SquiddyCracker
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Which Console is "Saved" More at E3: Vita or WiiU?
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Fine, 11k.
Did you seriously compare NSMB and DKC: TF to Mario Kart and Smash? NSMB Wii and DKCR both sold gangbusters because they were the first 2D entries in their respective series in a very long time. (Yes NSMB DS was first but whatever). Combine that with the fact that there was a massive install base and the fact that 2D platforming hadn't had it's renaissance yet and of course they sold crazily well.
NSMBU and DKC: TF, while both being better than their predecessors, came out when there was a glut of 2D platformers on a dying platform. And NSMBU still sold well. I feel that DK will survive for a little bit too and cap out at a million as an evergreen.
Smash Bros and Mario Kart are the only games in their genre, and they have a devoted fan base. Will they save the Wii U and launch it to success? No, but they will cause a much bigger impact than NSMBU and Donkey Kong. There will be an uptick in sales in May and June for MK8, then things will probably die down again. Then this holiday, with Smash and a probable MK8 bundle and possible pricecut to $250, there will be some consoles sold.
Slightly off topic but that comment really pissed me off. Anyway, neither will be saved, but Wii U will be better off. The Wii U will be kept on life support by Nintendo and get a small bump until it can get fazed out. The Vita seems to be willing itself to stay alive despite Sony, not because of it
Eh, probably closer to 150k.
Let's not forget, it's the Japanese platform of choice!*
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last week.
Acquiescence
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The US is the most relevant to this thread though, considering it's about E3. Vita will likely have its time in the sun at TGS this year, now that it's actually doing well in Japan and its prospects over there are improving.
vagabondarts
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say PS Vita, because of Playstation Now launching.
There, I said it.
There, I said it.
DrROBschiz
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Vita already has a huge year lined up without E3 as it is
So yeah itll get a bit of time during E3 (likely showing the new bundle and some software sizzle reels) and then its all PS4
The ramifications of E3 announcements are global. The fact is that the statement 'the Vita sells 10k a month' is false.
The Vita is the best selling platform in Japan.
I'm sure Xbox 360 is if we narrow down the time frame enough (to seconds with 360 and to weeks with Vita I guess).
DrROBschiz
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Cheap Memory would do it wonders
At least you get a decent deal with the Borderlands Bundle
Will certainly move some Vitas
As for the 40 Dollar games. They are usually only the larger Japanese localizations and Vita games go on sale Constantly. Seriously PSN rivals Steam nowadays.
There's no saving the vita, that much was clear a while ago. The best we can hope is that as many good indie games be ported to it along with PS4 as possible.
Nintendo's push for the WiiU should be more exciting to watch, and there might be a chance for them to position it as the cheap family device if they announce software that's compellling beyond the already invested fanbase. I do hope they have a strong showing, despite my anger for some of their policies, because they do publish interesting games that wouldn't have their place anywhere else on a fairly regular basis.
Nintendo's push for the WiiU should be more exciting to watch, and there might be a chance for them to position it as the cheap family device if they announce software that's compellling beyond the already invested fanbase. I do hope they have a strong showing, despite my anger for some of their policies, because they do publish interesting games that wouldn't have their place anywhere else on a fairly regular basis.
*In one tracker (Media Create).
Ruud_Luiten
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WiiU is selling bad all over the globe, Vita too, but it sells quite good in Japan.
By example:
At this moment Vita selling at 120.000 per month and WiiU is at 40.000 max. in Japan.
ArtHands
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Topic title says E3, not TGS.
I figure we're selecting time frames that suit our views.
It is odd to say '10k a month' as if it's some sort of ongoing average, wouldn't you agree?
Are we really being this daft? Are you honestly suggesting that E3 is only relevant to the American market? Really?
Edit: to be clear, I think the Wii U will have a bigger E3 than the Vita. I just find the misrepresentation of the Vita's position in this thread to be a little bizarre. It's in a pile of shit, you don't need to exaggerate about how large that pile is.
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Deleted member 752119
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They really should have just built in 16gb of memory (or included a card) into the Slim Vita. Still have the card slot for people who need more. But just having it $200 (or less) with 16gb of memory on board would be enticing to most people. And make sense given the big shift to game purchases largely being digital indies and Japanese niche titles.
Isn't this a topic about E3 presence and not about software and support? Even though the Vita is still getting software, sadly it has barely been a topic for Sony at the past 2 E3 events. I see nothing really changing this year, even with Japan Studios game announcements. Heck they probably announced the games early just so they didn't have to worry about it at the E3 presser to dedicate more time to the PS4. The Vita doesn't need to be saved anymore either, just like others have said earlier the Vita has a pretty loyal fanbase that tends to pick up quite a bit of games, but sadly that base is small since much of what is released is niche JP games so it won't get the hardware sales that we think it deserves. I love my Vita since it gives me portable access to classics like Muramasa, Danganronpa, P4G and Wipeout, but it's silly to think it'll have any presence at E3 considering how Sony has treated it in the past, especially SCEA.
The Wii U on the other hand will have quite a bit of E3 dedicated to it as we will hopefully see some new Zelda, Smash, Bayo2 and X, maybe with some surprise announcements. I really want the Wii U to have a good presence at E3 this year and hopefully boost some sales as the system really deserves it. Nintendo is really trying even with the lack of third parties and the system already has great classics like Wonderful 101, Mario 3D World, Zombiu, and DK:TF and would like to see more support for the system.
But I don't see either system as truly being dead yet, even though the Vita's hardware sales might be shot, it still has the fanbase that tends to buy alot of games, so we may still see much game support for the system, although most of that won't really be from Sony. Plus with Vita gaining tread in Japan we will hopefully start seeing more games we can hope for localization of
. Wii U is still to early to call and it's not like Nintendo is giving the system the cold shoulder and not even supporting it. Im pretty sure Nintendo isn't gonna come out on E3 and talk just about the 3DS, so I'm sure the Wii U isn't dead yet.This whole thread is odd to say at least.
Ruud_Luiten
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DreamCast and GameCube both won E3's! So..... nope is the best awnser. Also did a console or handheld ever got support back from lost developers and publishers during their active live?
DrROBschiz
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Isn't this a topic about E3 presence and not about software and support? Even though the Vita is still getting software, sadly it has barely been a topic for Sony at the past 2 E3 events. I see nothing really changing this year, even with Japan Studios game announcements. Heck they probably announced the games early just so they didn't have to worry about it at the E3 presser to dedicate more time to the PS4. The Vita doesn't need to be saved anymore either, just like others have said earlier the Vita has a pretty loyal fanbase that tends to pick up quite a bit of games, but sadly that base is small since much of what is released is niche JP games so it won't get the hardware sales that we think it deserves. I love my Vita since it gives me portable access to classics like Muramasa, Danganronpa, P4G and Wipeout, but it's silly to think it'll have any presence at E3 considering how Sony has treated it in the past, especially SCEA.
The Wii U on the other hand will have quite a bit of E3 dedicated to it as we will hopefully see some new Zelda, Smash, Bayo2 and X, maybe with some surprise announcements. I really want the Wii U to have a good presence at E3 this year and hopefully boost some sales as the system really deserves it. Nintendo is really trying even with the lack of third parties and the system already has great classics like Wonderful 101, Mario 3D World, Zombiu, and DK:TF and would like to see more support for the system.
But I don't see either system as truly being dead yet, even though the Vita's hardware sales might be shot, it still has the fanbase that tends to buy alot of games, so we may still see much game support for the system, although most of that won't really be from Sony. Plus with Vita gaining tread in Japan we will hopefully start seeing more games we can hope for localization of
Well I agree that WiiU will get more attention at E3.
But only out of absolute necessity on Nintendo's part
The Vita will get its moment and sit pretty on top of all the software it has coming.
Fair point.
Acquiescence
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True, but E3 will always be an event slanted more toward American audiences, due to where it's held, and hence why the Vita gets stonewalled every conference in that region where it sells so poorly. Not that the Vita is a runaway success in Europe, but there's definitely more of a following for it, and that shows during Gamescom where it tends to get more time and better representation.
Phoenician_Viking
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NSMB sells twice as much as Smash and DKCR sells almost as much as Smash or at least did on the Wii. Mario Kart 7 sold less than SM3DW on the 3DS.
Mario kart is not the only kart game, and Smash is not the only fighting game.
250$ and a bundle? Nintendo already loses money on every WiiU sold. There's no wiggle room at all. The vita is selling more in Japan than the WiiU selling in the US in Japan combined on a monthly bases. Vita has plenty of software coming, and Sony has not even dropped the price of the cheaper to manufacture Vita 2000.
ArtHands
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It is indeed only relevant to the American market.
at e3, for the vita to get any kind of buzz they need to announce the different color variants of the vita slim outside of japan, then announce other good looking games for it, a price drop on the vita cards and if absolutely needed a small one on the vita itself
aftre that a small ad campaign showing the advantages of ps+ on vita, with the free games, retrocompatibility with psps, ps1 games as well as the indie games wouldnt hurt
aftre that a small ad campaign showing the advantages of ps+ on vita, with the free games, retrocompatibility with psps, ps1 games as well as the indie games wouldnt hurt
DrROBschiz
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Its making money selling software
Isn't that what investors care about? If the returns weren't there the software would dry up.
Not seeing that happening at all.
You literally ignored my post. I pointed out why NSMB and DKCR did so well on the Wii and not so well on the Wii U. One had 100 Mil install base with this being the first entry in the respective series in over a decade. The other is a badly selling platform with not only tons of 1st party platformers, but platformers gushing out from indies.
And Smash is the only fighting game in it's sub-genre. The only comparison is to PSASBR, and we saw how that turned out. You can't compare smash to Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Soul Calibur or any of those games. Mostly because it plays completely differently, and also because most of those series aren't releasing on the Wii U anyway. And the only competition Mario Kart has is Sonic All-Stars, which already released. Your comparison remains invalid
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kittens
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Why? I can have fun with something even if it's not a commercial success, lol. I'm not trying to be a market analyst, I'm just trying to have fun playing video games.
Anyways, yeah, I imagine Nintendo will show some cool stuff at E3. Zelda alone is enough to get me hyped, and who knows what else they might have.
I hate hoe both Vita and Wii U are barely hanging on. I own and love both and it saddens me that they're on lifesupport.
While Vita may be stronger in Japan, it has gained no momentum in the west. It is basically just waiting for death :/
Wii U sti has those great Nintendo games ahead and if any of these toe will be saved, I think it's gonna be Wii U. I wish both of them would sell amazingly well!
While Vita may be stronger in Japan, it has gained no momentum in the west. It is basically just waiting for death :/
Wii U sti has those great Nintendo games ahead and if any of these toe will be saved, I think it's gonna be Wii U. I wish both of them would sell amazingly well!
Sweet Ivy
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Seriously, I'm not sure people realize the amount of awesomeness the little PS has!
That's fine, but if this thread is speaking specifically about the American market, it ought to have been made clearer. Just mentioning E3 doesn't make that obvious.
Sure, that's why they flash up prices in pounds and euros when they announce consoles. That's why the gaming press outside of the US ignore the show and the games announced at E3 don't go on sale in other markets so they don't affect prospects for platforms. Of course.
chrominance
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Are you kidding me? Wii U. At least one large company still cares about the Wii U in the States, and that company is called Nintendo. Zero large companies care about the Vita in the States, and the small ones who do (Atlus, NISA, Aksys) don't really give a shit about E3.
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TangoAlphaLima
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The Wii U been $300 for a while, it's not unreasonable to think they could drop the MSRP to $250 at E3. Surely some parts of the Wii U have to be getting cheaper to manufacture, even if the gamepad continues to be costly.
And Holiday bundles are pretty common with all manufacturers. I can pretty much guarantee that Sony and Microsoft will have Holiday bundles in Fall 2014, Nintendo can't sit on the sidelines and not join in on that. I'd guess it won't be MK8, though, probably a digital download/pre-installed SM3DW.
ArtHands
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Any link which states they are making money?
While that is totally true for stuff you have now, if you would like wild and crazy things like games, system updates, apps or general support of any significant level in the future, you should hope it at least sells a little.
I have a Vita and kinda sorta want a WiiU but it is hard to muster the desire when you know you're getting maybe 1 or 2 games a year that you may want out of 3 or 4 noteworthy releases each (depending on taste).
DrROBschiz
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Sony cares
Thats why they have entire teams dedicated to loading up the system with awesome games.
Just because AAA devs are focusing on PS4 doesn't mean Vita isn't getting some amazing stuff.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-08-21-vita-makes-more-money-for-more-devs-says-sony
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2014...a_sales_increase_by_150_per_cent_year_on_year
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/10/sony-talks-ps-vita-reveals-new-statistics
This is a known quantity for awhile and the core reason why software keeps coming in droves to the platform
The owners buy CONSISTENTLY
Do we know how much money it's actually making?
I'm assuming it's not being sold at a loss at least. But I feel a lot more goes into the process than that. Like where resources are being sent. I'm not in the business so someone else would probably know.
But is making a profit always satisfactory? Especially when a company's product is making a lot less than its predecessor. I don't know the numbers, but I can't imagine profits are close to acceptable with low hardware sales and no 1st party cuts of the software sales.
Nikodemos
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Sony need to announce a permanent 50% price slash on memory cards, along with the 64 GB in universal availability if they want to be even in the same time zone as 'saving' the Vita.
Nintendo need to... ehh. Maybe finally demo that Dungeon Master-style local multiplayer people have been talking for over a year?
Nintendo need to... ehh. Maybe finally demo that Dungeon Master-style local multiplayer people have been talking for over a year?
Natureboy99
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Vita seems OK to me. It was the #1 platform in Japan last month. I think Japanese devs will note that and start more Vita projects. Plus Vita will benefit from continued PS4 synergy.
WiiU has no such help. I think this E3 Nintendo better show up with Zelda and one more big one, or else they can forget WiiU having lasting success. If they do another direct, they can forget WiiU. You HAVE to be there at E3 if you want gamers respect. Doing a direct screams 'we can't stand toe to toe with the competition.'
WiiU has no such help. I think this E3 Nintendo better show up with Zelda and one more big one, or else they can forget WiiU having lasting success. If they do another direct, they can forget WiiU. You HAVE to be there at E3 if you want gamers respect. Doing a direct screams 'we can't stand toe to toe with the competition.'
The 10k was almost certainly an anomaly, but let's not pretend it's going to leap to 50k a month once the 2000 launches. America doesn't want the Vita.
chrominance
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You're RIGHT, that's why there's practically no promotion in the States, why Sony hasn't bothered to try cutting the price of Tearaway like they did in the UK or advertise it to anyone, why they couldn't be arsed to even give a release date for the Borderlands 2 bundle for months, why there's nothing announced beyond Borderlands 2 except indie games (which arguably isn't even SCEA, if Shahid takes all the credit for that stuff it's SCEE no?).
Yup, SCEA totally gives a shit about the Vita, and that's why in all of March it sold LESS THAN HALF of what it sells in Japan in one week. I'm still glad I have a Vita because it hits that niche JRPG sweet spot I was hoping for, but eventually there may come a time when even Atlus and NISA decide the market in North America is too small to bother localizing anything anymore, and then the Vita will be dead to me. 2015, 2016 at the latest is when I expect this to happen.
I know, it will most certainly be low, but not that low.
chrominance
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I mean, seriously, Tearaway sold seven thousand copies in its launch month and SCEA was like "okay, cool." You tell me how that's not basically sending that game--one of only two bright spots in the Vita's HOLIDAY SCHEDULE--to die.
TechnicDownfall512
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Not even FFVII will save the vita my friend.