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Which Metal Gear plot point/twist is the most ludicrous?
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akidnamededdy
Banned
I think in Rising they talk about how they don't really know what experiments the Patriots did on Sunny while they had her and that was probably why she was a super genius. I felt bad because Rising is a great game and it shouldn't have to try to account for MGS4's shortcomings.
Either in the database somewhere or in Big Boss's long-winded speech at the end.
how have I never seen this before? Brilliant.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Where can I find the most concise and easy to understand summary of the series' plots?
I've played all the games bar Peace Walker and thought I understood the story, but some posts in here make me doubt that.
I've played all the games bar Peace Walker and thought I understood the story, but some posts in here make me doubt that.
ffejeromdiks
Banned
You guys make it sound like Snake was lowly and depressed enough to be driven to suicide when in the context of the story its more like "If I dont kill myself, I'll become a walking biological weapon and kill everyone that comes in contact with me" he was doing the right thing given all the information he (and the player) had up to that point.
...of course all of that is undermined because Big Boss shows up just in time to say "HAI SON!, NAOMI ACTUALLY CURED YOU ALREADY, NO BIG DEAL, OH YEAH I'M ALIVE TOO, OH WAIT I'M DEAD"
Ghost is Bad
Banned
el liquid ocelot.
That Johnny started out as the character who routinely shat himself.
The fact that Johnny proposes while they are in the middle of a firefight.
While they are reloading each others guns.
And Meryl is like "No, I'm not marrying you! YOU have to marry ME!"
The fact that Johnny proposes while they are in the middle of a firefight.
While they are reloading each others guns.
And Meryl is like "No, I'm not marrying you! YOU have to marry ME!"
Seriously. That was the dumbest scene I have ever seen in a video game. Absolutely nothing comes close.
EekumBokum
Member
Liquid's arm controlling Ocelot in 2 and 4 is so goddamned stupid. If it wasn't for the great gameplay, I'd be staying far away from this series. 3 is good all around though.
WrenchNinja
Member
Naomi didn't. The Patriots did. The Patriots made Drebin inject him, the new FOXDIE got rid of the old one.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
Yeah, for some reason a lot of people seem to forget that was the main reason Snake was gonna kill himself in the first place. His "final mission" as he called it. Maybe it's because that whole bio-weapon subplot was treated like a total afterthought. The threat essentially resolves itself offscreen.
Naomi had eventually discovered this development though. It gets pretty dumb when you realize she was long dead before Big Boss even woke up. So she chose a then comatose, Frankensteined Big Boss to deliver this vital information to Snake after the fact because... she's pretty much the worst.
akachan ningen
Member
Everything about MGS4's plot was ludicrous. Listening to Ryan Payton was the worst mistake Kojima ever made.
biggersmaller
Banned
Where to start? Honestly, MGS had such an impact on me that I stuck with a series so ridiculous - I came to embrace the insanity. Sadly, no other AAA game series pushes forward such an ambition singular vision.
I laughed so hard once the credits rolled.
I laughed so hard once the credits rolled.
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Xpike
Unconfirmed Member
why would liquid say anything about his sunglasses when revealing he was miller, how can snake even see his portrait
kojima is a hack
kojima is a hack
shocky2002
Neo Member
If Kojipro hadn't been such pussies we would've gotten the ending where Otacon and Snake are executed with "Here's to you" playing in the background. No Big Boss showing up to kill a 100 year old man and then to die himself in 5 minutes. No MGS3 entire cast made up the Patriots bullshit.
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Xpike
Unconfirmed Member
sorry to break this to you, but the Patriots being the MGS3 cast is not part of the MGS4 ending and wouldn't had been changed.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Because in MGS2 things were meant to be a mystery and not just stupid nano-machine answers to explain away interesting stuff.
silvermember
Banned
If guys like the sorrow exist, what makes you think that deflecting missiles will be beyond the game.
funkystudent
Member
The patriots = the support team from MGS3 is still super dumb.
I hope TPP does something with that. Peace walker didn't really touch it outside of one or two codec conversations.
I hope TPP does something with that. Peace walker didn't really touch it outside of one or two codec conversations.
Banana Aeon
Member
MGS4 makes me angrier than any game ever. Like fuck.
But PW is disgusting in how stupid it is.
But PW is disgusting in how stupid it is.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
guys pls
Unaha-Closp
Member
the part where Johnny goes to grope Mei Ling's ass out of nowhere and Meryl doesn't punch him. WTF?
funkystudent
Member
GZ has some pretty screwed up stuff if you listen to the tapes.
If TPP has more stuff on that level its going to be pretty fun seeing people react to it because boy..... Ground zeros tapes have some messed up stuff on there.
Laws00
Member
that shit
Gun Animal
Member
MGS4 really is otaku-bait anime trash and a lot of things in it only make sense within that context.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
The arm thing makes more sense if you subscribe to the theory
No, the dumbest thing in the series is this.
I don't know if these moments were amazing or really dumb or both:
that it was actually Liquid in MGS2.
I mean, it HAD to be, you can't retcon away fucking veins randomly popping up all over his arm only when he's possessed and his entire demeanor and even hairstyle changing. He grabs his arm, spasms, and moans a ghostly wail when it happens. Come on. Then again, even without all that I'd still uphold that theory, simply because it makes him chopping off the arm and taking on a Liquid persona make sense. If The Patriots already knew he was possessed, he might as well ride that train and use it to his advantage.
I mean, it HAD to be, you can't retcon away fucking veins randomly popping up all over his arm only when he's possessed and his entire demeanor and even hairstyle changing. He grabs his arm, spasms, and moans a ghostly wail when it happens. Come on. Then again, even without all that I'd still uphold that theory, simply because it makes him chopping off the arm and taking on a Liquid persona make sense. If The Patriots already knew he was possessed, he might as well ride that train and use it to his advantage.
No, the dumbest thing in the series is this.
I don't know if these moments were amazing or really dumb or both:
Naomi tells Snake that he's a walking biological time bomb about to destroy the entire human race. But she realizes later that she's wrong and he'll be fine. She doesn't want him to kill himself. How does she solve this problem? Not by telling him, that's for sure. Instead she kills herself to atone for her horrifying sin of curing cancer. She also records a message for Snake to see after the FOXALIVE virus is uploaded that does not include this information. Then she makes plans to revive Big Boss, who has been kept alive in a coma for over a decade because reasons.
As a man of action, Big Boss knows what to do to make sure Snake lives. He has to go get The Boss's Patriot gun. He also has to go fetch Zero from whatever old age home he's being kept in. He has to take his gun and Zero to a graveyard just in time to stop Snake and deliver the good news. Then he kills an old man on life support in the late stages of dementia before Snake's eyes for entirely symbolic reasons. Finally, Big Boss dies from the FOXDIE virus that he knew Snake had, which the Patriots had implanted in Snake to kill Big Boss. Because the revival of Big Boss was apparently something they had predicted.
I feel like there must have been a better way convey this message.
As a man of action, Big Boss knows what to do to make sure Snake lives. He has to go get The Boss's Patriot gun. He also has to go fetch Zero from whatever old age home he's being kept in. He has to take his gun and Zero to a graveyard just in time to stop Snake and deliver the good news. Then he kills an old man on life support in the late stages of dementia before Snake's eyes for entirely symbolic reasons. Finally, Big Boss dies from the FOXDIE virus that he knew Snake had, which the Patriots had implanted in Snake to kill Big Boss. Because the revival of Big Boss was apparently something they had predicted.
I feel like there must have been a better way convey this message.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Sokolov
Describe the things that Ocelot could do because the Patriot AI thought he was possessed by the ghost of the recessive gene clone of Big Boss, which he could not have done if they believed he was just Revolver Ocelot.
Gnome Scat
Member
The whole Ocelot
/Liquid's arm thing...
Tbh, that's pretty much all Metal Gear. Guns of the Patriots is a little more excessive than its predecessors, especially in light of MGS3, but not much.
IdreamofHIME
Member
The Arm not being Liquid is so strange, when it felt like MGS3 went out of it's way to spell out that Ocelots daddy could communicate with the dead and use them as weapons.
Yeah seriously. Sorrow is a fucking ghost. Realism is not something the MGS series is familiar with. Always cracks me up when people point out small inconsistencies without considering the huge amount of crazy shit in the games.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Oh my God I forgot about this. It's the most convoluted unnecessary explanation for Gray Fox's real name ever. What, you thought "Frank Jaeger" was a name that he was born with or chose/was given because he was a special agent or something? No, it has a meaning
So, are you guys ready for this
So Gray Fox wasn't, as per MG2, a half-Vietnamese, half-white child born of the Vietnam War. No, he was a pale white-haired white boy living in Mozambique during its civil war, and MGS4 is coming out so we need to play up the Raiden/Gray Fox parallels for some reason. It's like poetry, every stanza rhymes with the last one.
Anyway, the boy would pretend to be a helpless child, but then he'd stab the soldiers to death when they let their guard down (you'd think that after, like, the first time, an albino white child asking for help wouldn't work as a surprise tactic). Now, enemy soldiers decided that since he was frank like a child when he deceived them, and he hunted them, they'd call him the Frank Hunter, though "frank" means honesty and he was explicitly deceiving them so I don't????? Anyway, these Mozambican soldiers, upon creating this pun that works only in English (the official language of Mozambique is Portuguese), then decided that because this boy also spoke "a little German" (why was he speaking German????) that they'd use the German word for hunter which is jaeger so they called him............... THE FRANK JAEGER
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christ
Holy shit.
Also, you can count me among the people who somehow managed to completely erase Mount Snakemore from our memory. What was the context for that? Why does it exist?
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
Lol this one
CloudyTuba
Member
Adding another vote for Liquid Ocelet. Just, the Ocelet character is insane in these games but that was the highest point of his character insanity.
By that point isnt he a triple or quadruple agent who has been just making up shit for years?
And I think the details of his arm are still a little fuzzy. Some people say he was pretending/hypnotized the whole time. Some people say he was indeed possessed at first, got rid of the arm to knock that shit off, then got a new arm and kept pretending.
Oh yeah I think everybody groaned a little about that.
The reason why metal gear becomes so interesting is because kojima just goes for it with no regard for sanity. This leads to instances of both crazy genius plots and total stupidity. He doesnt have a filter but luckily for us it still works out most of the time. Unlike George Lucas who is similarly a great crazy idea man but badly needs a filter or else you get things like the prequels. Maybe if Kojima switched media and actually tried a movie it would turn out the same as George, for better or worse.
By that point isnt he a triple or quadruple agent who has been just making up shit for years?
And I think the details of his arm are still a little fuzzy. Some people say he was pretending/hypnotized the whole time. Some people say he was indeed possessed at first, got rid of the arm to knock that shit off, then got a new arm and kept pretending.
Oh yeah I think everybody groaned a little about that.
The reason why metal gear becomes so interesting is because kojima just goes for it with no regard for sanity. This leads to instances of both crazy genius plots and total stupidity. He doesnt have a filter but luckily for us it still works out most of the time. Unlike George Lucas who is similarly a great crazy idea man but badly needs a filter or else you get things like the prequels. Maybe if Kojima switched media and actually tried a movie it would turn out the same as George, for better or worse.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Every time I think about finally tracking down Portable Ops and playing it (it's the only (barely) canon game I haven't played) I hear some shit like this and I'm glad Kojima left all its plot points buried where they belong.
To be honest, I went on complete auto-pilot in Portable Ops the moment that Snake had to fight Pinhead from Hellraiser with ice powers and it was revealed that the main villain's super power was literally having Steve Blum/Norio Wakamoto as a voice.