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[teh_pwn]

LOL.

I am willing to bet Uncharted 4 is a clunky 3rd person action game just like the last 3.

Come now GAF, there is plenty to say about Nintendo vs. Competition but going the "the new experiences are over here" route is laughable.

This gen will be a slightly prettier version of last gen. Get ready for it.

If this is prettier version of last generation, then I'll take it 10x over what Wii U has right now.

Now that's *my* opinion. You have yours too. If you look at critic and user reviews and sales, however, you'll see that there's more consensus around the Uncharted Series than most of what Nintendo has put out on Wii U.

 

[JaseMath]

this year was shit i acknowledge this but to not even let it go through this christmas and see how it performs from here and what nintendo does in the future with it.

i think you guys are selling it short. if it performs bad next year to january 2015 then we have a titanic.

No one is at this point. Very few compelling titles, almost zero third party support, it lacks an account system, no real achievement system, it's overpriced, it's considered "last gen" by most media outlets... How is it NOT a Titanic failure already?

 

[udivision]

if it gets bundles + a hefty price drop to $200 + a marketing campaign and all the first/second party games coming next year and the consumers reacted positively and then continued such a momentum for the next 6 years you dont think it would come anywhere close to 30 million ?

if the wii u sells 30 million do you guys think it will sell 30 million?

Okay, snark aside. 20 million would be a miracle, it seems like.

 

[Manmademan]

if it gets bundles + a hefty price drop to $200

nintendo is already taking losses on the hardware at $300, and the tablet is expensive enough that dropping to $200 is basically out of the question. there simply isn't the room to drop components out of the WiiU as there was with the PS3.

+ a marketing campaign and all the first/second party games coming next year and the consumers reacted positively and then continued such a momentum for the next 7 years you dont think it would come anywhere close to 30 million ?

No chance whatsoever.

Imagine this scenario- it's 2016 and MS and Sony finally pull the 360 and PS3 off the market and/or no third parties are working on them anymore. all cross platform development has ceased and it's all next gen and PC.

Nintendo is now literally left to make games for the WiiU entirely by themselves without support. How many games per year do you really think nintendo can put out on their own? 2 a year? three?

If you thought the GC and N64 droughts were bad, the WiiU is going to take that to an entirely new level.

 

[steveovig]

If this is prettier version of last generation, then I'll take it 10x over what Wii U has right now.

Now that's *my* opinion. You have yours too. If you look at critic and user reviews and sales, however, you'll see that there's more consensus around the Uncharted Series than most of what Nintendo has put out on Wii U.

Yea right. You could've done Witcher 3 on the PS3/360/Wii-U. It just wouldn't look as nice.

 

[John Harker]

The thing is even if this specific number is wrong, we don't actually need it to come to the same conclusion everyone is discussing in this topic.

And with John Harker saying things on dire for Nov as well, it's a little more than conjecture. Things are just well and truly awful. We're all pretty fearful for Nintendo because most of us love them and what they have to offer.

For the record because I don't want to spread misinformation (because that's what I primarily try to steer away from here), I have my own goals set for things, and my post was in reference to my expected holiday software. i can extrapolate hardware from that if I wanted to, but hell, i won't need to in a few days anyway, so I'm not making any comments yet as to overall hardware movement. though, if software is indicative...

and boo on anyone whose calling me out for trolling.
my only bias is that i want everyone to do well!! I represent an industry, not an interest. poo.

 

[Steel]

if it gets bundles + a hefty price drop to $200 + a marketing campaign and all the first/second party games coming next year and the consumers reacted positively and then continued such a momentum for the next 6 years you dont think it would come anywhere close to 30 million ?

You've got the PS3 and X360, which have similiar specs to the WII U, throughout the year with a much larger library than the Wii U and a greater online infrastructure. While the U has exclusives and a couple gimics going for it, what do you think gamers on a budget would choose?

No, I don't think it'll come back. It's not going to get enough third party support to be worthwhile due to underwhelming hardware and it just seems like Mario isn't really enough to carry the console by itself anymore.

 

[Maidenpool?]

They've already dipped into that fund to create it, killing it prematurely would cause more problems then good.

Spending a couple of million on advertising is not going to break the bank. They probably recoup cost with 3DS software sales alone.

I would rather invest those millions in tulips, or shove them in a mattress, or spend them on booze to forget about this whole Wii U excursion. Anything but the marketing push.
The thing is, I can't figure out who this marketing would be for. Because of the technology disparity, Nintendo - ideally - would want this mystery person to find out about Wii U and not the Ps4 or Xbone. Who would watch an ad for the Wii U, and then (in this day and age) do absolutely no research and just go out and buy one? And if Nintendo thinks they can gouge the 3-5 year old market some more - news flash - its 2013, not 1993. The thirty-something Dad is probably now a gamer or at least has an understanding of up from down. He probably owns a Ps4 and would rather have his kid play with his IPad instead.

 

[prwxv3]

Yea right. You could've done Witcher 3 on the PS3/360/Wii-U. It just wouldn't look as nice.

You could done smash4, mariokart 8, and DKTF on Wii it just would not look as nice. See how stupid that sounds.

 

[SethADrekin]

Seriously, who is taking this ridiculous underestimate from Pachter remotely serious? We already know Wii U did around 200k in the US in the last week of November alone. You can call BS on ******** all you want, but they, and everyone else, have consistently underestimated Nintendo Sales every month for 5 years. This November isn't going to magically be the first time they overestimate Nintendo.

Why is it people only seem to think Pachter is ever right about anything when he's bad mouthing Nintendo? The man has never correctly predicted any trend in the Video Game Industry, regardless of which console he is talking about.

 

[PBY]

Seriously, who is taking this ridiculous underestimate from Pachter remotely serious? We already know Wii U did around 200k in the US in the last week of November alone. You can call BS on ******** all you want, but they, and everyone else, have consistently underestimated Nintendo Sales every month for 5 years. This November isn't going to magically be the first time they overestimate Nintendo.

Why is it people only seem to think Pachter is ever right about anything when he's bad mouthing Nintendo? The man has never correctly predicted any trend in the Video Game Industry, regardless of which console he is talking about.

Whoa. Dat tone lol

How do we know they pushed 200k? And Pach's been pretty close w/ his WiiU predictions.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Seriously, who is taking this ridiculous underestimate from Pachter remotely serious? We already know Wii U did around 200k in the US in the last week of November alone.

We know this? I'm sure we would have had a thread if we knew it.

 

[Manmademan]

Seriously, who is taking this ridiculous underestimate from Pachter remotely serious? We already know Wii U did around 200k in the US in the last week of November alone.

we do? where did we get those numbers?

You can call BS on ******** all you want, but they, and everyone else, have consistently underestimated Nintendo Sales every month for 5 years. This November isn't going to magically be the first time they overestimate Nintendo.

Pachter's historical predictions are already posted in the thread. he actually OVERESTIMATES the wiiU more often than the other way around.

 

[teh_pwn]

You could done smash4, mariokart 8, and DKTF on Wii it just would not look as nice. See how stupid that sounds.

We also don't know what the gameplay entails. I think there will be new possibilities, particularly in an open world. We'll go from Elder Scrolls with invisible boundaries, walls, and partitioning load times to a battle in a busy city inside a building with open doors/windows with physics reacting to spells. PS3 had enough trouble just handling last generation open world due to memory limitations. Xbox 360 would be barren in order to do something like that teaser, which breaks the immersion. An open world game is about teeming immersion and interaction.

 

[prwxv3]

we do? where did we get those numbers?



Pachter's historical predictions are already posted in the thread. he actually OVERESTIMATES the wiiU more often than the other way around.

Probably banned sales site lol.

 

[Amir0x]

For the record because I don't want to spread misinformation (because that's what I primarily try to steer away from here), I have my own goals set for things, and my post was in reference to my expected holiday software. i can extrapolate hardware from that if I wanted to, but hell, i won't need to in a few days anyway, so I'm not making any comments yet as to overall hardware movement. though, if software is indicative...

and boo on anyone whose calling me out for trolling.
my only bias is that i want everyone to do well!! I represent an industry, not an interest. poo.

just tell me one thing Harker... is there any hope for Mario at least in America?

 

[prwxv3]

We also don't know what the gameplay entails. I think there will be new possibilities, particularly in an open world. We'll go from Elder Scrolls with invisible boundaries, walls, and partitioning load times to a battle in a busy city inside a builidling with open doors/windows with physics reacting to spells. PS3 had enough trouble just handling last generation open world due to memory limitations. Xbox 360 would be barren in order to do something like that teaser, which breaks the immersion. An open world game is about teeming immeersion and interaction.

And this while open world games were great last gen there is a shit tone room for improvement that the new consoles can allow.

 

[Amir0x]

Pachter's historical predictions are already posted in the thread. he actually OVERESTIMATES the wiiU more often than the other way around.

Check the guy's post history. 38 posts of the most dripping Nintendo fanboy desperation around. He's not making a serious point, just emotionally expressing his frustration at seeing his company of choice dissolve with their Wii U. I get it, though. I love Nintendo too, but I am a realist and I understand the Wii U just ain't going to work out for them.

 

[Caffeine]

nintendo is already taking losses on the hardware at $300, and the tablet is expensive enough that dropping to $200 is basically out of the question. there simply isn't the room to drop components out of the WiiU as there was with the PS3.



No chance whatsoever.

Imagine this scenario- it's 2016 and MS and Sony finally pull the 360 and PS3 off the market and/or no third parties are working on them anymore. all cross platform development has ceased and it's all next gen and PC.

Nintendo is now literally left to make games for the WiiU entirely by themselves without support. How many games per year do you really think nintendo can put out on their own? 2 a year? three?

If you thought the GC and N64 droughts were bad, the WiiU is going to take that to an entirely new level.

Spoiler

Continues playing and enjoying games on Wii U

 

[ab.aeterno]

Yea right. You could've done Witcher 3 on the PS3/360/Wii-U. It just wouldn't look as nice.

In response to someone showing a game that's illustrative of the graphical leap over current-gen, your response is, "You could do it on current gen, it just wouldn't look as nice"?

That's... what?

You could argue that about almost every game.

 

[Manmademan]

Check the guy's post history. 38 posts of the most dripping Nintendo fanboy desperation around. He's not making a serious point, just emotionally expressing his frustration at seeing his company of choice dissolve with their Wii U. I get it, though. I love Nintendo too, but I am a realist and I understand the Wii U just ain't going to work out for them.

Oh wow. did nintendo look at Microsoft's viral marketing plan and decide to take a stab at it? Oh Reggie, this isn't the way to spend those precious marketing dollars!

 

[Petrae]

We already know Wii U did around 200k in the US in the last week of November alone. You can call BS on ******** all you want...

Yeah, don't quote that bullshit site here. Pachter is at least a paid professional who projects numbers, not a fly-by-night outfit who throws Dartz to finagle its numbers.

Agree or disagree with Pachter's projections, but bringing in an obvious falsification like The Site That Shall Not Be Named does nothing for your posting credibility.

 

[spock]

I would rather invest those millions in tulips, or shove them in a mattress, or spend them on booze to forget about this whole Wii U excursion. Anything but the marketing push.
The thing is, I can't figure out who this marketing would be for. Because of the technology disparity, Nintendo - ideally - would want this mystery person to find out about Wii U and not the Ps4 or Xbone. Who would watch an ad for the Wii U, and then (in this day and age) do absolutely no research and just go out and buy one? And if Nintendo thinks they can gouge the 3-5 year old market some more - news flash - its 2013, not 1993. The thirty-something Dad is probably now a gamer or at least has an understanding of up from down. He probably owns a Ps4 and would rather have his kid play with his IPad instead.

Whats funny is I am a 35 year old father of 2 and I find the wiiu much more appealing as a gamer then the PS4 of X1...the PS4 has some appeal though. Others folks in my demo seem to be the same. I mentioned this in another thread, but its almost like a loop. You start out liking the more whimsical stuff as a kid then you want the realism, then at 30+ you crave the whimsical again cause you get enough realism in your actual life and on tv via cnn and espn, etc. Games that are fun and provide the feeling of a new experience have much more appeal then stuff with better graphics, more ram, etc...

 

[Maidenpool?]

Pachter Predictions for Wii U in Comparison to NPD:

November 2012:
450K prediction -> 425K reality
25K over-predicted (-5.55%)

December 2012:
675K prediction -> 463K reality
212K over-predicted (-31.41%)

January 2013:
125K prediction -> 57K reality
68K over-predicted (-54.40%)

February 2013:
80K prediction -> 66K reality
14K over-predicted (-17.50%)

March 2013:
55K prediction -> 68K reality
13K under-predicted (23.63%)

April 2013:
55K prediction -> 37K reality
18K over-predicted (-32.72%)

May 2013:
32K prediction -> 33K reality
1K under-predicted (3.13%)

June 2013:
38K prediction -> 42K reality
4K under-predicted (10.53%)

July 2013:
30K prediction -> 29K reality
1K over-predicted (-3.33%)

August 2013:
30K prediction -> 31K reality
1K under-predicted (3.33%)

September 2013:
55K prediction -> 95K reality
40K under-predicted (72.72%)

October 2013:
75K prediction -> 50K reality
25K over-predicted (-33.33%)

November 2013:
150K prediction

...About Pachter "Under-predicting" Nintendo "every month"

 

[PBY]

Whats funny is I am a 35 year old father of 2 and I find the wiiu much more appealing as a gamer then the PS4 of X1...the PS4 has some appeal though. Others folks in my demo seem to be the same. I mentioned this in another thread, but its almost like a loop. You start out liking the more whimsical stuff as a kid then you want the realism, then at 30+ you crave the whimsical again cause you get enough realism in your actual life and on tv via cnn and espn, etc. Games that are fun and provide the feeling of a new experience have much more appeal then stuff with better graphics...

That may be your experience and those in your anectodal circle- but you're painting with a broad brush there.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Nintendo doesn't have a monopoly on "whimsy."

 

[opticalmace]

<south park> ...anddd it's gone.

 

[Manmademan]

In response to someone showing a game that's illustrative of the graphical leap over current-gen, your response is, "You could do it on current gen, it just wouldn't look as nice"?

That's... what?

You could argue that about almost every game.

well, doesn't work for generation 4 to generation 5 (because of the whole 3D business) but in general- yeah. stupid argument.

but that aside, Those of us that are still playing these high end games on PS360 are seeing the strain in these games. It's clear we've really hit the practical limits of what's possible here, especially with open world type games. Newer games on PS4 (resogun) are doing things with physics that are flat out impossible to do on last gen hardware, pretty or not.


Witcher 3 is likely to have a lot of gameplay elements that cannot be done, whether its physics, world size, seamless worlds with no loading areas, etc.

 

[steveovig]

In response to someone showing a game that's illustrative of the graphical leap over current-gen, your response is, "You could do it on current gen, it just wouldn't look as nice"?

That's... what?

You could argue that about almost every game.

That's my opinion. The graphical leap this gen isn't amazing and isn't going to add much to games except in Open World settings. My opinion is that we don't need a new set of consoles to advance gameplay much. It's all about shiny, nice looking shit though, so I digress.

 

[spock]

Nintendo doesn't have a monopoly on "whimsy."

True, but they tend to do "whimsy" better then everyone else in the game.

 

[Maidenpool?]

Whats funny is I am a 35 year old father of 2 and I find the wiiu much more appealing as a gamer then the PS4 of X1...the PS4 has some appeal though. Others folks in my demo seem to be the same. I mentioned this in another thread, but its almost like a loop. You start out liking the more whimsical stuff as a kid then you want the realism, then at 30+ you crave the whimsical again cause you get enough realism in your actual life and on tv via cnn and espn, etc. Games that are fun and provide the feeling of a new experience have much more appeal then stuff with better graphics, more ram, etc...

I see where you are coming from, and to be honest, I will probably be like that when I get to your age. I'm 25 and already completely burned out of the Michael Bay FPS ADD games that are so popular these days.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Nintendo doesn't have a monopoly on "whimsy."

Are you sure? I think they have a patent on it. That and "fun" and "gameplay."

 

[Jac_Solar]

Welp, yeah that's that then.

So... assuming we're not getting a new Nintendo machine until 2016 or so

Wii UU? Wii Y?

They better call the next one Wii 2 or something like that -- and bring the marketing.

...About Pachter "Under-predicting" Nintendo "every month"

7 under-predictions, 5 over-predictions, with an over-prediction being the highest.

 

[davepoobond]

That's my opinion. The graphical leap this gen isn't amazing and isn't going to add much to games except in Open World settings. My opinion is that we don't need a new set of consoles to advance gameplay much. It's all about shiny, nice looking shit though, so I digress.

Graphics aren't the only benefit from better hardware...

 

[BrhysH]

I would rather invest those millions in tulips, or shove them in a mattress, or spend them on booze to forget about this whole Wii U excursion. Anything but the marketing push.
The thing is, I can't figure out who this marketing would be for. Because of the technology disparity, Nintendo - ideally - would want this mystery person to find out about Wii U and not the Ps4 or Xbone. Who would watch an ad for the Wii U, and then (in this day and age) do absolutely no research and just go out and buy one? And if Nintendo thinks they can gouge the 3-5 year old market some more - news flash - its 2013, not 1993. The thirty-something Dad is probably now a gamer or at least has an understanding of up from down. He probably owns a Ps4 and would rather have his kid play with his IPad instead.

If the idea of someone saying they need to market their product has you upset, there might be bigger problems here. Marketing wouldn't cost them billions and still would not force you to buy a WiiU you know that right. You could still be happy gaming on your Ps4, Xbox one, PC, 3ds or Vita.

Plus the market for buying is not just 30 year old dads that have enough disposable income for a Ps4 and the latest Ipad. A lot of moms, dads and grandparents who know the Mario brand from 3DS and DS are out there.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Are you sure? I think they have a patent on it.

There's no use searching, Apple has patented everything.

 

[Manmademan]

Whats funny is I am a 35 year old father of 2 and I find the wiiu much more appealing as a gamer then the PS4 of X1...the PS4 has some appeal though. Others folks in my demo seem to be the same. I mentioned this in another thread, but its almost like a loop. You start out liking the more whimsical stuff as a kid then you want the realism, then at 30+ you crave the whimsical again cause you get enough realism in your actual life and on tv via cnn and espn, etc. Games that are fun and provide the feeling of a new experience have much more appeal then stuff with better graphics, more ram, etc...

you're not the only 35 year old father in this thread, chief.

and I won't say too much to your argument (to each his own, after all) except that if you think all there is to the PS3 library is "prettier graphics and realism" with no innovation or whimsical experiences, I would say that you either don't own one, or haven't taken a look at the library recently.

 

[Radec]

That's my opinion. The graphical leap this gen isn't amazing and isn't going to add much to games except in Open World settings. My opinion is that we don't need a new set of consoles to advance gameplay much. It's all about shiny, nice looking shit though, so I digress.

Thank god you're just a consumer and nowhere near the gaming industry.

...About Pachter "Under-predicting" Nintendo "every month"

Yikes.

 

[Imperfected]

There's no use searching, Apple has patented everything.

Lies. Nintendo has a patent on color, which is why Sony and Apple are stuck with black and white. The X-Box's disgusting green got through on a technicality due to being not so much a color as the physical sensation of repulsion in optical form.

 

[Maidenpool?]

If the idea of someone saying they need to market their product has you upset, there might be bigger problems here. Marketing wouldn't cost them billions and still would not force you to buy a WiiU you know that right. You could still be happy gaming on your Ps4, Xbox one, PC, 3ds or Vita.

Plus the market for buying is not just 30 year old dads that have enough disposable income for a Ps4 and the latest Ipad. A lot of moms, dads and grandparents who know the Mario brand from 3DS and DS are out there.

I'm not upset, I just think it is pointless, because I see no future for the Wii U other than continued futility. You clearly have more hope for the system, which is fine. I just hope they make it to Zelda...

 

[Manmademan]

Thank god you're just a consumer and nowhere near the gaming industry.



Yikes.

yep. Pachter gets a lot of shit, but his targets for the wiiU have been consistently fair- only really off a couple of times, one of which was due to massive returns (january) and another in a month with a large price cut (september).

As someone else pointed out, if pachter is off with his prediction by his largest margin EVER (70-odd percent) the WiiU is still only barely cracking 250k for the month, which is abysmal.

 

[gamergirly]

So if the Wii U sells 350K or higher on the NPD, can we lock this senseless thread?

 

[PBY]

So if the Wii U sells 350K or higher on the NPD, can we lock this senseless thread?

Just curious- why 350k? Its just an arbitrary target.

Still would be horrendous btw.

 

[Maidenpool?]

So if the Wii U sells 350K or higher on the NPD, can we lock this senseless thread?

Absolutely. But if not... look out

 

[Manmademan]

So if the Wii U sells 350K or higher on the NPD, can we lock this senseless thread?

and if it doesn't, can we sticky the thread and change the title to "gamergirly was totally wrong lol"?

let the mods decide what's threadworthy and should be locked.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

So if the Wii U sells 350K or higher on the NPD, can we lock this senseless thread?

Well, the thread will probably get locked anyway if it's still active once the NPDs hit.

 

[Chris R]

Thought Nintendo would bring some hype at VGX but instead I just got Cranky Kong... Going to be interesting to see what they do at E3 2014/2015.

So glad my new roommate owns a WiiU, no way I'd want to waste money on it.

 

[teh_pwn]

So if the Wii U sells 350K or higher on the NPD, can we lock this senseless thread?

Sure. But I think it will be locked if it gets bumped while the actual NPD data comes out, rather than because you think this thread shouldn't exist.

 

[Crash Station]

and if it doesn't, can we sticky the thread and change the title to "gamergirly was totally wrong lol"?

let the mods decide what's threadworthy and should be locked.

You still taking a ban if it hits above 300k?


The thread is probably going to get locked regardless when actual data comes out even if Pachter is right on the money.

 

[prwxv3]

Thought Nintendo would bring some hype at VGX but instead I just got Cranky Kong... Going to be interesting to see what they do at E3 2014/2015.

So glad my new roommate owns a WiiU, no way I'd want to waste money on it.

Believing anything from Reggie was your first mistake.