tkscz
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What about the SNES?
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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What about the SNES?
There's no simulation going on, DPL is true surround sound. The only difference between DPL and DD is the way audio is encoded. DD uses discrete digital channels, whereas DPL uses analog phase encoding. DPL has a lower dynamic range and suffers from cross talk, but it's still real six channel surround (well, DPL is technically five to eight channels, depending on the DPL version) - it's no "virtual" surround and it's not like the decoder is guessing what's what or anything.
nordique
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SNES was great on both ends
But the output part was done by Sony
(they've always been good with output)Though recently Nintendo has got back into the output part if you ask me. I like the sound output quality on the 3DS.
I never had an issue with any system actually except the N64, which was lacking in the audio department but that had a lot to do with the Cartridges I think
Speaking of sound, I hope we have really good sound quality coming out from the uPad. That's one thing we've heard little about, and I hope that someone at E3 brings their headphones and remembers to try plugging them into the uPad while trying out the demo stations. I find that it's a gem of a feature that some folks overlook.. goodness knows I'm sometimes tired of "turn that down!" when it really isn't that loud..
AceBandage
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The sound should be fine.
Streaming audio isn't a problem, and if they're able to stream high quality video then the sound will be pretty flawless.
True. I'm not too worried about the headphone output quality; more excited about the feature.
I do wonder what kind of speakers they've decided to go with..
Unless the speakers are crap.
AceBandage
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True, they went with 2 cent speakers on the Wii Remote.
Though, I think they'll likely use the same speakers they have in the 3DS, just to save money.
This silence won't mean anything in the long run. If the console reveal is successful at E3 then Nintendo has several months to build hype around it until launch.
Also revealing too much too early can actually hurt the hype. The momentum must be created around the launch, not a year before it.
The Wiimote speakers remind me of walkie-talkies we used to play with when I was a kid.. that's what prompted my original concern. But for some reason I think Nintendo will do better this time around.
Lord Ghirahim
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This is Nintendo, the speakers will be pure shit. Headphones/earphones only.
AceBandage
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Well, even if they are crap, it won't matter when you're using headphones.
Still, I doubt they'll use low quality speakers, if the controller is going to be useable as its own gaming device (in a sense).
Disorientator
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Interesting to see how -well- the Upad's stereo output (or pseudo surround) "sits" in the console's 5.1 sound field.
Nintendo had to use Bluetooth to transfer the audio, so they didn't exactly have the bandwidth for high quality sound. The fact that the speaker is piezo-electric didn't exactly help, either - not that it really matters if you're dealing with 4bit, 3kHz audio.
There are three main things that I find in common about positive reviews of E3 conferences:
- the presenters, their delivery, and their scripts weren't too crappy (incuding pacing);
- there were lots of sizzly-hot games to overwhelm the audience; and,
- there were plenty of surprises about games, features, guest appearances, etc.
Louis Cyphre
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So what did announcing it at E3 last year accomplish then?
Which makes me wonder how many cost cutting measures we will see. This tablet controller plus the system will need to be under $400, most likely trying to hit the $299 sweet spot. Given both the PS3 and Xbox 360 currently go for $200 and up it makes me wonder how this system will be in the end.
AceBandage
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Distraction from the Wii. Garnering developer interest.
I suspect it was to give the competition some temptation to copy Nintendo. And it would give them enough time to do it in.
nordique
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Regarding Price of the Wii U, consider that the fully featured Xbox 360 with Kinect is $349 (as I write this, in Canada)
Mind you, this is a sale and it will be back up to $399 soon. And it sells.
The 4GB Xbox 360 with Kinect is $299
I will be shocked if Wii U is $299, when it packs better/newer technology than the 360, and although no kinect, the Upad is not going to be cheap with all the technology its packing compared to a typical console controller.
Pleasantly shocked mind you
They had to get 3rd party developers onboard.
They have to work harder to get them then say Sony or MS.
That was them revealing too much too early.
Louis Cyphre
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I understand the latter being significant but why distract from the Wii when the Wii-U is over a year from being released?
AceBandage
Banned
It was more for investors than for us.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
I suspect it was to give the competition some temptation to copy Nintendo. And it would give them enough time to do it in.
Wouldn't that hurt the Wii-U then if they can copy Nintendo while upgrading the hardware?
Regarding Price of the Wii U, consider that the fully featured Xbox 360 with Kinect is $349 (as I write this, in Canada)
Mind you, this is a sale and it will be back up to $399 soon. And it sells.
The 4GB Xbox 360 with Kinect is $299
I will be shocked if Wii U is $299, when it packs better/newer technology than the 360, and although no kinect, the Upad is not going to be cheap with all the technology its packing compared to a typical console controller.
Pleasantly shocked mind you
I wouldn't be since Nintendo is more about entry level family oriented system that don't break the bank. $299 has always been the benchmark and even the Xbox 360 launched at that price, with no hard drive mind you.
It reminds me of a beta. Now they can hear the responses and try and improve it along the way.
Regarding Price of the Wii U, consider that the fully featured Xbox 360 with Kinect is $349 (as I write this, in Canada)
Mind you, this is a sale and it will be back up to $399 soon. And it sells.
The 4GB Xbox 360 with Kinect is $299
I will be shocked if Wii U is $299, when it packs better/newer technology than the 360, and although no kinect, the Upad is not going to be cheap with all the technology its packing compared to a typical console controller.
Pleasantly shocked mind you
I'm still going back and forth between $299 & $349.. if it's $349, I'll be pleasantly surprised..
Perhaps, but Nintendo may have been gambling on the off-chance that one of the two goes with more modest specs.
Sony in particular can't really afford a big loss. Hehe.. hehehe..
(errm.. dp.. sorry)
please, sound more like everyone else complaining...
-Pyromaniac-
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The reason why I can't picture 349 is because Nintendo is gonna have a hell of a time convincing people to buy it over the other 2 in christmas time. They either need to have a mindblowing EXCLUSIVE launch title(s), or have a cheap price. No one is gonna buy a wii-U for call of duty and assassins creed 3.
A very recent update then as at the very end of March, my sources were still on the 2.02
Interesting nonetheless, do you think it's linked with the planned arrival of V5 dev kits ?
And the question remain, the increments are small, 2.02 for a few months, then 2.03, one could think they would go for 2.1/2.2 updates.
Ok, after cross-checking the informations from my sources and a middleware new changelog on the web, it seems the SDK 2.02 was still in use at the end of march (and even perhaps the first days of april), the studios where my sources are working still developed through it at the time, and a SDK 2.03 appeared at the beginning of april. So my post is still relevant (and all the studios and middleware companies may not receiving SDK at the same time, though it must be rather quick), and the interrogations/speculations from these infos remain, what can we say about these numbers, the fact that Wii U SDK is evolving at seemingly small increments and at a rather slow pace (2.02 in use for a few months whereas the system is still in development). I edited my post of the previous page concerning SDK.
I hope it's a sign of the arrival of the "V5" dev kits
I hope it's a sign of the arrival of the "V5" dev kits
Father_Brain
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Nintendo's plans have almost certainly changed since last spring, whether as a result of the E3 reaction, 3DS' rough start, or (likely) both. Had they intended at the time to not launch the system until late Q3/Q4 of this year, I doubt it'd have been shown at E3 2011 at all.
The speakers on the Wii remote are fine. The problem is the speed/quality of the streaming and lack of memory in the remote.
It can't cope with streaming quality samples of any length ....so we end up with low quality hissy samples being used for the most part. You can make the best speakers in the world sound shit if the audio streamed to them is of really low quality.
It can't cope with streaming quality samples of any length ....so we end up with low quality hissy samples being used for the most part. You can make the best speakers in the world sound shit if the audio streamed to them is of really low quality.
They were speakers from these kinds of children books. I actually had a nostalgia flashback when I heard the god awful sound quality coming out of the Wiimote :lol
bgassassin
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I never mentioned.. I'm a bit suspicious about their source(s) for the whole "pissed" deal. Seems unlikely..
(and while on an old topic: Shocking, I'm glad your old avatar is back!)(ha!)
ShockingAlberto
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Those rumors are as unsourced as the first time they were posted.
Louis Cyphre
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I'm wondering if Sony and Microsoft's reluctance to offer new hardware soon also played into it?
please tell me u guys are gonna just wait at least a couple of weeks b4 E3 to make another one of these threads? because while this 3rd one was a little better, it went straight to the sh*thouse after all of the stupid rumors. it gave all the trolls an opportunity to have their premature eja- err victory...
-Pyromaniac-
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it doesn't matter because E3 conferences always get their own threads, and believe me if this thread wasn't here, there'd be a lot more wiiU threads being shit up.
AceBandage
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We don't really have a choice.
This thread is a living being now. We can't control it. Only feed it and hope it doesn't destroy us all.
CoffeeJanitor
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It doesn't mean anything. They're a corporation, what did you expect?
Yeah.. I specifically remembered a mod explicitly saying that they like these threads because they usually keep us all in one spot. We are a crazy-passionate bunch - not always rational, I'll be the first to admit - but it sounds like this type of thread has a positive effect on the board's overall pleasantness.
(Now, if the thread becomes innundated with trolls, there isn't much incentive to continue to dwell within in it since it's no longer peaceful.)
Samurai_Heart
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Lol well release some details or images XD if they're pissed, it will at least drive people less insane than this sadistic waiting game they're doing =p.
eastside49er
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My take on the whole Wii U rumor mill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN2nVLPkLNM&list=UUUC1sVBWVLWji_VtqVt-6vg&index=1&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN2nVLPkLNM&list=UUUC1sVBWVLWji_VtqVt-6vg&index=1&feature=plcp
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