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[Sho_Nuff82]

By that logic:

Thor was able to go h2h with an enraged hulk without taking any significant damage. Not a scratch on the guy, and he busted out of a containment designed to hold the hulk.

The hulk buster went one on one with an enraged hulk...barely. hulk shredded that thing throughout the fight, Tony had to call in another arm fairly early after hulk destroyed one.

Thor is clearly well above the hulkbuster, and the hulkbuster is well above a standard suit.

A standard suit even a modern one should be nowhere near Thor.

The Tony fight in Avengers 1 is a bit of an asterisk. His magical lightning somehow made Iron Man's suit operate at 400% power by supercharging the Arc reactor, Thor wasn't trying to kill him, and he still took zero real damage while nearly crushing Tony's wrists.

 

[MartyStu]

He got so strong when the writing got so bad. Is the problem with comics, someone thinks it's cool for a character to lift a train or something, and just glosses over the fact he can never struggle to lift anything smaller again. Then next time a train is too small, so gotta go bigger, and gloss over lifting a train will never be a struggle again. Stuff I read growing up he had the strength of a few men combined, lifting a car would be about the limit.

Not sure how old you are, but Spider-Man has been capable of performing impressive feats of strength for decades.

I mean, just consider his basic web-slinging thing. That alone requires Superstrength and durability beyond just the basics.

 

[AppleSeason]

One thing that I am realising right now is that I had forgotten about how strong he really is and the issue with having to hold back most of the time. Due to the seemingly weakened appearances I ended wondering how in hell he was able to join the Avengers... Until the thread made me remember that he can actually lift.

Another that bugs me is. Has the "teasing spider-man" been cranked up to eleven over the years? Most of the stuff I read as a kid was reprints from the 70's and 80's (pre-marriage Spidey) and I remember him... quiet. When I got back into comics with Civil War is when he would not shut up.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

One thing that I am realising right now is that I had forgotten about how strong he really is and the issue with having to hold back most of the time. Due to the seemingly weakened appearances I ended wondering how in hell he was able to join the Avengers... Until the thread made me remember that he can actually lift.

Another that bugs me is. Has the "teasing spider-man" been cranked up to eleven over the years? Most of the stuff I read as a kid was reprints from the 70's and 80's (pre-marriage Spidey) and I remember him... quiet. When I got back into comics with Civil War is when he would not shut up.

The first 6 issues feature an endless stream of Spidey shit-talking the Fantastic Four, Doctor Doom, Sandman, Vulture, and then getting his world destroyed when he gets his ass kicked by Dr. Octopus.

You're probably remembering wrong.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

These basically. He was a teenager when he got bit and continued getting stronger as he aged. Plus he is always holding back his strength to avoid collateral damage or hurting enemies too much, so you rarely ever see how powerful Peter ACTUALLY is.

FWIW he is probably #3 in the MCU behind only Hulk and Thor.

GTFO really??

 

[Parallax]

Ock as Spiderman > Parker as Spiderman. They should have let Parker stay gone.

Spock is a coward. He may have ran though low level spider rogues, but he would be mad exposed if stormin norman had decided to test him. Same with the kravenoffs. And although everyone was taking stupid pills while he was active, eventually someone other than logan and scott would have seen through his shit, then he would have a whole new list of troubles.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

One thing that I am realising right now is that I had forgotten about how strong he really is and the issue with having to hold back most of the time. Due to the seemingly weakened appearances I ended wondering how in hell he was able to join the Avengers... Until the thread made me remember that he can actually lift.

I'm mean even if Spider-Man didn't appear very strong this a Avengers team where Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Falcon are allowed to join. disrespect to them but he's stronger than all three of them. There's probably no valid reason to leave him and Ant-Man out.

 

[MartyStu]

GTFO really??

Lol, no.

 

[Rooster12]

B) We literally never see THAT body double in action. He's a body double, which means he pretty much exists as a tool. That tool was "get killed and left behind so people think Kingpin's dead." They may as well have outright stated that. Do you require silver-age tier dialogue?

Kingpin pretty much outright said that....and that wasn't much better than silver-age dialogue.

Spock is a coward. He may have ran though low level spider rogues, but he would be mad exposed if stormin norman had decided to test him. Same with the kravenoffs. And although everyone was taking stupid pills while he was active, eventually someone other than logan and scott would have seen through his shit, then he would have a whole new list of troubles.

Superior Spider-Man was a good idea....but execution was awful...and the stories were outlandish.

And the fact that the Avengers were baffled at why Spock was killing people and yet didn't investigate was mindboggling.

 

[Parallax]

I'm mean even if Spider-Man didn't appear very strong this a Avengers team where Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Falcon are allowed to join. disrespect to them but he's stronger than all three of them. There's probably no valid reason to leave him and Ant-Man out.

...those three have all been avengers before this.

 

[AppleSeason]

The first 6 issues feature an endless stream of Spidey shit-talking the Fantastic Four, Doctor Doom, Sandman, Vulture, and then getting his world destroyed when he gets his ass kicked by Dr. Octopus.

You're probably remembering wrong.

Mmm. Maybe when I started was a bit later (The death of the Sin Eater and he was already wearing the non symbiote black suit, so I probably started with 80's)

Which reminds me about another instance of what happens when you piss off spider-man.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Not sure how old you are, but Spider-Man has been capable of performing impressive feats of strength for decades.

I mean, just consider his basic web-slinging thing. That alone requires Superstrength and durability beyond just the basics.

He would regularly tired out or use an enemies power against them as he wasn't strong enough to face them direct.

 

[Iorv3th]

According to this marvel wikia strength scale

Spider-Man - 20 tons (Original and now current strength level due to reality being altered during the events of "One More Day")

 

[DryEyeRelief]

See, that's what makes a character trait good. The quips aren't just there for the sake of humor alone. They inform you about the character, and even the absence of them tells you something about the character's mindset at the moment

I thought the reason he's so snarky to begin with is to mask his own fear. The idea that he's holding back and can actually kick everyone's ass if he loses his morals goes against that idea, no? What does he have to be afraid of?

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

...those three have all been avengers before this.

But who would you rather have on your team when Thanos shows up?

 

[DedalusJoyce]

I'm assuming this is in relation to the Bucky Punch Block that we saw recently. I think people underestimate how powerful Spider-man really was in previous films. As some of you guys already mentioned, he lifted a cable car one handed, tried to stop a train with his legs and even got hit buy a speeding train head on (deleted sccene from the train fight) and I'm sure he has done crazier things in comics.

Its only when you see that power in the context of things you have seen earlier (Bucky being badass with his arm) when it feels weird.

 

[Stallion Dan]

I thought the reason he's so snarky to begin with is to mask his own fear. The idea that he's holding back and can actually kick everyone's ass if he loses his morals goes against that idea, no? What does he have to be afraid of?

Stuff I read he was never strong enough to face them directly,so he would wind the enemies up to make them tire themselves out, or do something he wanted them to do like attack/hit something to fall on them etc.

 

[B-Dubs]

I thought the reason he's so snarky to begin with is to mask his own fear. The idea that he's holding back and can actually kick everyone's ass if he loses his morals goes against that idea, no? What does he have to be afraid of?

He's superstrong, not invulnerable. Bullets and whatnot can still kill him.

 

[Jack Remington]

The Tony fight in Avengers 1 is a bit of an asterisk. His magical lightning somehow made Iron Man's suit operate at 400% power by supercharging the Arc reactor, Thor wasn't trying to kill him, and he still took zero real damage while nearly crushing Tony's wrists.

He had a 400% boost for one shot. Thor was absolutely trying to put him in the ground, as evidenced by the fact that he unequivocally tried to murder Steve Rogers a few minutes later for telling him to chill out. Tony landed more total hits in that fight and knocked Thor on his ass multiple times.

I have no idea why so many posters here want to retcon the hell out of that fight.

If it goes 10 rounds, Thor almost certainly wins, but it was a good fight.

Overpowered JMS Thor wouldn't be a good fit for the character dynamics they're going for in the MCU, quite frankly. There's more power level compression.

 

[this_guy]

Can he overpower the Juggernaut? Just how strong is Juggernaut? I remember seeing a Spiderman/X-force crossover in the 90s where they team up against Juggernaut and Shatterstar (is he still around) stabs him in the eye.

Also - Ant Man doesn't have any superhuman strength does he?

 

[Version 3.0]

Spider-Man's origin says he has "the proportional strength and speed of a spider", isn't that right? That's not very specific, but it sounds pretty strong.

When Marvel did their "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe" in 1982, I believe the stat they put on Spidey was 10 tons. That's definitely what it was in the late 90's when they did a miniseries update, and a line of cards as well. Looks like it's 20 now? I don't keep up.

I wouldn't get too hung up on specific examples. Writers are always all over the place, with any character. You can find anything from Spidey having trouble carrying one person around to him beating up Firelord or Titania, both 100-ton powerhouse characters (fights which I fucking loved, by the way).

 

[Xyrmellon]

Going by the Marvel tabletop rpg of the 1980's Spider-Man could lift up to 10 tons, and I believe the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe listed it as that as well. So yes, he's always been really strong, but remember he spent a lot of time fighting folks like Mysterio and the Beetle so he didn't need to pile it on.

 

[Parallax]

But who would you rather have on your team when Thanos shows up?

Everyone outside of the hulk and possibly ant man is getting wiped out, so it doesnt really matter

 

[Jarmel]

Spider-Man varies wildly depending on adrenaline level and how serious he is.

However my understanding is that even characters like Iron-Man are in a separate league.

 

[Iorv3th]

Can he overpower the Juggernaut? Just how strong is Juggernaut? I remember seeing a Spiderman/X-force crossover in the 90s where they team up against Juggernaut and Shatterstar (is he still around) stabs him in the eye.

Also - Ant Man doesn't have any superhuman strength does he?

No he couldn't. Though Juggernaut has had his powers taken away or diminished before. Just pure strength Juggernaut is one of the strongest.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

That Steve Ditko sequence from ASM #33 is seriously one of the most iconic Spider-Man scenes of all time, right up there with "Face it tiger, you hit the jackpot" and the costume in the trash can.

Consider especially that this is from 1966. A sequence that goes on for pages like this was a brand new thing. Jack Kirby's legendary status is well deserved, but man, you see things like this and realize that Steve Ditko was an extremely special artist as well.

 

[Maintenance]

Everyone outside of the hulk and possibly ant man is getting wiped out, so it doesnt really matter

Ant Man? Why? If Thanos wipes out everything with the gauntlet isn't he gone too?

And I'm not so sure about Hulk either, I remember someone posting a picture of Thanos just bitch slapping Hulk like it was nothing.

 

[PsychBat!]

Ock as Spiderman > Parker as Spiderman. They should have let Parker stay gone.

While I loooooooooved SpOck, I don't agree. But I do think Peter came back too soon.

 

[Lmo911]

I thought the reason he's so snarky to begin with is to mask his own fear. The idea that he's holding back and can actually kick everyone's ass if he loses his morals goes against that idea, no? What does he have to be afraid of?

Peter is snarky as Spider-Man because it's his outlet from being Peter Parker. He was a snarky jerk at the beginning because he finally had the power to do something, to be a big shot. It wasn't until he lost Ben did he realize the whole power and responsibility thing. Even though he knows better now, the costume is till his chance to cut loose at least personality wise and it works in his favor.

Without Ben's death, Spider-Man would have probably been a villain by now.

 

[Slayven]

Yeah, he could still manipulate smaller objects and stuff but was nowhere near as powerful as he was in his prime.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Didn't say he was no longer capable of doing some brutal shit

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

He got stronger generally post Venom black suit. Marvel simply didnt nerf completely back to what he was.

 

[diaspora]

Ock as Spiderman > Parker as Spiderman. They should have let Parker stay gone.

Even Octavius knows that's wrong.

 

[Messofanego]

Having read through this thread, I just want more panels of edgy quiet Spiderman.

What's this about Reed Richards fucking you up worse than a quick death? Any panels about his torturous tendencies?

 

[Jack Remington]

Even Octavius knows that's wrong.

That was terrible writing designed to restore the status quo, clearly an editorial mandate.

 

[MHWilliams]

And that reminds me about this page which always comes to my mind whenever we talk about spider strenght:

This post is all you need. Spidey is on the same level as She-Hulk and Colossus.

 

[Johndoey]

There was a graphic novel or mini series a while back (can't recall the title), but it was pretty much based around Parker starting a descent into villain-ish behavior after got his powers but before Ben died. If I remember right.

 

[Maintenance]

This post is all you need. Spidey is on the same level as She-Hulk and Colossus.

Is that...the Silver Surfer?

Spider Man is supposed to be on the same level as that guy?

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Is that...the Silver Surfer?

Spider Man is supposed to be on the same level as that guy?

Look again at the ranking. It's purely physical strength and nothing else in spidermans list, for everyone.

 

[Maedhros]

I always loves these threads about comic book power levels, considering that the said comics retcon things all the time. In one story, he's only a bit strong to lift a car... then in some comics, he's only weaker than Hulk and Thor... wtf?

Even DBZ has more consistency (j/k).

 

[Master Thespian]

Pretty sure present-day adult Colossus moved up a level, since that was from when he was still a teenager.

 

[Jack Remington]

Surfer did get armbarred by Black Panther.

 

[Mr-Joker]

Now I have that scene from the 90's cartoon when he yells "SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCKER" stuck in my head.

SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCKER

I really loved watching the 90s Spider-Man cartoon, I should hunt down the DVD boxset.

True, but when even the quips stop...then you're really fucked

Although this moment is fantastic. Four panels, and it just flows wonderfully. Perfect use of a quip there

I love it that in the next scene Norman ran off scared as he didn't want to mess about with Parker.

Nah

Spider-Man could go toe to toe against the Hulk and if need be finish him for good, but won't as that will mean killing Banner.

Ock as Spiderman > Parker as Spiderman. They should have let Parker stay gone.

Ock was a terrible Spider-Man and he knew it as the dude was far too arrogant and refusing to believe that anyone could better him.

He was also far harsher than Parker and failed to understand the whole "With great power comes with Great responsibly."

It was when Norman had him beat and Parker chose stepped in to save someone even though it meant coming out of hiding that Ock realised that Parker was indeed the Superior Spider-Man.

 

[Switch Back 9]

Spider-Man could go toe to toe against the Hulk and if need be finish him for good, but won't as that will mean killing Banner.

Not a fucking chance. Hulk would rip him limb from limb and not break a sweat. Spider-Man is strong, but Hulk is way, way, WAY stronger.

I can't wait to see Spidey whoop Bucky's emo ass in Civil War though.

 

[MHWilliams]

Is that...the Silver Surfer?

Spider Man is supposed to be on the same level as that guy?

The Silver Surfer is physically weak. The Power Cosmic just keeps him in the fight.

 

[Maintenance]

The Silver Surfer is physically weak. The Power Cosmic just keeps him in the fight.

Huh.

 

[TaterTots]

Hate to be that guy, but I thought it was common knowledge Spider-Man is strong as hell. I've seen him lift buildings and vehicles on multiple occasions. You'd never know it since he fights a lot of street level bums.

 

[Aselith]

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Strength_Scale

Spidey has moved 20 tonnes.

Black Widow can lift as much as Colossus? Is she a super soldier serum recipient or something? Thought she was just a normal human.

 

[Johndoey]

Black Widow can lift as much as Colossus? Is she a super soldier serum recipient or something? Thought she was just a normal human.

Comics Widow is enhanced.

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

Spidey is not #3 in the MCU for physical strength, lmao.

Ultron's final form, Vision, Loki, Abomination, Hulkbuster, Kurse, Malekith, The Destroyer, suped-up Ronan, shit maybe even regular Ronan are all above him.

Heck, maybe throw in a couple of Tony's top-tier suits, Iron Monger, Whiplash's second suit, etc.