DarkLordMalik
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True.
There is also Tyler Perry who has made a name for himself and he is pretty consistent in term of Box Office Gross.
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There is also Tyler Perry who has made a name for himself and he is pretty consistent in term of Box Office Gross.
MHWilliams
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I know that. There's a reason Kevin Hart is a box office draw, Tyler Perry is rich, and we keep getting the same thriller every September from Screen Gems.
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We not gonna slander any of those movies on this holy day.
It'll work because they're all in the movie together! PEMDAS!
I imagine there's some mega Hollywood version already in the works
Oh yea can't forget about Hollywood's newest darling, getting lead roles in mega films like Valarian!
It'll work because they're all in the movie together! PEMDAS!
I imagine there's some mega Hollywood version already in the works
Oh yea can't forget about Hollywood's newest darling, getting lead roles in mega films like Valarian!
DarkLordMalik
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Japan
MHWilliams
Member
Had a great B horror trailer though. But yeah.
I didn't even realize that was supposed to be Latino focused until I just looked up the synopsis.
lightskintwin
Banned
How you gon' leave off Obsessed? LOL
And you saw they tried to answer back with Unforgettable starring Kathering Heigl and Rosario Dawson and only made 15 million in total.
I'm certain they probably thought it would appeal to a wider audience than than the Black versions.
Get Out did gangbusters for a low budget horror movie. I'm talking about seeing the numbers we're accustomed to seeing from the superhero genre.
lightskintwin
Banned
Yeah, you're concerned over nothing.
Oh my Jordan!!!!
Obliterator
Member
Black Panther is going to do very well. It won't gross what WW did (I only mention that because I've seen the two mentioned together a bunch) but it's still gonna do really good
lightskintwin
Banned
People keep mentioning Tyler Perry's success, but Will Packer has been killing the game for years in producing and directing including Girls Trip.
MHWilliams
Member
Warner Bros trying to take Screen Gems' shine.
I think Will Packer left Screen Gems films after No Good Deed. (He did Obsessed, Think Like A Man, and Think Like A Man Too.) But then he went on to produce Straight Outta Compton, Ride ALong 2, and oh... Girls Trip.
Making that money.
EDIT: LOL. Good timing. We on the same page.
What can I say? My faith in the American people has been shaken recently.
The expectation seems to be Spider-Man Homecoming numbers ($300m+) when I feel they should be closer to Winter Soldier numbers.
BP being in Civil War and the bomb ass teaser will help
Obsessed is one of my favorite movies. Damn near heard of dude until now
LordOfLore
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Here's a thought. Spider-Man Homecoming is a hit. But how much of that success does it owe to the fact that RDJ's Iron Man is in the film and featured prominently in the marketing?
A 10% bump? A 25% bump? Or maybe even higher?
Seeing as Iron Man is the MCU's biggest pull whoever they get to co-star (or should that be guest star?) in the sequel
will have less pulling power and that 'bump' won't be there.
So is Homecoming now soundly established to stand on it's own (not worry about the guest star box office bump) or is the sequel going to look weaker with no Iron Man?
To think that at the recent European CinemaCon (I may have the name wrong on that) Jim G told the gathered audience that they expected The Last Knight to be 'the' film of the summer.
With a worldwide gross that's half the previous film they may have to a full year for their next guaranteed hit in M:I 6.
A 10% bump? A 25% bump? Or maybe even higher?
Seeing as Iron Man is the MCU's biggest pull whoever they get to co-star (or should that be guest star?) in the sequel
(my money is on BlackWidow)
So is Homecoming now soundly established to stand on it's own (not worry about the guest star box office bump) or is the sequel going to look weaker with no Iron Man?
To think that at the recent European CinemaCon (I may have the name wrong on that) Jim G told the gathered audience that they expected The Last Knight to be 'the' film of the summer.
With a worldwide gross that's half the previous film they may have to a full year for their next guaranteed hit in M:I 6.
DarkLordMalik
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Homecoming 2 is set and releasing after Infinity War so it is 100% going to get a bump just on this basis. Like Iron Man 3 bump that it received after Avengers.
Like the bump Homecoming got from Guardians 2? Like the huge bump Civil War got from having Spider-Man debut in it?
The core Marvel audience is huge but Homecoming (in the US certainly) didn't expand beyond it and that was with Iron Man thrown in.
I also thought that this might have been a factor. I think Sony maybe played their hand a little strong giving the impression that it's a buddy flick when it isn't.
Obliterator
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Not that I'm that great of a Box Office predictor but yeah I've got my super early estimate at $250 domestic, $300 if it's damn good (which with the talent involved it for sure could be)
I'd be pretty surprised to see it gross over $300 at the top end though
Razgriz-Specter
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DarkLordMalik
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Because it had 3 bad movies behind it. How is it hard to understand?
GOTG 1 to GOTG 2 was an increase. Every Captain movie was increased from its predecessor. I similarly expect a bump going from Homecoming 1 to Homecoming 2 especially now that it is set after Avengers 4, which seems to be a major milestone movie in the MCU.
Obliterator
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The thing to look at comparing Spidey is Homecoming in comparison to Amazing Spidey 2. That's really the only comparison that actually matters
Skiptastic
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Holy shit at that top 4 RT score!
Holy shit at that Dunkirk MC score!
What a time to be alive!
Holy shit at that Dunkirk MC score!
What a time to be alive!
Wow, Planet of the Apes is doing really badly.
Probably the only smart big budget blockbusters in recent memory I can think of off the top of my head. Makes sense that the marketplace would reward them with bomba status.
Guess I should give Fox credit for sticking with the franchise anyways despite never really being megahit status.
Probably the only smart big budget blockbusters in recent memory I can think of off the top of my head. Makes sense that the marketplace would reward them with bomba status.
Guess I should give Fox credit for sticking with the franchise anyways despite never really being megahit status.
Avengers didn't increase between films? How hard is that to understand?
PhoncipleBone
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Overseas gross did though.
By like $50m if memory serves.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Ok. Let me put it that way.
Cap 1 > Cap 2 > Cap 3. All increased.
Thor 1 > Thor 2 and likely Thor 3 will have similar bumps.
GOTG 1 to GOTG 2. Increase in box office.
You listed a single example of Avengers 1 to 2 just to try to prove a point while ignoring the several other examples here. Even if we strictly talk about Avengers, 1 to 2 was a fairly steady gross. 1.5 billion to 1.4 billion. Not a HUGE drop here that I see.
Razgriz-Specter
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So it's the exception that proves the rule. Also you didn't answer my question, how much of a bump, if any, did Homecoming get from Iron Man's appearance? What will the absence of said bump mean for the sequel, if anything?
Ultron made $160m less than the first Avengers film in the US.
Homecoming 2 will be when the Marvel fatigue kicks in.
Personally Avengers 4 will probably leave me so drained that I can do without Marvel for a year or two.
broncobuster
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Maybe that's why it had a big opening and then dropped hard? Who can say.
It's also strange with this Spider-Man featured in Civil War, which did quite well critically and commercially. Perhaps not as well as folks thought, but still, quite well.
Schweinehund
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Was going to see dunkirk but my bro wanted to see Spider-man instead today.
Spider-man was just ok for me. I could have gone without seeing it. The teen aspects weren't as bad as I thought they would be but it kind of failed to make an impression compared to the last few marvel movies (yes, including Dr. Strange). I did like Micheal Keaton and the "twist" was pretty awesome and my favorite part of the movie.
In the spider-pantheon I would say... Spider-man 1 > 2 > Homecoming = Amazing > 3 > ASM2.
Definitely going to see dunkirk next weekend though.
Spider-man was just ok for me. I could have gone without seeing it. The teen aspects weren't as bad as I thought they would be but it kind of failed to make an impression compared to the last few marvel movies (yes, including Dr. Strange). I did like Micheal Keaton and the "twist" was pretty awesome and my favorite part of the movie.
In the spider-pantheon I would say... Spider-man 1 > 2 > Homecoming = Amazing > 3 > ASM2.
Definitely going to see dunkirk next weekend though.
To be fair No Good Deed is dope as fuck.
DarkLordMalik
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There is no way to measure such a bump so I have no idea how you expect me to answer it. But as others have said, the bump likely contributed to the OW and the subsequent drops showed that people were expecting something else in the actual movie in term of Iron Man and Spider-Man team up movie.
That said, even if there was no hypothetical Iron Man, I would say it would be hard for the movie to fail to hit $250 million since the buzz surrounding it was great and it had pretty amazing reviews all before opening helping increase its buzz.
Are we now sticking to just DOM or also talking about WW box office because my comparison was with the WW box office. Ultron still ended up making $1.4 billion which is not that far off from the original Avengers at $1.5 billion even though the DOM gross was lower.
I think most people expected Tony Stark to have more scenes in the movie than Happy fucking Hogan.
The very first trailer for Homecoming ends with Spider-Man and Iron Man flying off to presumably kick the shit out of something and that scene wasn't even in the movie.
Primethius
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I think people are overanalysing Apes relatively poor showing. I just don't think people wanted to see what I'm told is essentially a war at this time given the state of the world.
Mix that feeling with the franchise fatigue that set in for Pirates and Transformers and you have an audience that will probably catch this on a second window like Blu Ray, HBO or Netflix or whatever.
Mix that feeling with the franchise fatigue that set in for Pirates and Transformers and you have an audience that will probably catch this on a second window like Blu Ray, HBO or Netflix or whatever.
But you a Cassandra Cain fan
nhlducks35
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I'm sorry but that sounds like bullshit
The Red Dead Redemption of movies.
Primethius
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Or it could be the opposite. Maybe people wanted a War and got a lousy prison escape instead. Dawn is more deserving of the War title.