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What was Media Molecule thinking with their Move tech demo?
- Thread starter DR3AM
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The graphics look quite nice but I'm not sure I understand what is going to make this a big hit. I know the presenter stressed simple over and over but it either looks like it will be a lot more complicated or end up like Wii Music.
If this tech demo ends up becoming an actual product it seems like it will be less of a game and more like Flipnote for the dsi or other animation apps.
If this tech demo ends up becoming an actual product it seems like it will be less of a game and more like Flipnote for the dsi or other animation apps.
Ravensmash
Member
That .gif just highlights how good the concept looked tech wise tbh, even if I'm not interested in using a Move.
Funchameleon
Banned
What if it allowed you to puppet each character in separate passes and produce little videos by yourself? There's definitely a market for that kind of thing.
It's the same tech, and the guy was trying to sell the tech itself as revolutionary. It isn't. Well, it was, but that was years ago. I'd also argue that a 2D tablet is actually much better suited for such a tool. Precision and tactile feedback and all. The idea as a whole has potential, though - if they manage to make it easy enough to use.
You typically use Zbrush/ Mudbox/ BodyPaint/ whatever with tablets, not mouse or keyboard. Doesn't get much more natural.
SomeOneInaHat
Member
Shit was hilariously bad lol
Demonstrating how a person can dynamically bring things to life equals bad, huh.
I was excited about it.
Giant Panda
Member
I thought it was pretty damn cool, I don't know what you guys were watching.
Phonomezer
Banned
Oh come on, I'm assuming most people, myself included, are criticising the delivery, not the concept itself.
HEADBANGING just doesn't get my tip hard, unfortunately.
Funchameleon
Banned
When I use zbrush my hand is all over practically every button on my keyboard and tablet. It takes fucking donkeys years to get proficient at it. Holding down the button to "draw" in real 3d space (instead of essentially thinking in UVs as with zbrush) looks a hell of a lot more intuitive, especially for creating full models (which almost necessitates delving into zspheres/dynamesh or modelling in entirely different software).
You say they were passing the tech off as revolutionary, but that's simply wrong. Media Molecule are making these tools accessible and fun, that's the headline.
Just waiting till they make a game where you have to make the game yourself. 'Heres dumbed down versions of the tools we use, do it yourself.' 'Do It Yourself: The Game' Experience all the joys and frustrations of making your own game and hope others download it. Also you don't get paid. Enjoy!
This presser was not the place for this game and this demonstration.
Save that for E3. It was out of place here.
OutToLunch
Neo Member
Absolutely day 1 for me if I buy the PS4. Naysayers be damned, these guys are incredibly talented and make powerful tools that anyone can use. Can't wait to see what communities spring up from this game / software...
pcostabel
Gold Member
I thought it was awesome, especially the animation part. Controlling the characters like puppets is a brilliant idea. Making animation is the hardest part of creating CG movies. If MM figured out a way to create performances in real time, they will make machinima accessible to everyone. Still not sure how much of it was predefined (clearly the song was prerecorded) but hopefully you can assign buttons to different wires controlling various body parts and create predefined interactions with the objects in the environment. Very excited about it.
RobotMafia
Banned
Judging by LBP I would say they realized they dont make very good games so they just moved to wacky tech demos?
les papillons sexuels
Banned
i loved it. This was one of the more interesting things for me. Drawing in 3d then 3d printing it would be awesome.
Boss Man
Member
Yeah that's probably it. LBP was awful, poorly received, bad reviews, people hate it, etc. And this was just some wacky mumbo-jumbo.
I was streaming the video on my phone during the drive home and my fiancee was explaining some of the happenings when we weren't at stop lights (listened to audio through the bluetooth connection) and she was so confused at the dancing bit. She said essentially this exact same thing. Who would do that? Honestly no one would. It was a weird segment.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Everything looked like it was made out of poo. Seemed strange to bring out the Move controllers for a new system but I get the feeling this will be a little throwaway app and not MM's first full fledged PS4 project.
TimeEffect
Member
I'm assuming this can become LBP 3D Land, but the presentation was just off.
It was also weird to see the Move at all, seems like they are going to continue selling it as an add-on, in which case the support will be split, in which case I feel bad that Mm is making this and not using their talents for something the core PS4 buyer can enjoy.
Let's just wait and see what they turn it into. Do love them, but was expecting something much more bigger/finished
It was also weird to see the Move at all, seems like they are going to continue selling it as an add-on, in which case the support will be split, in which case I feel bad that Mm is making this and not using their talents for something the core PS4 buyer can enjoy.
Let's just wait and see what they turn it into. Do love them, but was expecting something much more bigger/finished
Barack Lesnar
Banned
First. Reply. :lol: A penis would be one of the first things I'd make with that... probably a smiley face first, then a pair of tits, then a huge wang.
gutter_trash
Banned
this was the low point of the event, I went on a bathroom brake as soon as a I saw banging on instruments
cutmeamango
Banned
Yeah, I'd guess all the talk about "recording your dream" threw people off.
If they said: We are taking LBP to the next level, now you can easily* model/texture/animate everything to produce your own interactive/realtime animations
People would get it.
Or they are incredibly dense and will continue to ask why Zbrush had a baby with Wii Music.
*easy if you actually have a bit of training with clay and 3d space interaction, or else it will always look like blobs and poo.
ArkkAngel007
Member
It may have been better to have shown the animations moving independently first, then splice the footage with another of the users with the move controllers to make the message clearer.
However, I think they were really trying to push the whole Share feature, and wanted to show all the options that may be possible with the editor. Not the best of moves, but understandable after thinking about it.
However, I think they were really trying to push the whole Share feature, and wanted to show all the options that may be possible with the editor. Not the best of moves, but understandable after thinking about it.
backbreaker65
Banned
Let's see if I recall, the MC said this next portion of presenters are not presenting games but creative ideas. He then introduce the Heavy Rain producer who talked about tech specifics and how they have advanced. He went on to introduce MM who talked about the creative process and how they would like to do something special in that realm.
What did we get?
Zbrush Tools, that will allow you to create in realtime via PSMove also you can interact with your creation with friends.
At not one point did they say hey look at our new game. What they presented were creation tools for the artsy person.
And this is why I don't understand the ridicule, given the context of the presentation.
What did we get?
Zbrush Tools, that will allow you to create in realtime via PSMove also you can interact with your creation with friends.
At not one point did they say hey look at our new game. What they presented were creation tools for the artsy person.
And this is why I don't understand the ridicule, given the context of the presentation.
PaulExcellent
Member
Yep. It's like it was made for it.
TimeEffect
Member
AusRoachman
Member
Lack of sackboy throughout the entire conference was a let down.
a secret-boss
Banned
with the same motion u either beat the drum or play piano
Ploid 3.0
Member
It will be a tool that they can include in their next play create share game. Something where you won't have to cut up blocks with a analog to make your flat characters and environment. It will make LBP3 or whatever have even better Jurassic Park machinima.
People that don't want to sculpt can choose from a pool of items other people sculpted and include it in their levels. Like someone will be king at making TF2 hats, and others will like his creator profile (think skyrim modders on Nexus) and use his stuff, giving him credit in their levels.
People that don't want to sculpt can choose from a pool of items other people sculpted and include it in their levels. Like someone will be king at making TF2 hats, and others will like his creator profile (think skyrim modders on Nexus) and use his stuff, giving him credit in their levels.
Too bad Sony has abandoned the chance of turning him into a sort of Playstation mascot. That cute design is MM's sole worthwhile contribution to gaming.
yurinka
Member
I also understood this. I see a lot of potential specially for creative people like artists. Seems way more powerful and aparently easier to build stuff than in LBP. Can't wait to see more, seems really interesting.
But I understand that as always dumb people wouldn't like it because it doesn't feature guns and bald barking marines.
I liked it a lot. It was probably the first time I've seen Move used in a non-stupid way. I don't see it appealing to more than people who like to create stuff though, but I appreciated them teasing technology that might potentially find it's way into a 3D platformer version of LBP.
The bit at the end was kinda silly, but the rest of it was top notch and one of the highlights of the conference. Maybe that's why people didn't like it; one of the best parts of that entire conference was mostly a product of old technology.
The bit at the end was kinda silly, but the rest of it was top notch and one of the highlights of the conference. Maybe that's why people didn't like it; one of the best parts of that entire conference was mostly a product of old technology.
This.
Shit was hilariously bad lol
But you ignore the fact that it's all moving in sync with no delay.
Funchameleon
Banned
Either it actually operates with imperceptible lag (entirely possible) or they just delayed the footage so it was in sync (in order to push the point and not have everyone focusing on the desyncronization).
Pachterballs
Banned
I didn't care for it but I was like, oh okay. That's neat.
I'm not a big fan of their products.
I'm not a big fan of their products.
They said it was shot in one take.
The PS4Eye can track at 240FPS at it's lowest resolution & 60FPS at 1280 x 800 so I would just chalk it up to the tracking just being that good.