Aidah
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It's funny to me that a Dualshock 4 is better on Steam than it is on a PS4.
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with PS exclusives coming to PC potentially. whats the reason for owning a console now (not named nintendo)
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StreetsofBeige
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Totally.
And as a console, it doesn't tie up using your PC. And vice versa.
The whole "hook your PC up to a TV" means you can't watch TV on it. It's one or the other.
When I use my laptop, I watch TV at the same time. When I use my tv to play Xbox, I have my laptop nearby to skim the net, stream music or whatever.
It's like going to my brother's house where he has a shitty PC hooked up to his TV in the living room. He doesn't play games, but it's there in case anyone in the family want to surf the net or show people family pictures.
One minute your'e chilling out watching sports with 10 people. Next thing you know my sis in law wants to show all the moms, dads and uncles kids pictures. So move over guys, take a break from football or hockey and it's family picture time. Then when they are done, we switch back to sports.
It's retarded to do this on the main big screen tv. They could have used their tablets or office computer upstairs for this.
cryptoadam
Banned
Porn. People watch Porn on their PC, they don't want that shit popping up during some online game or when their kids/GF/parents are around.
Jokes aside its a cost thing. Even though PC gaming is cheaper in the long run there is a more up front cost. You also need to build it yourself to get the best deal or upgrade. And then there is marketing, when you can get PS4 with everything you need usually with games or at a discount price at Walmart or Bestbuy or most any store that sells electronics.
Jokes aside its a cost thing. Even though PC gaming is cheaper in the long run there is a more up front cost. You also need to build it yourself to get the best deal or upgrade. And then there is marketing, when you can get PS4 with everything you need usually with games or at a discount price at Walmart or Bestbuy or most any store that sells electronics.
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
Because neckbeards want a minifridge in their tv cabinet.
JimmyJones
Banned
It’s more convenient. Console peasants are living in the past.
I can probably boot my PC and game faster than it would take a console.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
This has never been true, especially with cross-play and latency.
Silvawuff
Member
I PC game and play on consoles. People that enjoy something seldom limit themselves to like, one of that thing. I am enjoying that more of the same games are appearing across platforms, it's incredibly pro-consumer to have a preference on where you get your game freak on. I sometimes double dip to support a developer I like, or to have more options on where I'll play my favorite games. Consoles will be around for a long time to come.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
1. Playstation games on PC doesn't exist right now
2. SONY has had an incredible run with Playstation for 20+ years, that won't disappear and they're preparing to launch the PS5.
3. PS4 has PS2 numbers
4. PC players generally play PC exclusives (Wow, Rune etc.)
2. SONY has had an incredible run with Playstation for 20+ years, that won't disappear and they're preparing to launch the PS5.
3. PS4 has PS2 numbers
4. PC players generally play PC exclusives (Wow, Rune etc.)
HaveButOneLife
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Doesn't matter IMO, I doubt they'll do the MS strategy, and this isn't even confirmed yet is it?
MeatSafeMurderer
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I like communism because everyone's starvation is equal.
StreetsofBeige
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It's video games. You should know better.
Consumers should have a wide range of choice and performance for cars, phones, kitchen appliances, sports gear, PCs, stereo equipment, lawn mowers, gamepads/mouse/kb, TVs etc....
But for video game consoles, everyone has to have the same thing or else I feel bad some reason.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Because of some BS idea you've gotten into your head that everyone needs to have exactly the same experience (which, with the existance of the enhanced consoles is now officially a pipe dream) otherwise it's not fair?
You might as well give up and embrace the freedom to choose. Sony and Microsoft are. The enhanced consoles...crossplay...mouse and keyboard support...the days of "fair" are behind us...and thank god!
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Exactly.
Ask 100 PC gamers to tell their specs and you'll get 100 different configs. Some will be very close, some will be really different, but you got different everything.
Even if all 100 had the same system, it would still be different vecause PC gamers like to tweak options between visuals and performance and res, so in shooters someone might like 1080p 100 fps, and another guy is 1440p and 40 fps.
And when have you even seen PC gamers argue and want complete parity? Everyone can somehow game together even with spec differences.
PhilipDoesMatter
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Not named Nintendo ... you answered the question before anyone else.
devilNprada
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Really? Is it quiet and can fit in an entertainment center? Serious question..
Explosive Zombie
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My PC is quiet, it's got liquid cooling. Depends on the entertainment center, though.
JimmyJones
Banned
Yes!
johntown
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Some PC online games hacking is a real problem so the free online is not necessarily worth it. It really depends on the game because not all games have issues.
Until at least the exclusives I want are for sure coming to PC I will still get a PS5.
If they come to PC for sure then I will not have much reason to get a PS5.
If the rumor of emulating all previous platforms is true and it is good and allows upscaling etc. that would be another reason for me to get a PS5.
Until at least the exclusives I want are for sure coming to PC I will still get a PS5.
If they come to PC for sure then I will not have much reason to get a PS5.
If the rumor of emulating all previous platforms is true and it is good and allows upscaling etc. that would be another reason for me to get a PS5.
MeatSafeMurderer
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It's almost like a 2080Ti does not a pro-gamer make.
alabtrosMyster
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Good question, it depends on if it happens or not, then how much the console costs/how it performs. Also using windows on living room PC is not optimal.
Sony should make it clear what they intend to do (or not) at some point, the rumors on this are annoying as hell., almost as bad as the ones about the hardware, I just don't know enough to figure out what is FUD and what is true.
Sony should make it clear what they intend to do (or not) at some point, the rumors on this are annoying as hell., almost as bad as the ones about the hardware, I just don't know enough to figure out what is FUD and what is true.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I could get two of those, with that 360hz screen and it would not make me close to good enough to join a tournament, I would need at least the latest Titan card.
yurinka
Member
Jason has been wrong many times and this will be another one.
Yes, to sell games in more platforms would generate for this specific game more revenue (and due to increasing budgets in every new generation this is needed) but Sony won't port Horizon or other games developed in internal studios for strategic reasons, not due to budget or difficulty or having a lot of work required. Modern consoles are basically PCs, so games are typically developed in a pc with the modern engines that also can release games in PC with less efforts than in a console. Porting is not an issue.
The strategic reasons are the same of why Nintendo doesn't release their games everywhere, or why MS keep their games exclusive for Xbox and Windows: these exclusive games add unique selling value to their platforms. In addition to sell games, these companies also sell consoles (and MS Windows + some Windows apps and services) and want to sell these consoles and its services. Specially Sony, because they get money from all games -even 3rd party multiplatform games both AAA and indie- sold in their console (over 1 billion games sold in PS4) and because Sony (the entire Sony, not just their gaming division) main revenue source is PSN and related games and services. So they may want to add unique selling points to their console and PSN, and keep the ones that already work very well (many exclusive PS4 games were the best selling game ever of the studio, its series or even its game genre).
Microsoft is moving their gaming business to other platforms, specially PC because the investment they did all these years with Xbox didn't generate them profits (counting since the start had more costs than revenue) so they try to sell games also in other platforms, and specially Windows with the idea of getting extra revenue and helping their PC OS/apps/services. Even most of the new gamedev studios they recently bought are more focused to PC gaming than to console gaming.
They do a good job on console but they know that can't fight Sony unless Sony had a lot of mistakes in a row as they did with the PS3 launch releasing it too late (over a year after MS), too expensive ($599!), with alien hardware architecture too difficult to develop for (fixed on Vita, PS4 and PS5) etc. And even when Sony fucked it up, PS3 had a rough start but outsold 360. Seems Sony learnt from their mistakes and won't do them again.
So for MS makes sense to release their games on PC and to sell stuff like Minecraft in other non MS console, or even to move their gaming business to PC. But for Sony makes sense to keep their gaming business focused on PlayStation as main hardware and PSN related services. So yes, you may play Horizon on PC through Remote Play or PS Now but not as a game bought on Steam (Sony wants to keep this 30% platform holder revenue share and keep the game as a reason for you to buy PS hardware or PS service like PS Now or PS+).
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Sota4077
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I'm not sure that is what he was getting at. It is not convenient for me to move my PC tower into a position to hook it up to my TV. I just built my house 2 years ago and I had Ethernet drops put into any area where I will have a internet connected devices so I could set it up to be hard wired. All my consoles and my PC are hardwired. My walls all have PVC running through them so I can connect my TV to any device I want without having cords dangling. Meaning I could simply move my PC tower to my living room plug in the HDMI cable that is running through the wall and connect it to the Ethernet cable and be up and running. I've never once wanted to do that in the 2 years I have lived here. It is just not convenient to move a PC tower around. I would love to see you or anyone argue that it is. Instead once every 5-7 years I can spend $500 and get a console where most of the games I would want to play with a controller are available on it. I can turn on my TV change the input to my console and I am good to go.
I just do not follow the logic that moving a PC around is more convenient.
Afro Republican
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As Xbox gamers have been telling Sony fanbois since 2005, that 1-2% of PC gamers that have the specs to run the AA and AAA exclusives don't take away from consoles sales.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Do you move your console around constantly? If not then why would you move your PC? You can just leave it connected to your TV permanently, just like you do your console. I have a PC at the heart of my entertainment setup and I have never once needed to move it around.
Sota4077
Member
Everything you just said is unlikely becomes incredibly likely if just one thing happens. Sony create a PlayStation Store app on PC just like Steam, Windows Store, Epic, GOG or Origin. There is no reason Sony are not capable of doing exactly that. Hell Playstation now is already a move in that direction.
Your whole post reads like a person screaming about their precious console exclusivity being taken away. Something really important to understand is that Sony and Microsoft do not make money on you buying their box. In fact if Sony and Microsoft could keep the same revenue and never have to make another damned gaming box again they would be doing bare-naked backflips down the damn hallways of the corporate headquarters. It is a huge pain in the ass for them. Microsoft are moving towards exactly that. The Xbox Series X is setup like a PC for a reason. Sony, in this rare case, are actually being the trend. Them putting games on PC is just them getting their ducks in a row to move forward with a future where they make more money. They absolutely do not care whether you buy their box. They care that you buy their games. That is all. Sony and Microsoft would much rather manage servers for those games than have to constantly develop a OS for a console box that is only purchased by small numbers of people in the grand scheme of things when you look at total gamers in the world.
Sota4077
Member
I promise, you are in a minority of people doing that. There is still a recognized worldwide "traditional" way that PC's are used and putting them in an entertainment center is not it. Even for PC gaming you are in a minority of people. I have no data to back that up, but I would still place a sizable bet that I am right in what I am saying just based on common sense. Most folks are using their PC for far more than just gaming and most I would wager are not interested in surfing social media or like doing their taxes sitting on a couch unless it is on a laptop intended for that purpose. I use Solidworks on my PC all the time and I have no desire to design 3D objects sitting in a recliner or on a couch glancing to my left at sketches and then back up to my 65" TV. It is just impracticable. So if you have a 100% dedicated PC for PC Gaming and that is all you ever do on it I could see that being more convenient than a console. But anything beyond that, nah.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
My PC isn't used purely for gaming. I don't use social media because it's cancer incarnate, but I do use it exactly where it is for browsing, work, programming, watching movies etc. Paired with wireless peripherals (which are basically on-par with wired these days) it's not only perfectly usable but I'd say it's rather nice, relaxing. You could also just have another machine set up at the TV specially for gaming and one for work in your office. If you can afford a console and a PC you can afford a dual PC setup like that.
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xpresstuning
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I've got my PC connected to both a monitor on my desk and my TV, HDMI cables come in various lengths. I don't have to be near my desktop to use it as an entertainment center.
Self_Destructive
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"You lost a great customer"
"Im going to get a high end PC and start torrenting"
You're trash
Fox Mulder
Member
I have zero interest in pc gaming. Millions of people feel the same. If you love pc gaming, great for you getting more games I guess.
Niked
Member
Yep, just to sting a bit even If they dont care. But I will support the developers after a while. Dont get no sleep over this. The money will be spent to support the developers."You lost a great customer"
"Im going to get a high end PC and start torrenting"
You're trash
Self_Destructive
Member
They're old games... we're not getting anything day and date for a long while. While us PC fans are enjoying and getting into Sony's games on our PCs, console fans will be playing the latest and greatest from Sony. That model works with their business strategy. It's a way to expand the potential audience for their IPs while still focusing primarily on the console players, as they should as the platform holder. Those hardcore fans who need to play their games day 1, or around launch time, will still need a console.
And I'm sure after seeing a potential "Horizon 2" and how much better it will look than the previous gen version.. people wont feel as "threatened".
It's all stupid fanboy shit anyway... but Sony will be careful not to spread it on too thick to begin with and give people time to get used to the idea. The bigger market Sony can sell to.. the better.
yurinka
Member
It was coming... to PS Now, which now is also on PC. So now you can play it on PC. But not to play it natively, or to buy it at Steam or Epic Store.
Following that reasoning, it also would be better to release Halo and Mario on PlayStation because they would benefit of a bigger userbase. And not only Decima engine, all modern engines of this generation (not just Unreal or Unity) behind games that have released on modern consoles (even exclusives to a single one) only, including the engines made by Sony or MS, have game released on PC or are capable to export to PC to test their game while developed.
An example: Sony's PhyreEngine support not only Sony platforms and PC, but also XBO or Switch and even was used to develop a MS console exclusive like Below https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhyreEngine
VFXVeteran
Banned
Are you that much in denial even after it's been an article with no response? Sony *is* making HZD and other 1st party exclusives for the PC without PSNow.
Sota4077
Member
Pretty sure you are textbook "customers" that no gaming company or any company for that matter wants. They would be happy to see you go.
Sota4077
Member
Dude is like the MisterX of console exclusives.
"NO, they're coming, but only on PS Now"
Sony "It's coming to PC, will be on Steam and Playstation Now"
"So it will be ON steam, but you will play it with Playstation Now, see!"
Sony "You will buy it and play it on Steam."
"They're hiding the REAL meaning when they say play and buy on Steam. Playstation Now is going full STEAM ahead. Get it? It will be on Steam in that sense."
Dude sounds like he needs to have some tea and a long walk through the woods to find himself. Games coming to PC has shaken his entire world aparently...
Niked
Member
I have bought a est 6k $ in hardware, software and other stuff playstation in ps4 generation alone. I dont think so.
Also I will buy software for my pc, Its just a anger in beginning that I will express. So go F yourself
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VFXVeteran
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No. I never said that. I just said their will be other games as well coming down the pike.
MeatSafeMurderer
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it_wasn't_me
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So, looks like maybe TLOU 2 in next +2 to years on PC.
Well, if you want to wait for +2 years. Im fine with that
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The Janitor
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So, looks like maybe TLOU 2 in next +2 to years on PC.
Well, if you want to wait for +2 years. Im fine with that
Maybe this is one
VFXVeteran
can't talk about
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