to share those (since they're the most lucrative part of console making) and so left the deal.
RowdyReverb
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The marketing and presentation of the Wii U. Maybe not necessarily illogical since the Wii did very well, but baffling in that each of their previous consoles had such a strong sense of individual identity and the Wii U just felt like a follow-up that they didn't really want to make
The Horror the horror
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You think any FPS Nintendo could have come up with without Rare would have stood a chance against Halo?
They surely could have done better than Geist.
Dee Dah Dave
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Lick-able carts being the most next gen thing about the Switch.
lolz. Who knows, too many.
lolz. Who knows, too many.
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