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Which Console is "Saved" More at E3: Vita or WiiU?

Personally i'm a little more curious to see what Nintendo has in store for WiiU's future.I already have a Vita and i know for which games i bought it but so far (with the exception of WW HD) there's nothing on WiiU that makes me want to buy the system.
Of course X is coming but when will that be?Because i really have serious doubts it will be out this year.And what about Zelda U?Bayonetta 2?New IPs?

I think the questionmark for WiiU's future is much bigger right now than the one for Vita's.
 
I don't really think Vita will ever move out of the space it's in at the moment. It's a niche console in the west, and it's doing okay in Japan, and even saying that is being generous. We'll have some indies, ports, localized games and maybe one or two new fully fledged games for it, but that's probably as far as it's gonna go.

At best, Sony might be able to gain a little from remote play, Minecraft bundles or something in that vain, but there's not really much for them to gain in the Vita world. Keep in mind I'm saying all this as a Vita owner, and I'm perfectly fine with it. 3DS and mobiles are dominating the handheld market, and there's not really room for a niche handheld console to take massive marketshare.
 
AzaK said:
People keep saying Zelda at E3 but have Nintendo ever said that?
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Yes. Back in October, Nintendo's Eiji Aonuma said he'd provide more information about the game at E3 2014. However, we don't know if we'll actually see footage of the game or even a screenshot.
 
Really don't think Sony or Nintendo care a whole lot about "saving" either system.

Nintendo is going to want to cut their losses so they'll finish up the games they're already working on and maybe announce a few smaller games (like NES Remix). Instead of trying to save the WiiU, they'll want to put the WiiU to rest as soon as they can without losing customer confidence so that they can release a new system (ideally, a reverse WiiU - aka a portable system that can stream to TVs and doubles as a home system).

Vita is already a success. Admittedly, not the success that they wanted when they developed the thing, but still a success, however small. It's getting great developer support from indies & Japanese developers and software sales are surprisingly good despite the low install base. Most people who own the system, love it. Rather than spending a lot of money for a chance to turn the Vita from a small success into big one, I think Sony is going to embrace the Vita's harcore niche status and focus their attention on the PS4.

So yeah, I wouldn't expect to see a whole lot shown for either system that we haven't heard about already. Best case scenario, we see some footage for a real Zelda & footage for Gravity Rush 2.
 
Wii U has more on the line, but vita is the deader platform everywhere that's not Japan. I mean come on people, the Vita's closest competitors last month were two discontinued consoles, that is never a good thing.
 
zeelman said:
Announcing more games means nothing if they don't help sell more systems. Mediocre hardware sales and modest software sales doesn't make a system very successful. It doesn't help that the Vita TV bombed in Japan, either.
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That's a bit irrelevant considering the topic at hand is sony ignoring the vita. It's not being ignored by sony in my opinion, it's just not selling, period. They need to come up with new ways to get the market interested in it that I can agree on.
 
There's nothing left to save with Vita. It is what it is and that's never going to change. Of course I don't think Nintendo is going to actually announce that many new Wii U games at E3, but it at least will probably get a big sales boost this holiday and in May.
 
First of all, Nintendo just needs to show up at E3. Once they are there, they need to make some serious noise. They have too much in the war chest and a system with too much potential to just roll over and continue to let it fail. Fund more games, get out there and market the shit out of this thing. A price advantage, BC, no required subscriptions and a strong library is not something you want to let slide under the radar.
 
Robert at Zeboyd Games said:
Really don't think Sony or Nintendo care a whole lot about "saving" either system.

Nintendo is going to want to cut their losses so they'll finish up the games they're already working on and maybe announce a few smaller games (like NES Remix). Instead of trying to save the WiiU, they'll want to put the WiiU to rest as soon as they can without losing customer confidence so that they can release a new system (ideally, a reverse WiiU - aka a portable system that can stream to TVs and doubles as a home system).

Vita is already a success. Admittedly, not the success that they wanted when they developed the thing, but still a success, however small. It's getting great developer support from indies & Japanese developers and software sales are surprisingly good despite the low install base. Most people who own the system, love it. Rather than spending a lot of money for a chance to turn the Vita from a small success into big one, I think Sony is going to embrace the Vita's harcore niche status and focus their attention on the PS4.

So yeah, I wouldn't expect to see a whole lot shown for either system that we haven't heard about already. Best case scenario, we see some footage for a real Zelda & footage for Gravity Rush 2.
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Been trying to nail this down but the lack of understanding surrounding the Vita's position runs deep
 
Sony could do nothing and PlayStation Vita will survive either way, because indie devs will support the machine no matter what.

Besides, PS Vita has pretty good sales on Japan, so Sony won't stop making them.

And, most important, PS Vita has superior hardware to its competition BY FAR.

WiiU, in other hand:
* Doesn't have much support even from the indie devs.
* It's not selling good anywhere.
* It's a last gen console fighting with two new gen consoles.
 
They're both sales failures, so neither will be saved.

Wii U has a better chance of getting some uptick in sales I guess, since Nintendo is still heavily investing in it with MK8, Smash Bros, Zelda U etc. where as I doubt we'll get any more major AAA games on Vita.

Vita will probably have more stuff to excite it's fans though since I'm sure there will be a lot of indie and niche Japanese stuff shown/announced.
 
Winterfang said:
Wii U. The only way to play decent games on the Vita is by remote play.
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I've read a lot of opinions in this thread that I don't entirely agree with, but I said I wasn't gonna jump in because they're pretty much all valid.

But this, this is just way too wrong to leave sitting there.
Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case I apologise

I'm not one to sit here and list everything that's great on the Vita, that's just boring and done all too often. Like pretty much any system, it has great games, and to dismiss it like that is either wilful misunderstanding of the situation or actual stupidity.

As for the topic, I think Vita will get a little bit of time at E3, but not a whole lot. Enough to remind people it exists but not more than maybe 15 minutes. It'll likely carry on as-is for a couple more years, although maybe some remote play adverts would do a lot of good. And there's huge potential in a Minecraft bundle. I love mine but it won't kill me to see it simply maintain its current trajectory. I hope for more but I feel it's unlikely. Wii U is probably screwed, but with Mario Kart and Smash this could be a good year by the standards already set. I'd like to see them turn it around, but I just don't see how Nintendo can sustain a decent output of games pretty much on their own.
 
The Vita cannot be saved in the traditional sense. But it has wrestled itself into a niche of indie and Japanese games, so it will continue for a couple more years at least.

The Wii U...I'm not too sure about. I really doubt it can be saved either, but there's a tiny chance it could be revived with the selling power of Nintendo's first party. But thus far, nothing they've done has worked.
 
Stumpokapow said:
consoles don't get saved in epic explosions of awesome, they get turned around gradually (well, actually, most don't)
there's no real reason for sony to try to save the vita nor is there a sensible strategy for them to do so
e3 isn't a big deal for any company and hasn't been for years
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Is this a joke post?

I know you're a mod and all, but E3 breaks the site every year because of huge it is.
 
Both are already dead. Vita has western indies and niche Japanese 3rd party support. Wii U has western indies and some big 1st party support. That's pretty much as good as it gets for either and their current trajectories aren't going to change at all.
 
Violence Jack said:
I have a feeling that this will be Nintendo's last effort to really push the Wii U. If anything can get those systems sold, it will be the announcement of a new Zelda combined with a price cut. I think they bite the bullet and drop it to $149.99 with a $200 Zelda bundle to be released with the game.

As for Vita, I just want to hear if Vita TV will ever stand a chance in hell of coming out here. Otherwise, I don't see them mentioning it.
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They will not drop it to $150. The Wii U is barely profitable as is, and dropping it to 150$ is just insane.
 
Kintaro said:
Would you like to know why it's not "great?" Go back and check how much both PSP and DS were selling during the same time periods and then check how much 3DS and Vita as selling now.

Neither Sony or Nintendo would define their sales as "great."
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Back then neither iOS and Android existed, we have to keep that in mind. iOS gaming is fucking up Japanese dedicated gaming market right now and despite to this, Vita is doing, well maybe not great, but good.
 
I really want the Vita to do well... But I can't see Sony suddenly devoting a bunch of resources to it. I don't know about "saved", but the U will probably see the larger boost from E3, though both will still limp along after.
 
Vashetti said:
Is this a joke post?

I know you're a mod and all, but E3 breaks the site every year because of huge it is.
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It breaks the ghetto servers of a site consisting of a couple of thousand gaming enthusiasts (Vita's target demo) constantly pressing F5 because they can't handle the hype.
 
maltrain said:
Sony could do nothing and PlayStation Vita will survive either way, because indie devs will support the machine no matter what.

Besides, PS Vita has pretty good sales on Japan, so Sony won't stop making them.

And, most important, PS Vita has superior hardware to its competition BY FAR.

WiiU, in other hand:
* Doesn't have much support even from the indie devs.
* It's not selling good anywhere.
* It's a last gen console fighting with two new gen consoles.
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going forward that won't be true. tons of Unity stuff is coming to the Wii U.
 
I dunno.. Vita has its issues. 100%. But the WiiU is kind of a joke a little bit. ( Full disclosure, I got one day 1, and look forward to MK8 and the potential of a new zelda ).

There is just about zero third party support on WiiU. You can say what you want about the vita with its ports and indies and JRPGs ( which just happen to all be up my alley :) ), but there is at least something new coming out on it just about every week ( especially the last few months have been pretty good ). There is just about zero first party support for the vita as well.. which is not great, but ultimately you want that third party support.

Also, I know its not fair because the vita has had a bit longer, but in Dec. 2013, IGN pegged the vita around 6 million units sold world wide and WiiU at 4.2 million. ( sources: Vita , WiiU).. And as with consoles that have been out for 2 years, it will be all about the software. Yes Nintendo will have bigger spectacles and will likely announce 1 or 2 more Nintendo developed exclusives that potentially could really impress.. But I just don't know if it will be enough. People who love Nintendo exclusives probably already own a WiiU. Vs. People who potentially love a certain niche JRPG or port of a classic for on the go, might get swayed by vita when that right 3rd party title is announced. Right now, the Vita is probably a more appetizing place to develop for third parties than the WiiU is. I think the Vita might be better off at E3, but it will be in small indie and Japanese developer booths, rather than a giant boom on the show floor that Nintendo will do to try and save the WiiU.

Anyways, this was all just speculation and conjecture ( which seemed to be the nature of the OP :) ). Thanks for listening.
 
Vashetti said:
Is this a joke post?

I know you're a mod and all, but E3 breaks the site every year because of huge it is.
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A Nintendo direct or a HL3 rumor can break the site, so that doesnt really measure much. :P

OT: Between the 2 the WiiU will likely come out on top, Nintendo has a lot more riding on the WiiU than sony has on the Vita. That said, i dont expect either to be a runaway success. Vita will keep its niche status, its audience love it and buy a ton of games for it, sony wont discontinue it anytime soon. WiiU will sell 15-20 million units to the Nintendo fanbase. Games will be great but it will be a money and timesink for Nintendo. If they make a new console it will launch holiday 2016 probably.
 
To go along with my earlier comments, if saving the WiiU was a goal for Nintendo, they wouldn't have turned Smash Bros. for the WiiU into a delayed port; they'd be releasing the 3DS & WiiU versions simultaneously or even make the 3DS version the delayed port.
 
Ludicrous Speed said:
Yeah, that 10k sales blip for March, and now people are spelling doom and gloom. Shocking
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It could also be that Sony/retail have been phasing out the PSV1000 model?

From what I've heard on GAF the PSV1000 has been sparse and hard to find - as Sony has been winding toward the PSV2000, due shortly.

I do think Sony could unveil a Minecraft bundle/footage, alongside a rumored Infamous game to help it out some.

Despite the lower sales, Sony (particularly SCEA) has been trying recently to show some Vita hype. I'd hate to put any of the Vita misfortunes (past E3's, support) on Jack Tretton - but ultimately, he was responsible for the Vita being a success or dismal in NA. Jack is gone now and hopefully, SCEA takes a new direction for their existing handheld hardware.

I do believe change is afoot - Gio Corsi's team, Shahids efforts and a new SCEA leader - could all culminate and show a reinvigorated PSV enthusiasm = continued and growing support.

E3 is an American show, SCEA has always neglected the system far more than SCEJ and SCEE, when it comes to stage time + announcements.
 
eighty(one) said:
It could also be that Sony/retail have been phasing out the PSV1000 model?

From what I've heard on GAF the PSV1000 has been sparse and hard to find - as Sony has been winding toward the PSV2000, due shortly.

I do think Sony could unveil a Minecraft bundle/footage, alongside a rumored Infamous game to help it out some.

Despite the lower sales, Sony (particularly SCEA) has been trying recently to show some Vita hype. I'd hate to put any of the Vita misfortunes (past E3's, support) on Jack Tretton - but ultimately, he was responsible for the Vita being a success or dismal in NA. Jack is gone now and hopefully, SCEA takes a new direction for their existing handheld hardware.

I do believe change is afoot - Gio Corsi's team, Shahids efforts and a new SCEA leader - could all culminate and show a reinvigorated PSV enthusiasm = continued and growing support.

E3 is an American show, SCEA has always neglected the system far more than SCEJ and SCEE, when it comes to stage time + announcements.
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Anyone who has been following the Mountains of announcements for the system should be totally confident in its continued presence for AT LEAST the next 2 years
 
Potentially? no question: WiiU, but Nintendo better have bombs to drop and a simple Zelda reveal will not cut it.
 
Given the killer library for Vita and what an amazing deal it is if you have Plus, I'd say there is literally nothing that can save Vita. And it's my favorite handheld of all time. But the market simply does not want it. Every single person with a PS3 and/or PS4 and Plus should want one. But they don't. The platform itself obviously does not appeal to a broad audience and I don't think any software can change that.
 
Goldenmoney said:
They're both probably beyond saving at this point. I imagine the Wii U will be the focus of Nintendo's conference (assuming they have one), while the Vita will be given very limited stage time, if any at all. Wii U at least has some big hitters coming with Mario Kart, Smash, Zelda, Bayonetta 2. Vita will have Borderlands 2 and indies I guess? Sony should try to show off the off tv features with the PS4 and Vita.
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I feel astonishingly confident they will not be showing Borderlands 2 at E3 unless they're announcing the remaining DLCs, as it's coming out over a month before that!
 
cw_sasuke said:
e3 or not WiiU will have MK and Smash this year, but yeah a Zelda unveiling at e3 could initiate some momentum. Vita will still be the portable hardware for western indie title and Japanese niche games. Doubt the e3 will have much influence on either systems success.
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Neither will be saved although The Vita is doing ok in Japan.
 
Beer Monkey said:
Given the killer library for Vita and what an amazing deal it is if you have Plus, I'd say there is literally nothing that can save Vita. And it's my favorite handheld of all time. But the market simply does not want it. Every single person with a PS3 and/or PS4 and Plus should want one. But they don't. The platform itself obviously does not appeal to a broad audience and I don't think any software can change that.
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The argument is whether it needs saving

Sony is poised to give it a second push but it clearly drives enough software sales to support it as a platform

I am consistently blown away at how much software is being brought over for the system lately.
 
Neither. Both are non-existent in the public eye and e3 isn't going to change that.

Nintendo is in a bit more of a desperate situation with the console so they will probably try a bit harder.
 
dmaul1114 said:
They're both sales failures, so neither will be saved.

Wii U has a better chance of getting some uptick in sales I guess, since Nintendo is still heavily investing in it with MK8, Smash Bros, Zelda U etc. where as I doubt we'll get any more major AAA games on Vita.

Vita will probably have more stuff to excite it's fans though since I'm sure there will be a lot of indie and niche Japanese stuff shown/announced.
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Freedom wars is as AAA as it gets.
 
Wynnebeck said:
Both systems suck and are dead as door nails. Let it go~
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What i thought of when i read this:

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Most likely WU. It seems like Sony's current strategy is generating Japanese support for Vita and Western support for PS4. So for the Vita TGS will probably be much bigger event than E3, just like it was last year.
 
Just the fact that Mario Kart and Smash are coming to the system will give it some visibility in the public sphere. Sony just doesn't have that luxury.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Vita was more or less completely ignored in favor of PS4 at E3.

Whereas with Nintendo, it'll be 50-50 Wii U/3DS, or probably even a heavier focus on Wii U. It's no discussion.



neither will be saved, though...
 
Vita needs gta or something big . It needs a phone version or something too . Maybe fallout 1&2 hd or fallout 1&2 with fallout 3s engine by some other studio .

Wii u... Nintendo needs to acquire somebody big. Like capcom or namco
 
AzaK said:
People keep saying Zelda at E3 but have Nintendo ever said that?
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Yes, they've stated that not only will we get more info on the new Zelda at this years E3 (through an Anouma interview), but that they've considered showing it twice already. That kind of indicates to me that the game is probably getting pretty far along in development at this point. Plus I'm not really sure what else Nintendo could show, as most of their Wii U projects have probably been either moved to the next console, 3DS, or cancelled altogether.
 
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