Liamario
Banned
I've played every game of the main series and enjoyed them all. The stories do get very convoluted and the cutscenes very excessive. I'm telling you this, because I was totally unaware of this fact until reading your post.
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Which Metal Gear plot point/twist is the most ludicrous?
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You know, I have to wonder what kind of crazy I am considering that, after years of playing and replaying these games, I can follow the story pretty much perfectly. Like I'll admit some of the plot stuff is fucking ridiculous, but at no point I ever felt a "Ok no fuck you" kind of moment with the plot or its twists.
Then again I can also follow the Kingdom Hearts plot near perfectly too.
I just revel in the ridiculousness of it all.
"That's fucking ridiculous. Tell me more"
Then again I can also follow the Kingdom Hearts plot near perfectly too.
I just revel in the ridiculousness of it all.
"That's fucking ridiculous. Tell me more"
Nightengale
Member
Always disappointed with people wanting Snake to kill himself at the end of MGS4. Did they not play MGS1? That ending would be ruined if the epilogue was "Snake went on and lived a couple more adventures, and then decided to commit suicide".
It's good the team convinced Kojima that it was a dumb ending.
It's good the team convinced Kojima that it was a dumb ending.
The entire AI thing towards the end of MGS2 is probably the craziest twist in the series to me.
I don't think he faked it in MGS2, he faked it in MGS4. The Liquid arm was replaced as he has a completely different arm in MGS4, a cybernetic one which we see at the end of the game and also in MGO2.
I don't think he faked it in MGS2, he faked it in MGS4. The Liquid arm was replaced as he has a completely different arm in MGS4, a cybernetic one which we see at the end of the game and also in MGO2.
The plot twists never felt that bad or out of place in that universe... I guess a few of the retcons are pretty bad.
I guess it´s the ¨Hah, I wasn´t possessed anyway¨ is pretty bad.
I kind of want to replay MGS4 for the story, and I tried, recently, but it felt real off after having played Ground Zeroes. It felt slow and... bad.
I guess it´s the ¨Hah, I wasn´t possessed anyway¨ is pretty bad.
I kind of want to replay MGS4 for the story, and I tried, recently, but it felt real off after having played Ground Zeroes. It felt slow and... bad.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Was it ever explained why the fuck Ocelot got Liqud's arm attached to him in the first place?
I like MGS' batshit insanity, I unironically believe MGS2 was deep and intelligent, but between Ocelot not really being possessed, the MGS3 support team just casually revealed to be evil psychopaths responsible for the entire conflict of the series, and basically everything about Naomi, MGS4 was a giant clusterfuck.
Like, wouldn't it have been so much better if Ocelot had ascended to main villain status to make Big Boss' dream of a world of soldiers a reality? He stands against the Patriots' attempts to control everything by throwing the world into chaos, a world of constant conflict that Big Boss always wanted. The final fistfight suddenly becomes Snake's last stand against the one guy who's about to fuck everything up now that the Patriots are gone.
Maybe it wouldn't have fixed everything but at least it'd be more coherent.
Like, wouldn't it have been so much better if Ocelot had ascended to main villain status to make Big Boss' dream of a world of soldiers a reality? He stands against the Patriots' attempts to control everything by throwing the world into chaos, a world of constant conflict that Big Boss always wanted. The final fistfight suddenly becomes Snake's last stand against the one guy who's about to fuck everything up now that the Patriots are gone.
Maybe it wouldn't have fixed everything but at least it'd be more coherent.
He wanted an arm and that was available and fresher than the arm that Grey Fox cut.
It's actually explained in a scene in The Phantom Pain.
Eli: "So what's with the robot arm? Even that Miller guy chooses not to look so silly. 'Come on Boss, don't you have a spare, I lost an arm too'"
*Ocelot starts laughing*
Ocelot: "Where did you get that arm from anyway?"
Big Boss: "This relic? We have our old Soviet friend Zadornov to thank for that"
Ocelot: "Well, you sure as hell won't ever catch me with one. You need a real arm to use a revolver. What say I take yours, Eli, if I ever lose mine?"
Eli: "Hey!"
*Ocelot and Big Boss laugh*
It'll never be explained
Snake killing himself would not be a good ending.
Bringing back big boss from the dead, however, was worse.
Damn.
i've played all the MGS games .. they are all silly and full of ridiculous shit and it's probably my favorite videogame series ever. however: with all of the crazy twists, all of the absurdity (which to be honest has sort of gotten blurry and mushy in my brain BECAUSE it is so absurd), when i look back at metal gear as a whole and think about the most absurd thing Fatman is what comes to mind. None of the out-there sci-fi stuff, just the FAT MAN ON ROLLERBLADES. i know there are way more egregious things in there but the rollerblades are what still gets me.
fucking rollerblades.
i remember playing MGS2 in my friends basement the week it came out. it was disappointing enough that we were playing as some girlyboy in a ninja suit who wasn't Snake. and then ... fat rollerblade boss? we were like "this game is dumb. it got too dumb. wtf".
we finished and loved it of course.
fucking rollerblades.
i remember playing MGS2 in my friends basement the week it came out. it was disappointing enough that we were playing as some girlyboy in a ninja suit who wasn't Snake. and then ... fat rollerblade boss? we were like "this game is dumb. it got too dumb. wtf".
we finished and loved it of course.
Hero Prinny
Member
Idc what kojima says,Is it okay if I say most of MGS2 and 4? No? Okay
Ocelot hypnotizing himself was pretty dumb
liquid took over Ocelot, its bat shit insane but cool as fuck.
I thought the story was that it really was liquid possessing him in MGS2, so ocelot cut the arm off and got the cyber one, but continued acting like he was liquid.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Doubtful. He didn't take it right away...didn't Solidus help him retrieve Liquid's body from some research center in France or something? I vaguely remember something along those lines.
CambriaRising
Member
Snake becoming a
biological weapon tops everything.
Glendemonium
Member
Is it okay if I say most of MGS2 and 4? No? Okay
Ocelot hypnotizing himself was pretty dumb
Was going to say this too. Also...
Rose in MGS2. All I wanted to do was save my game, but NO! I have to sit there and hear you badger your boyfriend about your relationship during a high stakes mission.
MiamiWesker
Member
Ocelot in MGS4. I felt the story was amazing, then the post credits scene happened and erased all the goodness of the story.
The end of MGS2 as for good twist with everything being in Raiden's mind and all.
The shitty one gotta be Ocelot from mgs4, all of mgs4 cut short on a lot of unanswered questions (Vlad's immortality , Liquid controlling ocelot, Naomi etc) , maybe it was Kojima's way to protest against the one that forced him making that game, we will never know
The shitty one gotta be Ocelot from mgs4, all of mgs4 cut short on a lot of unanswered questions (Vlad's immortality , Liquid controlling ocelot, Naomi etc) , maybe it was Kojima's way to protest against the one that forced him making that game, we will never know
dodosaurus
Member
reading this tread makes me confused as to why i like this series,worst thing isn't a really a plot point but i just hate every ottacon love story or love life history. it was decent with sniper wolf because he had Stockholm syndrome but it got annoying when he cried after the boss fight. the whole mom/ee thing was just dumb and unnecessary and him and naomi in mgs4 was just terrible.
. Liquid Ocelot, of course. I also cringed at the whole Colonel being an AI and MGS2 was a recreation of Shadow Moses. Mount Patriotmore might have been the most cringeworthy though.
Gun Animal
Member
This is absolutely terrifying to read because of how plausible it is. If anything like this ends up in the final game, I'll know for sure I'm living in a bad future.
AgentOtaku
Member
Yeah, definitely this one. They were trying way too hard to tie everyone and everything into the conspiracy reveal at the end of 4. It was just "Remember all these bit-part, generally pretty friendly team members in that one game? Turns out they all became crazy evil and are the masterminds behind all this shit," without the least bit of build-up or indication of any of these heel-turns.
matrix-cat
Member
You guys. Frank Jaeger. The frank hunter.
Portable Ops, you guys.
Portable Ops, you guys.
Snatch1414
Banned
I've only played a couple but I've read the synopsis of the whole series (or at least tried to).
For me the answer is pretty much anything where someone turned out to be a double agent the entire time. I know so many people love Kojima but that is a huge crutch/cop out that he relies on constantly in this series. They're always ridiculous and a two year old could think back to a bunch of moments where it wouldn't make sense at all.
For me the answer is pretty much anything where someone turned out to be a double agent the entire time. I know so many people love Kojima but that is a huge crutch/cop out that he relies on constantly in this series. They're always ridiculous and a two year old could think back to a bunch of moments where it wouldn't make sense at all.
Damerman
Member
Now that i think about it, this is pretty fucking ridiculous.
LordBaztion
Member
Eva being a
There was no reason for that besides poor Big Boss, he's so sad.
chinesse agent
akidnamededdy
Banned
Solidus telling Raiden that he killed his parents right before they fought at the end of MGS2 was always kind of hilarious to me.
It's like...you're already gonna fight him for all this other terrible shit, what's even the point of throwing that in there? It's so over the top. It's like taking a dump on someone's pillow and right before they beat your ass for it you're all "Oh and by the way...I was the one who ate your last hot pocket!"
And Raiden's face when he says it...lol
It's like...you're already gonna fight him for all this other terrible shit, what's even the point of throwing that in there? It's so over the top. It's like taking a dump on someone's pillow and right before they beat your ass for it you're all "Oh and by the way...I was the one who ate your last hot pocket!"
And Raiden's face when he says it...lol
Snatch1414
Banned
The craziest plot point of this thread is some people saying things like "Nothing in the story every struck me as REALLY bad or nonsensical"
Pilgrimzero
Member
This is why I don't get the love for Kojima. He's game design is top notch. His story telling though is (mostly) ass.
MGS1 was tight though and 3 is really good (my fave) but even then it has some story dumbness.
MGS1 was tight though and 3 is really good (my fave) but even then it has some story dumbness.
akidnamededdy
Banned
I love the goofiness mixed in with the so srs drammas. Honestly. Al these years later there's not many gaming moments that get me as pumped up as the cutscene leading up to the final fight with Ocelot in MGS4.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Worst bit is probably the Ocelot / Liquid arm thing, it is pretty dumb really.
Best twist for me was in MGS 1
Best twist for me was in MGS 1
when Solid beats Liquid at the end and then we find out that Snake was actually the inferior Big Boss clone, even though we all think him to be the superior clone, having just beat Liquid.
Don't forget Hot Coldman, trying to make the Cold War hot, man.
Dragon1893
Member
At the very least they should've
removed the suicide scene entirely. It was completely out of character for himchicken out like that.
When I heard the shot I was actually impressed that Kojima went through with it. Then they give you a scene with Otacon getting all emotional when Sunny asks about Snake.
Then they're like "nope, didn't happen, now listen to Big Boss' BS for 30 minutes".
Snake killing himself would've made for a very powerful ending and spared us all the BS that happens afterwards.
When I heard the shot I was actually impressed that Kojima went through with it. Then they give you a scene with Otacon getting all emotional when Sunny asks about Snake.
Then they're like "nope, didn't happen, now listen to Big Boss' BS for 30 minutes".
Snake killing himself would've made for a very powerful ending and spared us all the BS that happens afterwards.
Indeed. MGS3 actually had a genuinely good story with the relation between Snake and The Boss at its center delivering some really powerful moments and a truly memorable ending sequence, but Kojima just couldn't leave well enough alone. What a bunch of BS that was.
Snatch1414
Banned
Yeah I think it has a certain charm and that's why it works for a lot of people. Myself I think it's about 3 notches too goofy. It could be a legitimately awesome political/military thriller the whole way through with some campiness thrown in, but the story is light years away from that.
funkystudent
Member
Not a twist but I growned hard at Fox Alive
LordBaztion
Member
Oh wait, I've just remembered that in MGS4
finished the world's biggest biological threat.
a 11 years old child