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[WadiumArcadium]

I think the better question is

Will Disney take more risks with EP8?

Seeing they have a pretty hands-off approach, it's not really.

 

[Travo]

With Rian Johnson at the helm, you'll hope.

A New Hope?

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Spoilers, maybe big:

Spoiler

Luke and Rey meditate together and "walk" through the energy of the force. Finn and Meena have a complex relationship, mostly because of their past with the First Order (she was captured by them and watched her friends die).

That sounds interesting. Though it's a rumour (as you said) so I'm not expecting it to be true.

I think the better question is

Will Disney take more risks with EP8?

Lucasfilm.

Lucasfilm.

 

[Sapiens]

That sounds interesting. Though it's a rumour so I'm not expecting it yo be true.

Lucasfilm.

Lucasfilm.

JiizneyFilm

Lo, where is Robby Bobberts to correct us on the correct marketing speak?

 

[PeskyToaster]

Booby was just correcting weird conspiratorial narratives people have about the involvement of Disney in the making of the films.

 

[JordanN]

The next movie will be about Stormtroopers on the quest for the perfect cereal.

To do that, they'll have to fight General Toys R Us on Planet Hoth.

 

[shingi70]

I enjoyed the force awakens in terms of fun, adventure and the light comedy. Fin, Rey and Kylo Ren were all fantastic. It did a lot of things right, that the prequels got entirely wrong.

The original 3 star wars movies have a very special aesthetic. The design of the ships, creatures and droids is of the highest possible calibre, fantastically original and iconic. Ralph Mcquarrie is a genius. Special effects industry was so small and specialised back then, probably all the best people in the world were working on star wars.

The prequels only got this vaguely right in terms of costumes and sets, that were quite good in places. But the ships, droids, creatures were absolutely clownish garbage. I hated every ship, every droid, the clone troopers. Everything except Darth Maul. It wasn't star wars quality.

With Force Awakens I feel this base aesthetic was re-established fairly well. The silly, plasticy prequel garbage was washed away. Everything was a bit more grown up and grimy. The original star wars feel was back, and it was important to re-establish that. Was it perfect? Far from it, but this takes me back to your original point...

Yes - it was safe, it didn't have much of anything original in it, it was just re-hasing of core stuff from the originals, and didn't put it's own mark on the universe.

We start in the desert again, then later a planet that might as well be nottingham with sherwood forest beside it. I haven't seen it in a while but I don't remember any original cool new droids, creatures or ships (except Kylo Ren's ship). Mostly just re-colourings or tweaks to base-level stuff we had before, which was welcome in a way, but they didn't augment it with new things.

In comparison, after a New Hope, we got Empire, we went to a snow planet, at-ats, snow speeders, tauntauns, wampa, then the asteroid belt chase, asteroid creature, super dense swamp planet, introduced yoda, cloud city, bobba fet, carbonite, slave one. Jedi had Jabba, rancor, pig guards, bib fortuna, sarlacc, ewoks, tree houses, at-sts, speeder bikes, b-wings, super star destroyers, capital ships.

Also I hated the star killer. There is a new force establishing itself in the universe, and they go straight to deathstar++ for the finale. Stupidly high stakes, where does the new series go from here? Blowing up a a cluster of solar systems? Couldn't they have left something like that for a later movie? And do we really need to blow up 2 or 3 things, can't it just be one planet? Seems like arbitrary, silly ramping up of stakes to the maximum, then multiplying it by three just because.

Instead, a simple star destroyer type ship parking in a planets orbit and starting to level the main cities of the planet with a giant cannon would have been much more visually interesting, and not just a red beam and a 'boom' (x3).

What worries me even more is 'Rogue One'. This looks like the they took the 'safe' of Force Awakens to whole new stagnant levels. I hope it's good. But At-AT's at the beach with palm trees??

Well the prequels are supposed be cleaner time and we spend alot of time on planets and facilities with alot of wealth. Geonosis and Tatooine are still pretty grimy shitty places.

 

[mugurumakensei]

is JJ Abrams directing and/or writing? if not, it'll probably try some things new.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Why would they do that when they can make so much money being as safe and mediocre as possible?

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

The number one reason they chose Rian was Breaking Bad, not Looper and why they were looking at Affleck. Someone who could handle the emotion and drama.

Also, Rians pitch for the story won him the job which is why he has sole credit for story/screenplay.

 

[shingi70]

The number one reason they chose Rian was Breaking Bad, not Looper and why they were look at Affleck. Someone who could handle the emotion and drama.

Also, Rians pitch for the story won him the job which is why he has sole credit for story/screenplay.

He's also the reason why TFA ended with Rey presenting Anikan's saber to Luke.

 

[NHarmonic.]

The prequel trilogy wasn't bad because it took risks. It was bad because it was poorly written and directed. It's possible for a movie to take risks and still be good (see The Empire Strikes Back). Honestly I'd rather have something take risks and fail than a paint by numbers sort of movie. Worst case scenario, I don't watch it again. Oh no...

lol, TFA revived star wars in a way that shattered expectations. I sincerely don't care if it didn't take risks, as long as you can set the path to a new story on that universe, and with the IP.

And i don't know but,

Spoiler

killing han

+ female lead/jedi, seems to me like a really huge risk.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

He's also the reason why TFA ended with Rey presenting Anikan's saber to Luke.

Huh, I didn't know that. Neat!

 

[LegendofJoe]

I expect Episode 8 to rise above every other Star Wars movie that isn't Empire Strikes Back. High expectations I know, but it's time a Star Wars movie delivers on all levels and I think this one will do it.

 

[Lifejumper]

The number one reason they chose Rian was Breaking Bad, not Looper and why they were look at Affleck. Someone who could handle the emotion and drama.

Also, Rians pitch for the story won him the job which is why he has sole credit for story/screenplay.

I wish Ben did IX.

 

[Chezzymann]

I hope so. For how bad the prequels were, I loved all the new ideas, ship designs, and weird planets they had. Really brought a lot to the star wars universe. Episode 7 was for the most part name swaps.

 

[Kinyou]

I hope they resist the urge to cut someone's hands off and to replace it with a robot one.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I hope they resist the urge to cut someone's hands off and to replace it with a robot one.

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

I wish Ben did IX.

Everyone does. While Colin is writing the script, Rian already set the story in motion so I'm not too worried about a boring story. I'm betting Affleck and others will get a shot with 10-12 in a decade.

Maybe they'll give Affleck the Ren movie or Old Republic (which I heard is the next "epic", episodic story they might shoot for as a 10 year break between 9 and 10 to hold people over since the side stories aren't "big enough"). Believe me, Disney is waiting for 9 to release before they announce their 10 year SW slate.

 

[shingi70]

Lucasfilm has the best opportunity to take risks with episode 8. Just think of where the Galaxy is post Force Awakens.

-Hosain Prime along with the New Republic and it's army was destroyed.

-Luke Skywalker has been found and will presumably hook Rey up with a dope Palawan braid.

- Kylo Ren has killed his father and is going to complete his training in the Darkside with Snoke.

-The First Order is the new major power in the galaxy.


Plus we have the plot beats of Snoke, The Knights of Ren, Rey's back story, the Fall of Luke's Jedi.


Plus why is Jakku so important, more so than being similar to Tatooine.

 

[Lifejumper]

Everyone does. While Colin is writing the script, Rian already set the story in motion so I'm not too worried about a boring story. I'm betting Affleck and others will get a shot with 10-12 in a decade.

Maybe they'll give Affleck the Ren movie or Old Republic (which I heard is the next "epic", episodic story they might shoot for as a 10 year break between 9 and 10 to hold people over since the side stories aren't "big enough"). Believe me, Disney is waiting for 9 to release before they announce their 10 year SW slate.

10 year break between 9 and 10 seems sensible. EDIT: Wait... They are thinking about doing a ren movie?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

It will end with Finn being frozen in carbonite. If that's not risky to you I don't know what is.

 

[120v]

Ep 7 did an okay job of setting new stuff up but i just can't get over is the First Order. Just seems like "hey man remember The Empire? yeah...."

like, what kind of threat are they? they just going to build more super death stars to be inevitably blown up. what's the end game, is this just another Dark Lord's army that does things because evil. i know star wars was never particularly nuanced beyond good vs. bad i'd always assumed a sequel trilogy to have a bit different "conflict" to get invested in

i realize the next movie could go either way though

 

[BlueDogAnchorite]

I really hope so. That's why I really disliked The Force Awakens..

 

[BassForever]

Yeah when they try to copy paste the most well loved by fans and mass media entry in the series they'll be taking a huge risk not to piss everyone off

 

[Raptor]

I saw Midnight Special and believe it or not it retroactively made me appreciate EP7 lol.

Kylo Ren is awesome and I want to see him go through the whole trilogy eventually him being the main lead and finishing it by reediming himself.

 

[bill0527]

Too much money at stake for "risk"

It's going to be safe as fuck

Yeah this.

Disney isn't going to start taking risks until they are well in the black on the amount they paid for the franchise. Just because the Ep VII made 2 billion, doesn't mean Disney made 2 billion off of it. Until they are in the black on their investment and they get to the point of diminishing returns, they are going to play it safe as fuck with the franchise.

 

[Cipher Peon]

Taking more risks like... the prequel trilogy? No thanks.

This mentality bothers me more than it should.

I'd rather a movie be flamboyantly risk taking and fail horrendously on its face on every step of the way over a competently executed great film that is forgotten the second I leave the theater.

Batman v Superman vs Civil War, I guess.

I really liked The Force Awakens, but I really wish it wasn't so safe. I'm down for a crazy Episode 8.

 

[jackal27]

I feel like they took a risk casting a girl and a black guy as their protagonists.

That shouldn't be a risk by any means, but we already know it tanked Ghostbusters long before it had a chance to actually prove itself on it's own merits and it probably won't be the last. So leading with minorities was pretty ballsy.

They also took a risk by making a direct sequel to possibly the most beloved films of all time. That is a huge order. Can't say I wouldn't play it safe (at least the first time) either.

Always trust in GOAT Rian Johnson though. I've been in love with the guy since I was a teenager like 10 years ago and I think he's going to do great. My guess is that he'll pull more out of the smaller details and make it more character focused. My hope is that it FEELS like Empire Strikes Back without BEING Empire.

 

[Killer Queen]

Yeah this.

Disney isn't going to start taking risks until they are well in the black on the amount they paid for the franchise. Just because the Ep VII made 2 billion, doesn't mean Disney made 2 billion off of it. Until they are in the black on their investment and they get to the point of diminishing returns, they are going to play it safe as fuck with the franchise.

You don't think they've already made their money back through merchandise?

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

I hope not. The prequels were risky and they were shit.

 

[Extra Sauce]

I accepted VII being so conservative because they needed that movie to be a huge success but I won't be so understanding if VIII is another OT mixtape.

Then again I love the new characters so in all honesty I can't imagine the sequel being anything less than good regardless. More imaginative concepts, imagery and world-building would be nice but characters are the most important thing about these movies to me and Lucasfilm got that shit on lock.

 

[Slaythe]

Would Kylo speaking to ghost Anakin/Vader count as risky?

Part of me wants to see this.

I want this so bad.

Please bring back Christensen and show the world Lucas was the one to blame.

Anakin setting Kylo straight would be great.

 

[Killer Queen]

I want this so bad.

Please bring back Christensen and show the world Lucas was the one to blame.

Anakin setting Kylo straight would be great.

Pretty sure the idea was that it would send him more to the dark side. Don't redeem Kylo. We need a good villain

 

[Yaboosh]

A Kylo redemption arc would be a huge bummer.

 

[shingi70]

Ep 7 did an okay job of setting new stuff up but i just can't get over is the First Order. Just seems like "hey man remember The Empire? yeah...."

like, what kind of threat are they? they just going to build more super death stars to be inevitably blown up. what's the end game, is this just another Dark Lord's army that does things because evil. i know star wars was never particularly nuanced beyond good vs. bad i'd always assumed a sequel trilogy to have a bit different "conflict" to get invested in

i realize the next movie could go either way though

They're Neo Nazis. We don't know what the goals related to Snoke and the Darkside are. However Hux, Phasma, and alot of the officers in the First Order are made up of former Empire officers and stormtroopers, the children of those people, and new republic senators and socialites who miss the empire.

 

[novabolt]

You do know about the anthology films right? They're doing the mainline saga films and spin-offs where they can experiment with different genres. Rogue One is more of a traditional war film for example.



These are new to me. I assume

Spoiler

Meena

is Kelly Marie Tran's character?

Sorry, dude. I know about them and I think that a more RPG adventure Epic would be the best way to do a sub series of Star Wars. I'll wait and see Rogue One first before I make my decision.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

Seeing they have a pretty hands-off approach, it's not really.

Source? They've been pretty involved in many other parts of the Star Wars license so I don't know why the movie wouldn't count.

Lucasfilm.

Lucasfilm.

Maybe read my post next time. I was implying Disney has some say in EP8.

 

[Extra Sauce]

You do know about the anthology films right? They're doing the mainline saga films and spin-offs where they can experiment with different genres. Rogue One is more of a traditional war film for example.

Yeah, expanding on the iconic opening of the original movie and making prequels about popular characters is so risky.

Please, the anthology movies are the least exciting prospects right now. The pitches we've heard thus far don't have half the imagination found in some of Dark Horse's comics.

 

[novabolt]

Source? They've been pretty involved in many other parts of the Star Wars license so I don't know why the movie wouldn't count.

Maybe read my post next time. I was implying Disney has some say in EP8.

Aren't Disney the ones who took the EU out of canon and are cherry picking it? That's pretty hands on if you ask me?

 

[QuantumZebra]

I don't think you hire Rian Johnson unless you want to do something a bit different. Lawrence Kasdan hinted it'll be pretty different to TFA.

This.

They deliberately set-up EP7 as a nostalgia-ride (and it was amazing), so that EP8 could go full speed into new territory.

 

[diamount]

So the fact Force Awakens being a rehash is commonly accepted now? I remember getting roasted for daring to say that a month or so after the movie was released.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

Rogue One is going to be a war movie like Winter Soldier was a political thriller.

Disney is ballsy.

 

[Bronx-Man]

So the fact Force Awakens being a rehash is commonly accepted now? I remember getting roasted for daring to say that a month or so after the movie was released.

For the first weeks a movie's out, there's gonna be marks defending their brand no matter what. Pay them no mind.

 

[GIANKRATOS]

I hope so.

 

[thecouncil]

I think the better question is

Will Disney take more risks with EP8?

That's definitely a worse question. A nonsensical one, even.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Source? They've been pretty involved in many other parts of the Star Wars license so I don't know why the movie wouldn't count.

I'm not saying they don't have any say but it sounds like the ideas and stories are still coming from Lucasfilm and the people they're hiring.

“I cannot say enough about how Bog Iger and Alan Horn have understood this thing that is now part of the Disney company,” Abrams added. “And they’re not trying to Disney-fy it, they’re not doing anything other than, I think, an incredibly smart thing, which is letting Kathleen Kennedy — who is a remarkable person and producer — run and lead Lucasfilm to a place where I think it wants to go.”

So the fact Force Awakens being a rehash is commonly accepted now? I remember getting roasted for daring to say that a month or so after the movie was released.

I wouldn't say that. It's just a lot of people who think that tend to swarm these threads on GAF to prove how wrong we all are for liking it.

 

[shingi70]

I want this so bad.

Please bring back Christensen and show the world Lucas was the one to blame.

Anakin setting Kylo straight would be great.

Well the idea was that it would galvanize Kylo and read from his resolve. The force ghost was supposed to morph from Anikan to Vader, with Anikan pleading for him to rejoin the light while Vader pegging Kylo on. It's an interesting anamoly considering Anikan/Vader shouldn't be able to become a force ghost at all

 

[KeyBladerXIII]

I want this so bad.

Please bring back Christensen and show the world Lucas was the one to blame.

Anakin setting Kylo straight would be great.

No, keep Kylo a villain, but have Anakin show up when he's defeated and dying, basically tell him, "You stupid fuck," then disappear on him.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Well the new Empire has had their super weapon destroyed. They will strike back next movie.