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[120v]

last game is about as apolitical as you can get being a game about nazis in the US. only "political" nature is promo materials tapping into the anti nazi/trumpism zietgeist of that year, which isn't a big deal imo

however not a huge fan of nu wolfenstein's narrative focus. though DOOM is still here for mindless shooty bang so if id wants wolf to be yin to DOOM's yang in this regard they can have at it i guess, i just hope wolf 3 is a better game overall

 

[The_Mike]

You are the face of NuGAF.

And thank god for that. It’s nice there’s a bigger diversity between platforms players now than before NuGAF, aka SonyGAF.
(Ain’t calling Pro PS-players for SonyGAF, but before the mass accept of new users it was like 97% Sony users and 3% PC users in here. )

 

[ruvikx]

last game is about as apolitical as you can get being a game about nazis in the US. only "political" nature is promo materials tapping into the anti nazi/trumpism zietgeist of that year, which isn't a big deal imo

That's 60 million or so Trump voters right there which Bethesda practically told "do not buy our game" by insinuating they = Nazis. Not a very smart business decision, right?

 

[120v]

That's 60 million or so Trump voters right there which Bethesda practically told "do not buy our game" by insinuating they = Nazis. Not a very smart business decision, right?

it was shortly after charlottesville "both sides" so i think it went beyond standard identity politics or even trump himself. just hatred, bigotry, ect. regardless of what side you were on it was kind of a watershed moment

not trying to knock trump people but it's not like the ad campaign was that particularly nuanced to shoo them away

 

[Pot Meet Kettle]

What politics was in Wolfenstein 2?

Are we seriously at a point where people feel that games that kill Nazis is BS politics? Hasn't Wolfenstein always been a game about killing Nazis?

I say this as somebody who is frustrated with out constantly offended/triggered.

One of the major selling points Wolfenstein II's marketing tried to emphasize was political commentary on bipartisan current-day US politics, and reframe that as a battle between good and evil. Game journalists applauded this American centric shift, new to the series. It was, in their eyes, what Far Cry 5 could have been.

Thing is, associating half the voters in the US with nazis is a huge stretch to make. For one, the series has been a nazi-killing simulator from day one, so explaining Wolfenstein II's low performance away (compared to all earlier entries) with the excuse that those missing buyers suddenly took offense to the game tearing down nazi ideology, doesn't make much sense.

It's much more useful to look at the factors unique to this entry, which are less gameplay content (just 6 hours of content, and a very slanted cutscene to gameplay ratio), the US setting and picking sides in the current US political divide between republicans and democrats. The story suffered from this and came off like it was ticking a checklist of usual talking points in US political discussions - wheelchair combat in particular (ableism -20 points) reached self-parody levels.
It's a political game, first and foremost, that endorses a political position. Not "nazis are bad" which is universally agreed on at this point, but a position about US politics (trump, blm, antifa, political violence, dealing with a bigot family...) It uses the Wolfenstein engine. Its marketing, and the finished product, is wearing those politics as a badge of honor.
Naturally, those politics are far from uncontroversial and there will be people who disagree (just look at the voting landscape) The marketing threatening anyone who doesn't like the game (meaning agree with the message at this point) with the nazi label didn't help things one single bit.

You know the divide is bad enough that people cringe when hearing a political opinion from the other side.
Now try a position worded in an over-the-top way.
Then say "you're [evil witch] if you don't agree with me".
Then sell the privilege to hear that position for $60.
It doesn't make for a very attractive proposition.

 

[Golgo 13]

Yeah, the political agenda of the game was annoying and unessecary, particular the part where BJ is insulting a Nazi and calls him “a white son of a bitch” or something similar. Like really?

ANYWAY, I still enjoyed some of the game and would like a sequel with a different writer.

 

[TheSHEEEP]

Maybe it will continue the path of the series and part 3 will ONLY have cutscenes and no more actual gameplay at all...

 

[Redneckerz]

Everything about Wolfenstein is either set in an alternative reality or clearly mocking games today. Not Serious Sam kind of over the top, but clearly sarcastical in nature.

So i welcome new Nazi Slaughter games.

 

[Hudo]

This is good news. I liked Wolfenstein 2, even if it doesn't reach up to its predecessor. I was worried that Youngblood and that VR thing were basically signs of the series abandoning the main singleplayer experience, with all the talk about how Wolfenstein 2 didn't sell well etc.

However, I would also like to see Machine Games' take on Quake (singleplayer and all).

 

[Thiagosc777]

However, I would also like to see Machine Games' take on Quake (singleplayer and all).

Hell no. They would butcher Quake too. They'd add 6 hours of cutscenes, adopt American politics slogans for their marketing like "Let's make Stroggos great again" and have mediocre level design and gameplay.

I want a single player Quake, but it needs to be like Doom, i.e., about gameplay and fun.

The last thing anyone needs is Machinegames putting their greasy little fingers on anything even remotely fun.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Hell no. They would butcher Quake too. They'd add 6 hours of cutscenes, adopt American politics slogans for their marketing like "Let's make Stroggos great again" and have mediocre level design and gameplay.

I want a single player Quake, but it needs to be like Doom, i.e., about gameplay and fun.

The last thing anyone needs is Machinegames putting their greasy little fingers on anything even remotely fun.

Well, what did you think of Wolfenstein The New Order? I heard that ones is actually good and perhaps they might go back to that kind of story telling.

 

[DeleteriousObnoxious]

Speaking about quake this is the perfect time to mention the perfectly fan made single player expansion to quake that came out early this year.
in case someone forgot about it Quake: Arcane Dimensions http://www.simonoc.com/pages/design/sp/ad.htm

 

[Hudo]

Hell no. They would butcher Quake too. They'd add 6 hours of cutscenes, adopt American politics slogans for their marketing like "Let's make Stroggos great again" and have mediocre level design and gameplay.

I want a single player Quake, but it needs to be like Doom, i.e., about gameplay and fun.

The last thing anyone needs is Machinegames putting their greasy little fingers on anything even remotely fun.

The problem I see is that id Software are already doing Quake Champions....which I don't like at all (And I was very much into Quake 3). Ideally, they would figure out how to do a proper Quake game and not just put their Doom gameplay into a Quake setting.

But yeah, my ideal dev would also be id Software but I don't see that happening. I could see Machine Games make a good Quake game, however. I don't think they would make Quake into this story heavy, cutscene heavy thing. That formula was fitting to Wolfenstein (Return to Castle Wolfenstein already hinted at that direction anyway, so I see their Wolfenstein games as a continuation of that).

 

[Thiagosc777]

Well, what did you think of Wolfenstein The New Order? I heard that ones is actually good and perhaps they might go back to that kind of story telling.

Did you watch Bethesda's E3? They are doubling and tripling down. There's no going back. The days of having fun with Wolfenstein are long gone.

 

[JimmyJones]

No thank you. First one was great, second was crap. The Darkness 3 please. Also Reeera appears to be leaking with the amount of willfully ignorant replies in here.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Wolfenstein would be better of if the game was more like Doom 2016 than what it is now. The New Collosus has an story that is barely passable with cutscenes that made me cringe more than they should.
They tried and failed.

I can certainly agree with this. I just love that while DOOM 2016 doesn't take itself too seriously, it also has a shit ton of backend lore. I liked the flow better in The New Order rather than The New Colossus, but I can't speak on either too much because while I played a great deal, I didn't even care enough to finish them because I got over it. Still thought the gunplay felt pretty solid and was entertaining though!

No thank you. First one was great, second was crap. The Darkness 3 please. Also Reeera appears to be leaking with the amount of willfully ignorant replies in here.

Man, I wish. But since The Darkness 2 was done by a different team, I don't know where that IP currently exists, but if MachineGames somehow got it, I'd be SO happy. I still love the first one SO much.

 

[HaveButOneLife]

I mean if you keep on insisting that the guy punched in the video is not a nazi and just a random person that I don't like, there is no discussion posible really.

That's a very popular Roman salute, and one can argue that that's just satire. Look, I'm not going to convince you that Richard Spencer is a Nazi and I agree with you that he's despicable, but in terms of playing devil's advocate, he himself has said that he is indeed a socialist, but not a Nazi and he despises Nazis, and it's up to you to believe him. Go after white supremacists not white nationalists, the main difference being that one enforces, yes, racial segregation but with the belief that a certain race (whites) are under attack (by the left) and the other enforcing the belief that a certain race is superior (actual racism and supremacy). It's not rocket science.

I'm not a white nationalist, heck, I despise nationalism to begin with, so before you reply, please don't make blind assumptions.

The Lefts definition of "Nazi" is so broad these days, I can understand why people arent so quick to identify as "anti-Nazi". Im sure Ive even heard Ben Shapiro talking about being labelled as one.

The irony: Ben is Jewish. That's hilarious, and proves why the leftists in this thread are so out of touch with reality. Conservatives are 'Nazis'? Seriously? Insane.

The add campaign made a totally unsubtle correlation between Trump supporters, conservatives... & genuine Nazis. Plus the game itself does a totally unsubtle job at showing white Americans as KKK treasonous Nazis whilst black communists/Antifa of sorts are the freedom fighters.

Also, Wolfenstein's recent entry is one of the only games where I've seen actual murder used as a selling point, i.e. people euphorically screaming "I want to shoot Nazis!" in a literal killing simulator. What the hell is wrong with some people? Wolfenstein is a science-fiction fantasy in which its "Nazis" having nothing in common with the real Third Reich, except the color of their uniforms. A bunch of lard ass gamers would not last long in a real war either, so people should probably cut the crap.

As for Bethesda, they're throwing money at a failing franchise which flopped hard in last outing. I wonder if The Evil Within will get the same leniency after it also flopped? Probably not.

Let's not forget that African American character who was pushing politically correct socialist nonsense.

 

[Avasarala]

This thread is about a video game set in a fictional world. Please return your discussion to the video game itself.

I recognize there are many different aspects that can be discussed about 'a video game,' but the Gaming Discussion is not the appropriate place to do so. I invite someone to please make a sister-thread in Politics, and confine political discussion to that forum.

 

[Harlock]

New Colossus characters are a bit annoying.

 

[888]

Loved the new order. Hated the sequel.

 

[Nivrap]

Fighting Nazis should easily be the most universally uniting experience to build a game around, and yet somehow they managed to make it a divisive mess in New Colossus. Now, I'm hoping they see the success of games like Doom and (unexpectedly) Spider-Man, and decide to go for a more fun-focused experience.

 

[Avasarala]

I still believe the recent Doom remake was a work of art. Are the same people involved with this Wolfenstein project? Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of a... return to the roots... of the series?

 

[CatLady]

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[JohnnyFootball]

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[Gahadmor12]

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[CatLady]

Where did it make all white people Nazi sympathizers? How did I miss this?

Im sorry but I simply did not see this at all.

When they first arrive in America in the town with Joe's Diner you have all these people in their clan suits and hanging with their Nazi pals

 

[TheWatcher]

I like certain aspects of Wolf 2 but for the most part it was several steps below its predecessor in quality. The level design is absolutely atrocious, the story is Tumblr level fan fiction, and the guns, though they look good, are disappointing in comparison to those found in The New Order. The "resistance" characters were fucking insufferable, constantly berating the established charcters from the first game.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

When they first arrive in America in the town with Joe's Diner you have all these people in their clan suits and hanging with their Nazi pals

Im sorry, but this is absolutely false. Totally false. That town was Roswell New Mexico. In that part of the game there happened to be a gathering of Nazi/KKK members in that specific area. Not to state the obvious but a gathering on Nazis and KKK members is going to feature quite a few of both. Under no part of the game did it try to say that was what America was like at that time and even if it did it could have been argued that that was what America had become since, ya know, in the game the Nazis won!

 

[Lionel Richie]

I still believe the recent Doom remake was a work of art. Are the same people involved with this Wolfenstein project? Is it reasonable to expect the possibility of a... return to the roots... of the series?

Different studios. Wolf has been done by MachineGames, former Starbreeze (Escape from Butcher Bay) guys. Fun fact is that they're also a swedish studio like Avalanche, who's doing Rage 2 and Rage 2 looks fucking amazing. I'd feel good with them doing Wolfenstein 3.

 

[Daniel Thomas MacInnes]

Am I wrong to want a modern remake of the original Silas Warner Castle Wolfenstein? I would much rather see a return to the tense stealth action of the original computer game than yet another FPS title.