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Will Lucasfilm take more risks with EP8?
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BlueDogAnchorite
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I actually liked the Prequels more than The Force Awakens. That's because it took so many risks, and I found that more refreshing than The Force Awakens. Which was just a retrend of A New Hope and relied too much on nostalgia.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Kylo's definitely getting redeemed but they're not going to repeat the same story. He'll live and pay for his sins or teach the new order, being the first character who went from light to dark and comes back. It would be a new kind of character in the film series and along with Rey and Finn, would be really cool to see where he is in X.
Extra Sauce
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So you'd rather eat a turd than reheat last night's supper?
WadiumArcadium
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People at Lucasfilm were discussing it before Disney took over. Especially when Lucas was considering more films post Jedi. The Lucasfilm story group are the ones managing it now.
BlueDogAnchorite
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Yes, I would rather. Really rolling my eyes at the passive aggressive comment. You know what was a turd, The Force Awakens.
Personally though, I love The Clone Wars show more than all the movies though. So there's that
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I loved how you took a personal shot at me just because I like the Prequels though.
Killer Queen
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So the fanboy wars have started in here too huh.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
But in the end you have a terrible film, a terrible film doesn't win points for taking risks, especially if it fails at the vast majority of things that make a great film. Let alone consistently failing three different times. ¬_¬ Our kids are gonna fondly remember episode 7 and not just because it has nice visuals.
If the force awakens was a turd then what does that make three films that are objectively worse in terms of what makes a good film?
BlueDogAnchorite
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I agree. But I find it funny how whenever people bring up liking the Prequels more than The Force Awakens, these Prequel haters try to use insults to just shut down any discussion on why these movies are liked.
Like just saying it's terrible is not going to cut it for me. If you don't like it that's fine, but I find lot of problems that these fans have with Prequels have gotten overblown.
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Crossing Eden. Whoops my bad, I said The Force Awakens is turd. Not sorry. I actually thought the Prequels were more entertaining than The Force Awakens. I was responding to that attack by that poster who just insulted me. That's all.
Extra Sauce
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"insult, "personal shot", "attack"... I think you are dramatizing.
If it makes you feel better, I don't actually think you put feces in your mouth (ugh). It was a metaphor illustrating the importance of quality over originality. The latter is valuable but for naught without the former.
If it makes you feel better, I don't actually think you put feces in your mouth (ugh). It was a metaphor illustrating the importance of quality over originality. The latter is valuable but for naught without the former.
BlueDogAnchorite
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No I am not. That was a personal attack. I think the Prequels were much better than The Force Awakens. I like those movies for a variety of good reasons.
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The fact that you are just still talking down to me is interesting. I'm not hurt at all.
Future PhaZe
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People say this but an ant man movie, Thor films, black panther... There's nothing safe about these characters.
WadiumArcadium
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And that film about the talking tree and raccoon.
BlueDogAnchorite
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Well, that's because they let Marvel Studios have their own independence. When it comes to the MCU, even the movies I don't like that much tend to have a couple of redeeming qualities to them.
BlueDogAnchorite
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LOL, I wasn't 8 when they came out. Insulting me based on my views on the Prequels is what makes you a 8 year old (mentally)
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
JJ Abrams said:
Ugh. I really dislike this.
Sorry, but as someone who has sat down in a room with people in the creative process, I think this was a genuinely lazy process. If I was there and they were floating this approach I'd say "time out... Bad idea. You need your own unique view on Star Wars. Using the existing template of a film as a crutch is going to irk a large percentage of the fanbase forever".
The movie is alright. But I bet the people that fell in love with Rei, Finn and Kylo would still do so if the film had its own unique settings and structure. The movie is not good for the reason of leaning of ANH at all.. That's its flaw.
Fudgepuppy
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partyphone
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it's a cheap shot but don't let that detract from the matter at hand. the prequels are fucking garbage movies from top to bottom. so while you're entitled to your opinion it is awful.
WadiumArcadium
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I think I'm more forgiving with the prequels than some because they were my gateway to Star Wars when I was a kid, but I felt TFA captured the magic of Star Wars better than any of them. It wasn't as ambitious but it had better performances, characters that I felt more invested in and it made me excited for the future of the franchise again. It has its problems - I'm not a big fan of Starkiller base either - but it was a great start and a good foundation for Rian and Colin to build on.
BlueDogAnchorite
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You fooled me too
Whoops you are entitled to your opinion too, but I find the Prequels to be good films and I thought The Force Awakens to be a terrible movie. Your opinion is also awful.
Fudgepuppy
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I'm sure you've been asked this many times, but what is your take on the Plinkett-reviews?
BlueDogAnchorite
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That's why I'm really looking forward to Episode 8. I'm a Huge fan of Rian Johnston films, and I hope he's going to take more risks. What I'm seeing of Rogue One is making me extremely happy too.
BlueDogAnchorite
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I watched it somewhat and couldn't watch it all the way through. It was extremely insulting.
Fudgepuppy
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BlueDogAnchorite
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I'm sorry dude, but what about the Plinkett-reviews feels insulting to you?
The fact that he uses that dull voice during the whole thing to be insulting. I couldn't get through that video. Not sorry.
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The fact that the Plinkett reviews were just recommended to me is interesting.
Fudgepuppy
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The fact that he uses that dull voice during the whole thing to be insulting. I couldn't get through that video. Not sorry.
Sounds a whole lot like projecting. He used the voice in the Generations review because his normal voice was too boring to listen to for 40+ minutes.
BlueDogAnchorite
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Whoops my bad. But I find interesting how you recommend me those reviews. As if that's going to change my mind. The whole Protagonist of the The Phantom Menace he started going on about? It's actually Qui Gon Jinn.
Subpar Spatula
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I respect the prequels for at least attempting. Fortune favors the bold (except in SW7 case).
CD'S BAR
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You make it sound like a more experimental (to use your word) movie would without a doubt have been worse, and you make it sound as if you like the movie because it got good reviews and made billions of dollars. Some people dislike the movie regardless of the reviews it got and how much money it made, and would have been happy with a better (in their eyes) movie even if it didn't make as much money. There's nothing delusional about it.
Fudgepuppy
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So you missed out the more in-depth stuff that happens after the first 20 minutes in the first review, as well the reviews for 2 and 3 (which in my opinion are a lot better at describing what makes good movies good)?
I'm not recommending them, I'm just saying that I've never met someone who likes the prequels after watching the Plinkett-reviews.
A not very good film(BvS) over a great film that does everything better(CW)???
kunonabi
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I don't need risks necessarily but for me episode 8 is going to need to do something new with the story and universe, not leave so much important info to outside sources and provide well-written backstories for Ren and Rey after Episode VII mostly turned me off of them.
Episode VII is my least favorite film of the series so VIII is going to have to go a long way in me actually maintaining any interest in this trilogy.
Episode VII is my least favorite film of the series so VIII is going to have to go a long way in me actually maintaining any interest in this trilogy.
BlueDogAnchorite
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What makes movies good is subjective in my opinion. Also it's funny how you immediately assume that I wont like the Prequels if I watch the Plinkett reviews. You know what the Prequels did better than The Force Awakens, world building. People act like what he says is fact when it's really just his opinion.
NHarmonic.
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So you prefer a bad movie over a safe one? So the prequel trilogy is better than TFA?
ok.
pretty done
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More like 1.5
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Look at what they're doing with the Marvel movies and you have your answer.
scorcher59
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I certainly hope so, TFA was a good film but it does feel "by the numbers" and more of a coming back into the series kinda film, now that thats out of the way and the characters introduced they should make their own story
Fudgepuppy
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Uhh, I'm specifically saying that I've never met anyone before who liked the prequels after watching the reviews, which means that I'm not exactly denying you of your opinions.
And yes, movies are subjective. I love Neon Demon, everyone else I know hates it.
Difference is that Neon Demon accomplished what it was trying. The prequels didn't succeed at expanding the universe or bridging the stories. At the end of the day, I ignore the prequels because they don't align with the OT, because they aren't exciting movies, and because they feel obtuse and horribly unsupervised.
CD'S BAR
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This is how I feel about it. There's zero reason for Disney/Lucasfilm to not play it safe again. TFA got great reviews and made billions. Risk that for what?
For all the claims being thrown around of the prequels "taking so many risks," I am genuinely curious as to just what kind of things about them people actually think were all that risky.
Beyond the legitimate risk of blowing a lot of time and resources on establishing weird alien locals (which is something that honestly didn't pay off in retrospect when the only setting in the prequels that doesn't look bad now is the one explicitly reused from the OT), you're stuck with three movies sure do quickly fall back on familiar scenes, characters, and themes an awful lot for movies that are supposed to be big risk takers.
Beyond the legitimate risk of blowing a lot of time and resources on establishing weird alien locals (which is something that honestly didn't pay off in retrospect when the only setting in the prequels that doesn't look bad now is the one explicitly reused from the OT), you're stuck with three movies sure do quickly fall back on familiar scenes, characters, and themes an awful lot for movies that are supposed to be big risk takers.
Killer Queen
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You guys aren't going to change each other's feelings or opinions so I don't see why you're even bothering, at this point you're just kinda shitting up the thread.
Let it go.
Let it go.
He wanted to be killed off in Empire. That's why is acting was so bad in RotJ. He didn't want to be there.
Pretty much. They had a franchise to pull from the gutter against the utmost skepticism. Going "we get what good Star Wars feels like" is the best thing they could have done to catch people up and settle fears.
BlueDogAnchorite
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I agree with you on that your opinion is your opinion.
For me, the Prequels really expanded the universe. It showed how the Republic was, and how it fell. It gave lot of info on the Jedi. If anything they fit perfectly with the OT. I really liked the politics. I found it interesting that the Jedi were the cause of their own downfall instead of their downfall being caused by just an outside force.
Wanted to ask, have you ever watched The Clone Wars show? You should watch it if you want, but it's just a recommendation. It's actually my favorite Star Wars, and I feel that the show does lot of things better than all 7 movies. (Hope this not off topic since we are talking about The Force Awakens)
WadiumArcadium
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He didn't really like Han's role in Jedi either.
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