eyeball_kid
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Okay. Bought it on PSN. LOVIN' IT so far. Thank you GAF.
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Why isn't Suikoden 2 on PSN?
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Okay. Bought it on PSN. LOVIN' IT so far. Thank you GAF.
Hours Left
Member
Cool, you are very lucky to be experiencing it for the first time.
Then you can join the legion requesting Suikoden II.
rocketskates
Member
SO MUCH POTENTIAL.
But seriously, to think of all the different places the story could have gone and what nations/countries we could have visited....man.
We'll never find out the truth about Jeane either
Hours Left
Member
Suikoden will never die.SO MUCH POTENTIAL.
But seriously, to think of all the different places the story could have gone and what nations/countries we could have visited....man.
We'll never find out the truth about Jeane either
Leknaat is waiting to tell us another tale of fate vs. free will.
Well, when I said Sega used to be better about this I meant even further back, by the time Sakura Wars was picked up that was the exception rather than the norm. But they licensed out other games during their earlier years of being a third party, and while they were a first party did license out games, most of WD's Saturn games were Sega titles as I recall and pretty sure Popful Mail was Sega developed even if the IP's Falcom's.
LiquidSolid
Member
Oh ok, I didn't know you were going that far back.
Cool. Keep us updated with your impresions, like a LTTP thread.
sixteen-bit
Member
Why didn't the compilation of Suikoden 1 and 2 on PSP ever get localized? It's JPN-only, right?
Takamura-San
Member
This thread consist mainly of questions why, and besides Konami hating on Suikoden, we know no other answers.
Popful Mail is a Sega Falcom game but it was the only collaboration they ever had. As to working designs only 5 of their 29 games were sega developed. They were Magic Knight Rayearth, Sega Ages, Shining Wisdom, Dragon Force, and Popful Mail. So i don't think Sega was ever too friendly with letting other people handle their stuff.
The melody and lyrics are soooo touching, quite related to consequences of war, a central theme of the series.
Rambone
Member
Suikoden 1+2 IMO OST was spectacular, even the misc Suikoden CD's featuring enhanced music from the series were breathtaking. Suikoden 1+2 has to be up there in the Top 5 RPG sound tracks, at least in my mind. The music was one of the many highlights to those games that I sincerely enjoyed.
Rambone
Member
Apologizing for quoting myself here but for those that are interested in the various Suikoden music collections out there, here is an entire list of whats available. I've listened to them all and they will leave any Suikoden fan+music fan very very happy.
http://www.squareenixmusic.com/series/suikoden/discography.shtml
Takamura-San
Member
I still listen to Genso Suikoden Piano Collection ~Avertunerio Antes Lance Mao~ Piano collection to this day.
I would buy Suikoden 2 straight away if it ever went on PSN. I'd probably buy a Vita too if it was compatible so i'd be able to play it whenever I want.
I had the chance to buy Suikoden 2 a long time ago. I was in town shopping and went into a game shop. I had enough money to buy 1 game so I spent a while looking at them all. I saw Suikoden 2....but then I saw Vandal Hearts 2. I chose VH, as I had played the first game and loved it. Since I could only afford 1 game, I decided to go with the one I was already familiar with. Vandal Hearts 2 came with a demo of Suikoden 2 in the box. I played the demo and then whenever I went near a video game shop I always went in to see if I could find Suikoden. Never saw it again, but saw Vandal Hearts 2 on the shelves plenty of times. Kind of wish I could send a message to young me saying 'get Suikoden 2 now and Vandal Hearts next time...' ah well.
Maybe one day i'll get to play it!
I had the chance to buy Suikoden 2 a long time ago. I was in town shopping and went into a game shop. I had enough money to buy 1 game so I spent a while looking at them all. I saw Suikoden 2....but then I saw Vandal Hearts 2. I chose VH, as I had played the first game and loved it. Since I could only afford 1 game, I decided to go with the one I was already familiar with. Vandal Hearts 2 came with a demo of Suikoden 2 in the box. I played the demo and then whenever I went near a video game shop I always went in to see if I could find Suikoden. Never saw it again, but saw Vandal Hearts 2 on the shelves plenty of times. Kind of wish I could send a message to young me saying 'get Suikoden 2 now and Vandal Hearts next time...' ah well.
Maybe one day i'll get to play it!
Tiu Neo
Member
It's because Konami gets a lot of money printing and selling copies on ebay. That must be it.
I would donate all my money to that.
I would donate all my money to that.
Agree with that. Higashino music was superb and will always be attached to the brand.
outunderthestars
Banned
As one who has never played the series, is the first game good enough to warrant playing at this point?
Suikoden 1 is great and still an enjoyable experience. However it is a shorter game and involves a little bit of grinding. Also if you want to 100% it without replaying it you need to read a guide because some points require alot of grinding early on to meet specific scenarios.
outunderthestars
Banned
Cool. I loved the old Lunar games, and have been itching for an old school ps1 rpg that isn't Final Fantasy to play.
I am sure you will like it and the save transfers over if they ever release 2. However it is one of the most unbalanced games ever. There are 108 characters and some are just garbage. Also some runes are crazy overpowered and sadly you have to equip a specific rune to be able to run which is just silly.
djSyndrome
Member
Given that this is the same company that absolutely murdered Beatmania for US consumption (by removing everything that made IIDX great and introducing a bunch of garbage nobody wanted), one cannot be so sure!
I lucked into my copy of Suikoden II a few years ago, when someone traded it in to the Play N Trade in town. $80 in store credit and it was mine.
First thing I did was to convert the game to run on my PSP and that's how I play it (but that's how I play all of my PS1 games, either my PSP or my Vita for PSN released games).
The day I can play Suikoden II on my Vita (either by the system being hacked or legit) will be a great day.
First thing I did was to convert the game to run on my PSP and that's how I play it (but that's how I play all of my PS1 games, either my PSP or my Vita for PSN released games).
The day I can play Suikoden II on my Vita (either by the system being hacked or legit) will be a great day.
I don't remember any grinding moments on the first one. There are some missable stars, so a spoiler free guide would be recommended if you want to do only one run. The game is short, about 15~20 hours.
What I was mostly referring to was
Pahn surviving the fight with the main chars father which required quite a bit of early grinding for Pahn.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Do Americans and Europeans hold Suikoden in a higher regard than the Japanese? It just always seems like there's a crazy dedication to it here but I wonder how strong it is there. I heard I+II PSP sold like 5 digits.
Yeah, would love them both but at this point I doubt we'll get either.
Those blood fountains in Vandal Hearts were so good.
Wops, I forgot. Yes, if you don't use Pahn normally the combat is a pain in the ass (it is anyways xD).
Midnightshade
Banned
I don't understand why they don't release it as is? I played the ps1 version when it came out of sk2 (mad I sold it in 2001 errrr damn rent ) .
The fact that untranslated ps1 games from japan go on psn weekly makes it even worse. I can put up with a few misspellings or such, I won't buy a game not in my language and with no subtitles either.
I have been waiting for this and crisis core from se to release on psn for over 5 years now... My first post on neogaf, and a topic dear to my heart.
Yes. It's short, but it's still good. You really want to play it if you're going to play 2. The first two games are tied together a lot more than the rest of the series.
PixyJunket
Member
Konami has an excuse for Suikoden II, I'm sure it's sound too (re: bugs and localization errors).
But what excuse do they have for putting a hard brake on all TurboGrafx-16 Wii Virtual Console releases? 3DS VC releases? PSN releases?
But what excuse do they have for putting a hard brake on all TurboGrafx-16 Wii Virtual Console releases? 3DS VC releases? PSN releases?
IIRC aren't VC releases entirely at Nintendo's discretion? I could be wrong, but for some reason I thought that publishers basically just licensed the VC titles to Nintendo, and Nintendo made the calls on actually putting stuff out. Or that maybe was something early on that got changed.
PixyJunket
Member
I think Nintendo schedules release slots, but it's up to the individual publishers to step up to the plate and say "we want to release this."
Hudson was very aggressive in supported Virtual Console (and started on PSN right before.. "it" happened).
OmegaDL50
Member
Ah Suikoden, one of my most beloved RPG franchises of all time.
I had a basement flood due to poor weather and a large majority of my PSX and earlier game collection back in 2002 that was in storage in the basement no less was destroyed due to water related damage.
It was terrible. So terrible.
I would so love to play Suikoden 2 again.
I've took a look over a Ebay and noticed most Suikoden 1 copies are $35 to $40 which seems fair, I'd figure the existence of the digital PSN release curbs the price from getting too out of control.
And yet every single copy of Suikoden 2 is over $100, I wonder what a PSN re-release would do to the pricing of this physical copies, regardless of their collectors value.
I had a basement flood due to poor weather and a large majority of my PSX and earlier game collection back in 2002 that was in storage in the basement no less was destroyed due to water related damage.
It was terrible. So terrible.
I would so love to play Suikoden 2 again.
I've took a look over a Ebay and noticed most Suikoden 1 copies are $35 to $40 which seems fair, I'd figure the existence of the digital PSN release curbs the price from getting too out of control.
And yet every single copy of Suikoden 2 is over $100, I wonder what a PSN re-release would do to the pricing of this physical copies, regardless of their collectors value.
KevMan1815
Member
I read it is coming out shortly after Breath of Fire 3.
Manmademan
Member
Konami THEMSELVES lost or misplaced the (finished) source code to silent hill 2, which is half the reason why that port was as terrible as it was. I don't have a ton of faith that Suiko 2 is intact.
http://www.vg247.com/2012/05/28/silent-hill-hd-collection-ported-from-incomplete-code/
Now I'm worried for the code of Suikoden 3 xDDDDD
Manmademan
Member
Let's be honest here. If the source code for silent hill 2 and 3, which sold a bazillion more copies than all suikodens combined was "lost", you're pretty much out of luck hoping for suikoden.
Edit: the more I think about it, the more evidence there is that Konami is just incompetent here.
PixyJunket
Member
What's the story with that? Breath of Fire IV is up there.
And no, I don't think it's simply the coloring of one monster, regardless if it was changed for the PSP port.
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
I remember buying a used copy of Suikoden II about 8 years ago for 70 dollars. And I never regretted it. One of the best RPGs I have ever played and I would buy it in a second if it was available on PSN.
So many damn Japanese companies have seemingly done this that I'm singling none of them out for it. Better to find ones that actually were good with this stuff.
Though I think that matters more for a PSN release due to editting and that'd be a moot point if Sony doesn't allow that anyway. The game straight up, just get a loose copy and rip it. Not as if all those CFW people either stole/borrowed masters from companies or were wizards conjuring them up out of nowhere.
KevMan1815
Member
I'm having trouble finding my original source from awhile ago, so if this information is incorrect I apologize and I'm going off of memory (maybe someone who is better at the Internet than I knows where to find the facts). And this information I believe only applies to the US PSN, other countries probably vary.
What I had read was that when games are put on PSN they have to be evaluated to make sure they meet certain requirements. If they are PS1 games they must be submitted as is. When BoF3 was reviewed for PSN release it was deemed that it was deserving of a Mature rating as opposed to the Teen rating it had originally received. Supposedly, this is because of a scene or two featuring full rear nudity (been awhile since I've played it). So you'd think they bump up the rating, call it good and sell it right? Wrong. I guess part of the rules is they can't alter the rating or content. Oh, and according to what I had read you can only submit your game once, there's no second chances. I had read this awhile ago, maybe rules will change someday. Either way, here's hoping we see BoF3 on PSN someday.
Edit: I really wish I remember where I read what I posted above. A little more digging directed me to a forum post on Capcom's forums from Christian Svensson responding to someone asking why BoF3 wasn't released on PSN:
Source: http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_cap...96581/sven_bof_3_and_4_cleared_IP_or_not?pg=6
Tiu Neo
Member
Is there anyone from Sony, on twitter, that we can pester about PS1 and PS2 Classics releases? Like "Third party classic games public relationship person"?
There are so many good games that still don't have PS1 Classics versions. Suikoden II, BoF3, Megaman Legends 1 and 2, Tron Bonne, the PS2 Wild Arms (that were published by Sony!), Persona 4 (for the people who can't play Golden)...
They need to fix that.
There are so many good games that still don't have PS1 Classics versions. Suikoden II, BoF3, Megaman Legends 1 and 2, Tron Bonne, the PS2 Wild Arms (that were published by Sony!), Persona 4 (for the people who can't play Golden)...
They need to fix that.
Sorry to break y'all's hearts.
I'm the guy who struggled with two of my compatriots (Casey Loe and Jeremy Blaustein) to make some sense of the mess that was Suikoden II's scriptin the format Konami delivered it. I had already played the game for 90+ hours, and was confused.
We were delivered the script among code, with no indication as to who was speaking. Text was bunched together based on location. The solution? Play the game multiple times, searching as we did so for strings to gather context.
We did our best.
In any case, Murayama's departure from Konami was a grievous incident. We were actually provided with his personal cyclopedia and log of Genso Suikoden's world... it rivaled the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros and beyond in complexity.
But Murayama resigned from Konami. They tinkered aroundGSIV, distant prequel, GSV, distant (geographical) sequel, hoping he might come back.
He didn't.
Hence the DS and PSP games.
I'm the guy who struggled with two of my compatriots (Casey Loe and Jeremy Blaustein) to make some sense of the mess that was Suikoden II's scriptin the format Konami delivered it. I had already played the game for 90+ hours, and was confused.
We were delivered the script among code, with no indication as to who was speaking. Text was bunched together based on location. The solution? Play the game multiple times, searching as we did so for strings to gather context.
We did our best.
In any case, Murayama's departure from Konami was a grievous incident. We were actually provided with his personal cyclopedia and log of Genso Suikoden's world... it rivaled the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros and beyond in complexity.
But Murayama resigned from Konami. They tinkered aroundGSIV, distant prequel, GSV, distant (geographical) sequel, hoping he might come back.
He didn't.
Hence the DS and PSP games.