AngelSoldier
Banned
What is this "IQ" everybody keeps talking about ?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Would you be happy if "Next-Gen" games looked like this ?
- Thread starter AngelSoldier
- Start date
What is this "IQ" everybody keeps talking about ?
Snapshot King
Member
It's short for image quality.
AngelSoldier
Banned
Running real time on today's hardware.
Good for it. Square's FMV's are still better.
Thanks.
Image Quality.
I don't know if the title is supposed to be a trick question. Would I be happy if next gen games looked like high quality FMV that no system can run in real time?
S.. Sure?
herzogzwei1989
Banned
I'd be happy with PS2's FF12 FMV/CGI quality in realtime.
AngelSoldier
Banned
Yes, that is what I mean.
And they have to make the FMV's somehow right ? Just take the computer's they use to make these FMV's and compact them into a console ! Taaa-daa !
LightOfTruth
Member
This thread reminds me, I want to see what the last of us looks like in real-time.
[Clark Gable]
Banned
Nah, SE fmvs? Low tier, now if it were Blizzards CG, than that would be something else.
The_Hitcher89
Member
When will we reach the Holy Grail of gaming? The zenith. The peak. Hair that looks and moves like hair. (Alice doesn't count)
Rahxephon91
Banned
Running real time on today's hardware.
Yes and it looks nowhere near as good as the FMV, you know the point of the thread? The thread asking if you wished future hardware could run games that look like the FMV in real time.
Low tier? Now you're just posting lies.[Clark Gable];34552397 said:
QUOTE=herzogzwei1989;34552326]I'd be happy with PS2's FF12 FMV/CGI quality in realtime.[/QUOTE]
Yeah we have hardly reached that level. Only the best of the best come close.
Naked Snake
Member
Pretty much my sentiment too.
Can't believe people say it's not good enough. Boy are they in for a disappointment.
They really aren't. I've been disappointed in the Square FMV I've seen recently. Not up to what I expect after seeing the kind of stuff done by Blizzard.
Nealand Liquor
Member
That's great and all but I'd like next gen games to be living breathing worlds.
If I'm playing assassins creed and start a fire I'd like the city to burn. If I'm playing ME I'd like the universe NOT to be such empty place with random camps of 15 people inhabiting a planet (or you know the citadel actually being the gigantic space hotel they talk it up to be). If I'm playing GTA and RPG the fuck out of a brick wall, the brick wall splodes the fuck up. Oh and there isn't enough severing of appendages in games.
Right now games are just pretty versions of last gen games (with a few exceptions). I'd hate it if this trend were to continue.
If I'm playing assassins creed and start a fire I'd like the city to burn. If I'm playing ME I'd like the universe NOT to be such empty place with random camps of 15 people inhabiting a planet (or you know the citadel actually being the gigantic space hotel they talk it up to be). If I'm playing GTA and RPG the fuck out of a brick wall, the brick wall splodes the fuck up. Oh and there isn't enough severing of appendages in games.
Right now games are just pretty versions of last gen games (with a few exceptions). I'd hate it if this trend were to continue.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Unless the last WoW expansion had some great cg intro, nothing in Starcract 2 looked as good as XIII's cg.
Edit-That's just wrong. They looked about equall. But I don't think Sqaure is low tier, what bullshit.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Er, what? The FFXIII CG kicks the best looking console games up and down the street.
AngelSoldier
Banned
Is this real life ?
Do you have Eyes ?
This is low tier now ?
For some reason I don't think so. Let the East vs West bias showdown begin !
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Wait, are we having the whole "rendered CG can be real-time next-gen" discussion again? Oh god. :/
Nealand Liquor
Member
It already started from both sides on page one.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
This thread makes me ponder whether anyone has actually played FF XIII. Sure it's not the greatest game, but the production values of their CGI scenes is incredibly good, to suggest that next gen graphics can even approach that level of graphical fidelity AND animation that Square churns out on a god damn render farm is pretty laughable. I mean the game had CGI scenes like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJxXtjOjIo We aren't getting visuals like that.... ever.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Cool. Because FF is more Square.
AngelSoldier
Banned
Right ?
I think "ever" is a bit much. Besides I was asking if people would be happy with those visuals not whether or not it's possible ...
I answer that question with a No in my past post.
I guess I should correct myself.
The FMV of FFXIII-2 do sometimes looks better than the Witcher 2 but yet again, only sometimes.
Already FFXIII running real time on the PS3 does look very similar to that FMV, and for a next gen system I want much more besides 1080p/60fps.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Well these smply are not true.
PinkCrayon
Member
Would you be happy if "Next-Gen" games looked like this ? In Real time ? As in, these FMV scenes would be in-game actually happening as you play graphics.
I would. Square Enix makes beautiful FMV's and I would absolutely be pumped if next-gen Final Fantasy's were rendered in real time this beautifully.
Good grief. I can feel the angst seeping from those screenshots. But yes, they look nice.
AngelSoldier
Banned
ThisCantBeReal.jpg
Are you a troll ? Is there Hidden Camera's here ? What is this ? Do your eyes work ?
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
hahaha <3
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Zelda Wii U gifs are like the Nintendo fan's Killzone gifs.
Rabbit Clock
Banned
Looks pretty nice to me. The catgirls neck looks kinda funny to me, though.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
No matter where they came from, it would still be a great example of how much can be done with a tiny budget.
The Assassin's Creed series seems to have convinced a lot of people that no one can compete unless they have hundreds of people on their team.
Fair enough. Although I don't see thousands of moving people with AI.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
IF any game came out like this today, i would give it zero out of ten for graphics.How about if this is what GTA6 looks like?
Those are some of the worst textures ive ever seen.
This is 2012, Normal maps, Parallax Oc and Displacement maps should be standard...every game without them should be banned immediately.
More on topic, am I the only one who doesnt really like the look of Squares FMVs?
Poly count is only half the fight.
They dont really do anything for me
If you compare model to model, they will of course look really close, the last of us's footage already look really good, it's like comparing Silent Hill 2's models to dragon age 2, SH2 still look a generation ahead of DA2.
If you watch the 1080p cutscenes with bigger scale, we're still far off off from ffxiii's cgi, for example cutscenes involved gran pulse and the action scene of them returning to cocoon.
If you watch the 1080p cutscenes with bigger scale, we're still far off off from ffxiii's cgi, for example cutscenes involved gran pulse and the action scene of them returning to cocoon.
AngelSoldier
Banned
As I pointed out, for Western developer's the only FMV's I've seen were like the Halo 3 ads. In specific that 1920 x 1080 screenshot I chose.
So if you don't like Square's, there's Bungie I guess.
I was thinking the Diablo III intro actually. Just watched some XIII CG to refresh my memory, and it's definitely better than what any game does in real time at the moment, but a good portion of that is down to the fluid animation and camera cuts, which is much harder to do in real time. The characters don't look especially detailed to me, and the effects aren't that much better than what Hard Reset does in real time.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
Exactly, from a model comparison basis you may have an argument, but that is to neglect that a Square CG scene can have hundreds of these characters, all animating perfectly, not to mention the offentimes incredibly complex scenery, and crazy particles from explosions and metamorphosing enemies/machinery/Aeons and perfect 1080P IQ. It's the complexity of the entire package that is not realizable. Hell, it'd be very difficult just to animate a few characters as convincingly in real time as what Square achieves with their CG. The way we currently animate clothing and hair isn't anywhere near that stuff
EricDiesel
Member
If anyone expects CGI trailer quality from even the PS4, hooo boy are they looking to be disappointed. I expect only a tiny step over things like Witcher 2 PC or that Zelda demo. Things like better textures, better lighting, more anti-aliasing, more objects on screen, steady 30fps in higher detailed games, 60fps in games that need it... Not exactly Pixar/Avatar level shit, here. Just logical leaps in current graphical techniques.
And both are graphically impressive, so I can see why they would take pride in them.
And both are graphically impressive, so I can see why they would take pride in them.
If they show some great games at E3 I'll bite.
Mailenstein
Member
I would rather have better clothing physics. Atm it's more or less shit.
hydragonwarrior
Member
Quite a bit of Bilzzard's intros are freaking amazing (I still remember World of Warcraft 3's FMV's... damn)
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
They need a pipeline that can automatically turn high poly assets into ingame assets.
Whether or not that's by using the high poly assets themselves as the models, or by developing middleware that doesn't futz around with this shit.
And also a pipeline that allows for baked lighting that can morph and be modified by dynamic lighting conditions (maps bakes it at 30 minute intervals for sunlight, then somehow merges the lightmaps over the course of the day).
Basically, next-gen will be about making it easier for content creators to make their stuff.
Whether or not that's by using the high poly assets themselves as the models, or by developing middleware that doesn't futz around with this shit.
And also a pipeline that allows for baked lighting that can morph and be modified by dynamic lighting conditions (maps bakes it at 30 minute intervals for sunlight, then somehow merges the lightmaps over the course of the day).
Basically, next-gen will be about making it easier for content creators to make their stuff.
Impressive is relative. KZ2 was impressive for a console from 2006 sure. Zelda is more of an omen.