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[Gargus]

whats the reason doe? paying for online when its free on PC?.


or having to deal with constant network updates and shutdowns.

I see no reason to own a console at that point if I can get xbox and ps exclusives on one platform. 2 or 3 games Sony releases a year that might take a while to make it to PC aren't a deal breaker. the deal breaker is having to buy a dedicated gaming machine , controllers, pay premium for console games that cost less on PC and pay for online.

Yes you pay for ps+ but you also get a lot of discounts on games with it, it includes several games at no extra cost a month, and other smaller benefits. You can regularly find it for 40 dollars for a year which makes it not too expensive.

In 2019 alone I think there was 1 time the network was down when I wanted to play and it last about 30 minutes.

Playstation games are generally cheaper than pc games. I can also buy used games, sell mine, borrow one, etc because the games are physically mine and even your physical pc games still use a cdkey. I can buy horizons zero dawn complete right now for 14 dollars on amazon and 8 dollars used on amazon, it will not be that cheap for it digitally on pc when it launches. Physical stores have sales, price drops and bonus offers more often than an all digital platform as well. Skyrim on steam right now is 40 but its 20 brand new physical on ps4 for the same game. So no, pc is usually more expensive than the playstation version and you actually get to keep the game that you can trade or sell later which gives it more value.

 

[nowhat]

whats the reason doe?

Just to personally annoy you.

 

[Cert.in.Death]

I agree with your first statement but the 2nd one contradicts itself.
The Box is the place where games are played.
The Box is the place where licensing fees are obtained.

But it doesn’t have to be. The platform can be all-digital, where the unit serves an essential but non-critical role.

 

[Frito_Pendejo]

How many kids or parents can afford to buy their children a rig? Enthusiasts will always get their fix however they see fit but consoles are just more convenient and fiscally feasible.

 

[Bogey]

As a PC gamer myself - I guess convenience is still somewhat of a thing. Not that it's particularly hard to install games on a PC, but they do tend to be bigger than consoles and fit less well into a living room. And connecting to a TV accross rooms is a major pain in the ass. Maybe even the "not having to worry about whether your specs are enough or not" factor, for better or worse.

Aside from that, multiplayer games might be a reason for some. I can't imagine you'd want to try competing with mouse & keyboard players if you want to relax on your couch with a gamepad.

Lastly, don't underestimate the psychology of cost. Consoles look to be a lot cheaper, just comparing the initial expense. I really think PCs are significantly cheaper longer term, what with no online fees and much cheaper games, but I don't think that psychologically really registers for the majority of consumers

 

[Panajev2001a]

More are coming

Links or insidur status ?

 

[lock2k]

The majority of people I know that play consoles are into Fifa and aren't tech savvy at all (more like tech illiterate). They just want to buy the damn console of their preference and said game and plug the fucking thing on their TVs to play. Why is that so hard to understand? They are people who don't even know what an OS is.

It's like the guitar forum I visit. They wonder why casuals are still playing classic rock with old guitars and using tube amps but they forget they are a super niche audience.

 

[Ten_Fold]

I prefer to keep my PC in my gaming room, while leaving the ps4 in the living room so if I got lots of guest who want to game we all head to the living room to play fighters on ps4. So consoles still are pretty useful for most people.

 

[Cramoss]

Not liking a PC or scared of them, convenience, friends and entry cost, or hell, maybe only ignorance. I don't know.

 

[Genx3]

BMWs, CTSs and Audis are all getting 30 MPG so why is the ultra boring Toyota Camry still the # 1 selling Car?


Consoles are plug n play, cheap and it is easy to get into a game.

 

[VertigoOA]

Will buy the most powerful console then. 11tlfops!!!

However highly tempted to go strictly pc as there were like only two PS exclusives I liked, Bloodborne and GoW... and ... I can live without them.

Depends what kind of couch gaming setup I can get out of a pc....

 

[BigBooper]

Not waiting six years to play them. They are only talking about PS4 games so far, right?

So, players can play these games they missed and be thinking about how many good games PS puts out. PS gets some new revenue that probably wouldn't exist otherwise, and they get some cheap advertisement for the PS brand.

If they start launching PS5 games on PC, then that would be different. I have no idea why they'd do that, and I imagine that will be extremely rare.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Purpose-built hardware with branded features will always be a thing. Some PC gamers appear to lack the ability to think outside of their platform.

 

[VFXVeteran]

How is it that you knew and did not know at the same time? You threw off the burden of responsibility in advance, and now you say that you knew everything.

Because my friend hinted at it but didn't say a "yes" or "no". I assumed yes because of his response. At the awards, I pushed him hard because it wasn't shown, he then told me he wasn't sure but he was sure about another game. So I don't feel I need to be a reporter to you guys. It's not important to me whether you believe or not what I know. I'll always protect my industry friends. It could easily get back to me and I'm not wanting Sony to call me up like what happened to me with Warner Bros over the Matrix movies. Nope.. not happening.

 

[makaveli60]

I buy a console for around 500 € (when it's released) and I'm ok for 6-7 years. Pc always has to be updated but the worst thing is you always have problems error this, error that, incompatibility, graphics errors, fps problems, always have to tinker to just run a f'n game. And the graphics are only marginally better if you don't care too much about resolution and framerate. Though for some reason Pc only gamers always deny that and question console gamers why do they game on consoles. Something like they need constant validation or something...

 

[Belmonte]

Consoles will be very tough sell in my country since, because taxes and other factors, console games are more expensive. Steam is a blessing for us.

Games are so expensive here that middle/long term is way cheaper to have a PC.

You will need to be very serious about playing day one to have a PS5 here. Or hate PC with a passion.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Consoles will be very tough sell in my country since, because taxes and other factors, console games are more expensive. Steam is a blessing for us.

Games are so expensive here that middle/long term is way cheaper to have a PC.

You will need to be very serious about playing day one to have a PS5 here. Or hate PC with a passion.

And that's a good reason why Sony and MS are going PC. In some countries, consoles are normal and every other house on the block has one. The amount of sales growth is limited because the country is already pretty saturated with game systems.

But for countries with big potential for gaming and don't care much for console units, PC/cellphone/tablet downloads are the best alternative for growth.

No different than every company I've worked at (big corporations). The USA is always biggest, but grows at a tepid 3% maybe. But then when the execs tell people about the potential sales from other regions like south america, middle east, and asia, our foothold there is very low. So low that the annual growth lately is 20% per year for 10 years and there's still shitloads of opportunities there. You aren't getting 20% growth from Canada and the US. Maybe 5% if you're lucky. 3% is more like it. The growth is so easy to forecast and stable the company gets into growth rates in the US/Can at decimal places like 3.2%.

Other regions in the world are so open they get blanketed with high targets of +25.00% which look like they made up on a napkin.

 

[Kacho]

Links or insidur status ?

Here you go

There's more guys!!

 

[KungFucius]

Consoles are better for the living room.

Yea you could hook your PC up to a TV, but it's not as convenient of just turning on a console and picking up a controller and playing a game.

This must be coming from someone who has not really tried having a living room PC as their main entertainment hub. I have my PC on 24/7/. I can do whatever the hell I want on it including games. I actually find it inconvenient to switch inputs to the PS4, update the OS or what not, then play. Wireless illuminated keyboard, wireless trackball mouse + XBone controller and It is pretty much the ultimate convenience. It's so convenient I have PCs in both living rooms, though currently only one is good for gaming as the other is waiting for me to get a new GPU so it can inherit the 1080. A key advantage of a PC over a firestick or the smart TV interface is that it is not flooded with ads. I can load up youtube or play a movie without going through the marketing BS that other options have. Loading up the firestick typically spams a few ads and my kid ends up asking me to purchase that movie, etc.

drawbacks:

• sleep mode is hit or miss with some GPUs and Drivers. It seems to be ok now on one of my PCs, but I used to loose sound over HDMI on an older one and my other PC is my plex server so it stays on
• Its hard to find cases and TV stands that work well for your setup. I did a nice mini ITX build and found a shelving unit that was deep enough to house it. My main rig is huge and I don't care.
• Steam sales. You will buy a bunch of games and never play them.

 

[Red_Driver85]

Nope.. not happening.

Ok, we'll see. But I'm sure that Sony without exclusives will seriously suffer, so I do not believe that they will just start publishing games on PC in the desire to earn. No, that doesn't work like that. IMHO.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Im gonna love to see the Pc Master Race port begging the new Uncharted or God of War if what Sony do is just release their old ass Ps4 games 2 years later in PC (like Horizon)

Dont you know? No console game is good until it is ported or announced to be ported in the future. After that happens it becomes the last reason that anyone would have had for that console. At least that's what I've heard from toxic fanboys

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This must be coming from someone who has not really tried having a living room PC as their main entertainment hub. I have my PC on 24/7/. I can do whatever the hell I want on it including games. I actually find it inconvenient to switch inputs to the PS4, update the OS or what not, then play. Wireless illuminated keyboard, wireless trackball mouse + XBone controller and It is pretty much the ultimate convenience. It's so convenient I have PCs in both living rooms, though currently only one is good for gaming as the other is waiting for me to get a new GPU so it can inherit the 1080. A key advantage of a PC over a firestick or the smart TV interface is that it is not flooded with ads. I can load up youtube or play a movie without going through the marketing BS that other options have. Loading up the firestick typically spams a few ads and my kid ends up asking me to purchase that movie, etc.

drawbacks:

• sleep mode is hit or miss with some GPUs and Drivers. It seems to be ok now on one of my PCs, but I used to loose sound over HDMI on an older one and my other PC is my plex server so it stays on
• Its hard to find cases and TV stands that work well for your setup. I did a nice mini ITX build and found a shelving unit that was deep enough to house it. My main rig is huge and I don't care.
• Steam sales. You will buy a bunch of games and never play them.

What if you’re someone like me who uses mid range laptops, uses one tv, when playing console games likes to surf the net when I can, and likes to watch tv when using my laptop.

 

[Ikutachi]

I like consoles because everyone's performance is equal.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I hate left wing arrogance. I hate right wing arrogance.

But I really hate PC-master race arrogance more than anything, because they are the really truly in a delusional bubble that thinks that PC gaming is without massive turn offs. Despite the fact that there are tons of online resources, PC gaming still carries a learning curve that can be frustrating when things don’t work.

1. Cost - to get a PC that offers a better experience than consoles you often have to pay several $100 more. That’s especially true at the beginning of a generation.

2. Convenience - hook it up to your TV with one cable, turn it on and your ready to go

3. Ease of use/less headaches- you put in a disc/download a game and you can with great certainty assume the game will work. That’s for most people, the be all/end all issue.

4. Constant updates- keeping drivers, BIOS up to date, etc. is a hassle for novice people.

5. Troubleshooting - can be a massive pain in the ass. Despite what everyone will tell you, not every issue has a google solution away.

I’ll use myself as an example. I have a 2080Ti/3900X and Assassins Creed Origins is one of the most breathtaking and beautiful games I have ever played. Playing that really felt like I was taking a tour of Roman Egypt.

One day out of the blue, it stopped loading. It would just hang. I spent weeks searching forums, reinstalling drivers, etc. I redownloaded it several times. The Ubisoft forums had no solutions. Nothing worked. Then out of the blue, I found a reddit post where one user moved the game directory to the same drive as the OS. I install my games on a separate NVME drive, but I tried moving it to my main OS drive and all of the sudden it worked. Now please try and tell me that some casual isn’t going to turned off by that.

Yes most games run without issue, but sour experiences are not uncommon.

I do agree that high end PC gaming is the absolute best experience and can provide an experience several orders of magnitude beyond consoles. No disputing that fact.

But even if every single console exclusive disappeared console gaming would still be around and very successful.

It is nothing but delusional fantasy that somehow console gaming would disappear for the reasons I mentioned. PC-elitists truly live in a bubble.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I hate left wing arrogance. I hate right wing arrogance.

But I really hate PC-master race arrogance more than anything, because they are the really truly in a delusional bubble that thinks that PC gaming is without massive turn offs. Despite the fact that there are tons of online resources, PC gaming still carries a learning curve that can be frustrating when things don’t work.

1. Cost - to get a PC that offers a better experience than consoles you often have to pay several $100 more. That’s especially true at the beginning of a generation.

2. Convenience - hook it up to your TV with one cable, turn it on and your ready to go

3. Ease of use/less headaches- you put in a disc/download a game and you can with great certainty assume the game will work. That’s for most people, the be all/end all issue.

4. Constant updates- keeping drivers, BIOS up to date, etc. is a hassle for novice people.

5. Troubleshooting - can be a massive pain in the ass. Despite what everyone will tell you, not every issue has a google solution away.

I’ll use myself as an example. I have a 2080Ti/3900X and Assassins Creed Origins is one of the most breathtaking and beautiful games I have ever played. Playing that really felt like I was taking a tour of Roman Egypt.

One day out of the blue, it stopped loading. It would just hang. I spent weeks searching forums, reinstalling drivers, etc. I redownloaded it several times. The Ubisoft forums had no solutions. Nothing worked. Then out of the blue, I found a reddit post where one user moved the game directory to the same drive as the OS. I install my games on a separate NVME drive, but I tried moving it to my main OS drive and all of the sudden it worked. Now please try and tell me that some casual isn’t going to turned off by that.

Yes most games run without issue, but sour experiences are not uncommon.

I do agree that high end PC gaming is the absolute best experience and can provide an experience several orders of magnitude beyond consoles. No disputing that fact.

But even if every single console exclusive disappeared console gaming would still be around and very successful.

It is nothing but delusional fantasy that somehow console gaming would disappear for the reasons I mentioned. PC-elitists truly live in a bubble.

PC gaming views always skew to the upper tier rigs.

As for me who prefers buying mid range laptops since 2005, I don’t even think it hits the min specs for many AAA games. And if it does, it surely runs like shit.

so how does PC gaming churn out great gaming for people like me?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Here you go

That and Dreams as said then ?

 

[dottme]

My main reason, ease of use. As long as Microsoft cannot get all the driver/bios combined together and all the combination tested, it’ll be easier to keep your console running and ready to play game.

 

[Kacho]

That and Dreams as said then ?

Not just those. Expect even bigger games. You’ll see.

 

[Snake29]

The mainstream will stay with consoles and that's great. I play on both consoles and pc but consoles won't go away....before everything will go into the cloud.

With consoles getting more powerful, the mainstream is not going to build pc's just for gaming. Consoles will always be much more convenient because you don't have to worry about a lot of software related stuff.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

the reasons are, PC is still a pain in the ass.

number one issue is controllers. i can't count how many times i have tried to play Dark Souls 1, 2, or 3, and my controller has stopped working because for some reason Steam changed how they do controllers. or the buttons have changed. imagine starting to play Dark Souls and the up/down left/right on the analog sticks are all swapped! and the buttons are all swapped! and you have to use a third party program to keymap the buttons, yet Steam keeps trying to bypass it. it's a giant pain in the ass.

on top of that, Steam, etc. updating games so that they don't work. for instance there was a period of 6 months where i could not play Dark Souls 2. i had purchased it, played it for 50 or so hours, and then one day, they updated it, and it stopped working. why? i have no idea to this day. i went through the forums. i updated my video drivers. i wasted hours trying to get this to work. then one day, they drop a new patch, and it works.

this has never ever happened to me on any console. i put a game in, it works. i pick up a controller, i press B button, the machine responds correctly.

the reason i went out and bought a PS4 Pro last year, despite gaming on PC, was so i didn't have to deal with all the hassle. there is so much convenience in a console. that isn't going away.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

Kids and parents will always prefer it over a pc

 

[Deleted member 17706]

There are still a lot of people out there who want things to just work. PC gaming has never been easier, and now that installations, patches, and firmware updates, and multiple hardware configurations are commonplace on consoles, the actual experience isn't really all that different, but still, some people just don't want to bother with the idea of caring about what parts might be in their box or doing driver updates, etc. no matter how easy and mostly automated those processes have become. They just want a closed box from one of the big companies that will play games developed for that box without minimal effort.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not just those. Expect even bigger games. You’ll see.

Uncharted 1 - 4, Gravity Rush? We will see, but dreams of PS5 exclusives going bye bye are just... those. Now though, feel free to come back with better status too hehe .

 

[tr1p1ex]

the lines are being blurred. I need native m/k support. I think then I'd probably just get a PS5 and be done with it.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

There are still a lot of people out there who want things to just work. PC gaming has never been easier, and now that installations, patches, and firmware updates, and multiple hardware configurations are commonplace on consoles, the actual experience isn't really all that different, but still, some people just don't want to bother with the idea of caring about what parts might be in their box or doing driver updates, etc. no matter how easy and mostly automated those processes have become. They just want a closed box from one of the big companies that will play games developed for that box without minimal effort.

as a PC gamer for decades, i recent started console gaming for this very reason. i still have issues with controllers, graphics, sound, etc. in PC. consoles on the other hand are a much more plug-and-play experience. the convenience is huge.

 

[LazyParrot]

some people just don't want to bother with the idea of caring about what parts might be in their box or doing driver updates, etc.

I always thought it was weird how some people will literally spend months endlessly researching, speculating and even fighting over minute hardware differences between consoles, only to then claim that they don't want to build a PC because figuring out which parts to get is such a hassle.

They care very much about what's in the box, but they don't want the responsibility of being the one who put it there.

 

[Kacho]

Uncharted 1 - 4, Gravity Rush? We will see, but dreams of PS5 exclusives going bye bye are just... those. Now though, feel free to come back with better status too hehe .

No Gavity Rush is dead and buried. Not enough sales potential with small potatoes like that. Think TLOU and GOW, among others. PC will receive plenty of PS5 games, per comments from Jim Ryan not too long ago. I’ll try to remember you when that happens.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I always thought it was weird how some people will literally spend months endlessly researching, speculating and even fighting over minute hardware differences between consoles, only to then claim that they don't want to build a PC because figuring out which parts to get is such a hassle.

They care very much about what's in the box, but they don't want the responsibility of being the one who put it there.

Yeah, when it comes to enthusiasts who argue about tiny details on forums like this, I find it hard to understand why PC is not their preferred platform for gaming, but I suppose I shouldn't presume to understand everyone's circumstances.

 

[Panajev2001a]

No Gavity Rush is dead and buried. Not enough sales potential with small potatoes like that. Think TLOU and GOW, among others. PC will receive plenty of PS5 games, per comments from Jim Ryan not too long ago. I’ll try to remember you when that happens.

thanks. It will receive games, but you know the angle being pushed is far from that (#SonyToo all exclusives day and date on PC, etc...).

 

[Kacho]

thanks. It will receive games, but you know the angle being pushed is far from that (#SonyToo all exclusives day and date on PC, etc...).

Not day and date. 6-12 months. Bet.

Also

 

[synchronicity]

My dream is that all games that used to be exclusive from Sony/Nintendo/MS are available on PC. It seems that things are moving gradually in that direction. I'd much rather build/maintain my own box than buy one from some other company.

One box to rule them all.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not day and date. 6-12 months. Bet.

Also

That I can believe for some games, we shall see .

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

How many kids or parents can afford to buy their children a rig?

Any kid or parent who can afford to buy their children a console. Building a half decent PC for the price of a console is not only doable, it's not even that difficult. Even if you do decide to go a little more expensive the investment will pay off when you regularly pay 75-80% of the console's price for games on launch...a delta which only grows during PC's often very deep sales on numerous distribution platforms.

I'm tired of this BS "pC gAmInG iS tOo ExPeNsIvE" shit.

 

[Xmengrey]

Not all exclusives are coming to PC...

They will it's only a matter of time if HZD one of the top 5 sellers for the PS4 is coming to PC the rest will follow.

Now to answer OP
Well if your a PC there is no point and really there isn't a point for Sony to sell you one anyway. Sony wants console gamers to play on their console and buy games, accessories, and subscriptions on their console. They do not really care for primarily PC users in getting a PS5 for what would amount to a first time sale at most with them not getting any sub money, or third party license money from PC gamers.

There will always be PC Gamers that simply won't buy a console to play a few exclusive titles it's really not justifiable unless you really want to play those games at a certain point in time day 1.
There will always be console gamers who love physical media, want more simplicity, only play maybe a few handful of games, don't want to do much set up, or deal with Windows or any of that.
There are also people who don't care about either and streaming on phones and other devices could bring them in as well.


Yeah people here question whether or not to get a console due to their exclusive titles coming to PC but ResetERA, NeoGAF, Gaming Facebook, Twitter we are a small minority in comparison to the vast amount of gamers out there most people don't care.
Some people here will strictly become PC Gamers but we are the hardcore, minority of gamers though still profitable enough to sell to and not cannibalize Sony's hardware sales by much since most of those hardware sales are from people who mainly play Madden, COD, and FIFA the real money makers for Sony and MS are those people.

 

[synchronicity]

Any kid or parent who can afford to buy their children a console. Building a half decent PC for the price of a console is not only doable, it's not even that difficult. Even if you do decide to go a little more expensive the investment will pay off when you regularly pay 75-80% of the console's price for games on launch...a delta which only grows during PC's often very deep sales on numerous distribution platforms.

I'm tired of this BS "pC gAmInG iS tOo ExPeNsIvE" shit.

Yeah when you look at software and overall investment, it's not too expensive at all imo. Certainly not worse than consoles from my perspective.

 

[Aidah]

If all games on Xbox and Playstation are also on PC, then yeah obviously I wouldn't buy either. I doubt that will happen though.

 

[Dane]

Seriously, do people here think that consoles sell only because of exclusives?

Its not the PS1 and 2 generations where both consoles had half or more of their games as exclusives , and bear in mind they had many titan sellers that sold more than 5-8 million copies in a year (for the time it was THE numbers), you won't see this anymore, and you can count how many of their exclusives reaches 10 million (what the biggest multiplats franchise do per platform) in that timeframe. Needless to say that the almost all of the third party console exclusives doesn't reach half of that (I think only Nier and SF came close).

The only historical exception to this rule is Nintendo, thanks to their very high attach rate games, they had dominated the top sellers even in the 32-Bit generation.

 

[Frito_Pendejo]

Any kid or parent who can afford to buy their children a console. Building a half decent PC for the price of a console is not only doable, it's not even that difficult. Even if you do decide to go a little more expensive the investment will pay off when you regularly pay 75-80% of the console's price for games on launch...a delta which only grows during PC's often very deep sales on numerous distribution platforms.

I'm tired of this BS "pC gAmInG iS tOo ExPeNsIvE" shit.

When I was done building my PC a few years ago I ended up spending around $1500. At the time that was with an i7 and a GTX 970 (1070 now)set up. This was obviously before the 10 series dropped. Maybe you can build a decent PC for $5-700 but I’ve heard more people talk about this possibility than I’ve actually seen it accomplished. And most of the time when I see these builds referenced it’s used parts sourced from eBay and craigslist. Most of everything I bought was on sale or had a rebate, purchased through microcenter and there was no way I could stay under $1K.

 

[Burrito Bandito]

i own a gaming pc and yet only use it for oculus. I play everything on console because i simply prefer the comfort, ease, and ecosystem.

lets face it, 90% of console users either cant afford to play pc games (too young) or just dont care to spend the $1000-2000 required to even get started when they can spend $400 on a console and be good for 6-7 years

 

[zcaa0g]

Consoles are better for the living room.

Yea you could hook your PC up to a TV, but it's not as convenient of just turning on a console and picking up a controller and playing a game.

I can leave my PC on, pick up a controller and play a game. *shrugs*