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Xbox One Install Times are laughably horrible.

LiquidGotti said:
Its people like this who don't even own a PS4 that are annoying as hell. These are the same people who say 900p and 1080p are the same that no one can tell the difference. smh
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Not really. For the most part nobody would ever know the native resolution of any game unless someone told them. Install times and load times are readily apparent.
 
Silent Chief said:
Let's be honest. GTA IV and MGS IV installs were completely new experiences.

In the original Tekken port for Playstation you could play Galaga while the game was loading. They should try something like that for installs.
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I played GTAIV in my 360 so can't comment.

The MGSIV install time was long but I don't remember it taking a long as most XB1 installs.
 
driver116 said:
It's not even dedicated hardware. It's just a system of preparing a game for install so you can play while it installs. (Like the first level for example).

Very simple, yet very effective.
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Chip, or method, thats the way it works on the ps4. it cant be mimicked by the xbox one, otherwise they would have been done it.
 
watdaeff4 said:
I played GTAIV in my 360 so can't comment.

The MGSIV install time was long but I don't remember it taking a long as most XB1 installs.
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MGS IV was painful because of how it installed each chapter, basically interrupting the experience.
 
ReBurn said:
Not really. For the most part nobody would ever know the native resolution of any game unless someone told them. Install times and load times are readily apparent.
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dude we can tell, the people who say they cant tell either don't want to be able to tell the difference because of denial OR haven't played those games in 1080p on the ps4. Just look at the beta for Black Ops 3. everyone notices that the xbox version is less than 1080p. Its because a lot of people were playing the ps4 beta first before playing the xbox one. if everyone played the 1080p version of any game on the ps4 first, then went over to the 900p version of the game on xbox one, they would be able to tell the difference. Its because of the fact that not everyone owns a ps4 and the xbox one versions of every game that people say they cant tell the difference. because why would you own two copies of one game.

thats almost 600,000 lines of resolution you are losing. its noticeable.
 
PS4 UI only shows the install time for the bare minimum to launch. If you to go options -> more info you'll see that the game size is still getting bigger over time.

Xbox One install time in the UI includes the full disc and patch. I haven't bought enough XB1 disc games to know if it lets you launch the game before it's fully installed but I think so.
 
infinityBCRT said:
PS4 UI only shows the install time for the bare minimum to launch. If you to go options -> more info you'll see that the game size is still getting bigger over time.

Xbox One install time in the UI includes the full disc and patch. I haven't bought enough XB1 disc games to know if it lets you launch the game before it's fully installed but I think so.
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it takes longer for the xbox one version to let you play.
while it takes the par maybe 60 secs to let you play a game, the xbox one takes 15 mins or more MOST of the time
 
LiquidGotti said:
dude we can tell, the people who say they cant tell either don't want to be able to tell the difference because of denial OR haven't played those games in 1080p on the ps4. Just look at the beta for Black Ops 3. everyone notices that the xbox version is less than 1080p. Its because a lot of people were playing the ps4 beta first before playing the xbox one. if everyone played the 1080p version of any game on the ps4 first, then went over to the 900p version of the game on xbox one, they would be able to tell the difference. Its because of the fact that not everyone owns a ps4 and the xbox one versions of every game that people say they cant tell the difference. because why would you own two copies of one game.

thats almost 600,000 lines of resolution you are losing. its noticeable.
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What the hell is happening here... How did this go this route? Please both of you, stop it, this is not the right thread.
 
I've been starting to spend time on my Xbox One finally and I've got a question for everyone related to the game installations.

If I put a disc like Gears of War in and it reports that it needs an update then the disc has to stay in the drive in order for the update to download/install doesn't it? The reason I ask is that I was trying to think of something else to play while the update was downloading but all of my games are on disc so I wasn't sure if that was possible. If that is how it works can you leave the system in standby with a disc in and it will download the updates for that title?
 
LiquidGotti said:
Nah, its a hardware issue, it will never get fixed.
The big reason why sony had a grasp on it this generation is because the they used blu ray first on the ps3, so they already knew how bad install times were in that generation, now with the ps4, they found a new way to make sure players will get into their games faster. The "Play Go" chip allows a TONE of the game to be downloaded off the disk in the first 60 sec, then it allows the player to play, then while the player is playing, it is installing the game in the background. This is all because the of the "Play Go" chip that Sony and Cerny built for the ps4.
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It's really not magic dude. Blizzard has been doing it for a decade with their games.
 
Novel Mike said:
I work at Gamestop and I can say during the holidays I got that exact question about 20 freaking times a day, I ended up changing my phone greeting to "Thanks for Calling Gamestop and yes the xbox one installs take a long time, this is _____ how can I help you?" the day after Christmas, people laugh but between that and people complaining about the servers being down it was a giant clusterfuck.
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Hehe You must be very patient sir.

Can't believe that Microsoft did something worse than Ps3 installs. And I thought 15 minutes to play DMC 4 was terrible
 
infinityBCRT said:
PS4 UI only shows the install time for the bare minimum to launch. If you to go options -> more info you'll see that the game size is still getting bigger over time.

Xbox One install time in the UI includes the full disc and patch. I haven't bought enough XB1 disc games to know if it lets you launch the game before it's fully installed but I think so.
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It does, but normally into a very limited instance of the game. PS4 allows you to play the whole game inside of a minute. It continues to install the whole game in the background while you play. So while you're correct that the PS4 may take a longer time to install than the 30 seconds that the user experiences, does it really matter?
 
LiquidGotti said:
dude we can tell, the people who say they cant tell either don't want to be able to tell the difference because of denial OR haven't played those games in 1080p on the ps4. Just look at the beta for Black Ops 3. everyone notices that the xbox version is less than 1080p. Its because a lot of people were playing the ps4 beta first before playing the xbox one. if everyone played the 1080p version of any game on the ps4 first, then went over to the 900p version of the game on xbox one, they would be able to tell the difference. Its because of the fact that not everyone owns a ps4 and the xbox one versions of every game that people say they cant tell the difference. because why would you own two copies of one game.

thats almost 600,000 lines of resolution you are losing. its noticeable.
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I see. So you're one of those people who play their games side by side on both PS4 and xbone so that you can readily tell the difference, right? You're kind of full of crap.

If the IQ is high enough you wouldn't see the differences unless you were literally looking at the images side by side. Sure the images would look different when doing that. But most often the info comes from people reading Digital Foundry articles and swearing that they can tell. If you only saw it on one console you would never know.
 
Did we ever get any info on why GTA 5 installs the way it does? I thought maybe they needed more resources than was set aside for background installs but it doesn't seem to be doing anything special like heavy decompression as the full install is 50GB.
 
ReBurn said:
I see. So you're one of those people who play their games side by side on both PS4 and xbone so that you can readily tell the difference, right? You're kind of full of crap.

If the IQ is high enough you wouldn't see the differences unless you were literally looking at the images side by side. Sure the images would look different when doing that. But most often the info comes from people reading Digital Foundry articles and swearing that they can tell. If you only saw it on one console you would never know.
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Just look at his post history, that should tell you everything about him.

On topic, the new dashboard apparently fixes the installation issues. Phil said that they were working on a way to make installations faster. Microsoft have been killining it in software, I have no doubt they will surprise people when the dashboard launches.

Also, how do people not know by now that the console downloads patches before it installs the disc? All you have to do is go offline and the disc installs in 5-10 minutes, then go online and download the patch.
 
loaf of bread said:
Holy shit how is this a thing. I mean they've always been slower than PS4 but the degree to which they are is INSANE. I'm sitting here for the last 30 minutes waiting on MCC to install and its still not done. This has been the case with most other games too, Ryse took like an hour. This isn't even for full install, its just for partial to get it to start.

And then you have PS4 where no install of any game takes more than 10-20 seconds at the most. I mean its not even like PS4 takes 10 minutes and Xbox takes 20. The XB1 literally takes almost 100 times longer to install than PS4. Why is this?
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But you can multitask and snap things while you wait for 2 hours! Isnt it wonderful?
 
I don't know, aside from Ryse on day one which had more data to be patched than it was on the disc itself, my experience so far has been good.

I'm only buying digital, and since my internet is really good, it takes no more than 30/45 minutes to download and install even huge games.

The PS4 might be faster, but when you factor in shitty PSN performance, it's a moot point.
 
Yeah agreed about the install times, they're crazy long for some reason. Then again I do have a mediocre internet connection. Luckily the MGS V preload has been up for a while now, so I'm downloaded and ready to go.
 
ReBurn said:
I see. So you're one of those people who play their games side by side on both PS4 and xbone so that you can readily tell the difference, right? You're kind of full of crap.

If the IQ is high enough you wouldn't see the differences unless you were literally looking at the images side by side. Sure the images would look different when doing that. But most often the info comes from people reading Digital Foundry articles and swearing that they can tell. If you only saw it on one console you would never know.
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But.........Thats the point.......There is a NOTICEABLE difference.
What most people denial say is that "there isn't a difference at all"

The whole point of my post is that There Is A Difference, PERIOD that is noticeable to the naked eye.. Whether anyone likes it or not.

The reason people READ DF is because not everyone has a ps4 and a xbox one to look at side by side. So for people to get the best version DF helps because they have both versions.

Get it now?
 
ReBurn said:
Not really. For the most part nobody would ever know the native resolution of any game unless someone told them. Install times and load times are readily apparent.
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Not necessarily.

I buy all digital on XBO and I never notice the install times at all. Likely because the games just install by the time I get home from work.

So while the XBO may be slower at this for who knows what reason, that doesn't mean that it actually matter to anyone of that it functionally has an effect / makes a difference.

Case in point, my Gears Ultimate was just ready to go when I got home to play it on launch day. I'm sure the same will happen with Forza 6.

I did however get BF4 and Ryse on disk as gifts. But for those all I did was make a mixed drink and watch Netflix for a bit.
 
Missile Defense said:
Not necessarily.

I buy all digital on XBO and I never notice the install times at all. Likely because the games just install by the time I get home from work.

So while the XBO may be slower at this for who knows what reason, that doesn't mean that it actually matter to anyone of that it functionally has an effect / makes a difference.

Case in point, my Gears Ultimate was just ready to go when I got home to play it on launch day. I'm sure the same will happen with Forza 6.

I did however get BF4 and Ryse on disk as gifts. But for those all I did was make a mixed drink and watch Netflix for a bit.
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Digital games install as you download them. You don't need to wait after they finished downloading to install.
 
Honestly I've never had an issue with XB1 install times. I've never found the actual disc transfer of data to be much different from the PS4. Most of the added install time comes from the fact that they include update downloads in the install process. If you decline the update or have decent internet speeds then it really isn't much of an issue.
 
etta said:
Also, how do people not know by now that the console downloads patches before it installs the disc? All you have to do is go offline and the disc installs in 5-10 minutes, then go online and download the patch.
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So what you're saying is it's our fault?
 
Yoday said:
Honestly I've never had an issue with XB1 install times. I've never found the actual disc transfer of data to be much different from the PS4. Most of the added install time comes from the fact that they include update downloads in the install process. If you decline the update or have decent internet speeds then it really isn't much of an issue.
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To this guy 30 seconds = 15 minutes for some reason.

Big issue here is disc based games, on PS4 you put the disc then 30 seconds later you are playing the game. X1 you put the disc you wait 15 minutes to play.

Thats a big difference for sure
 
driver116 said:
So what you're saying is it's our fault?
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It's your fault that you don't know there's an alternative solution, not that discs take long to install by default. I mean, it doesn't even require much research, just Google "xbox one long installation time" and you'll have dozens of reddit threads with the fix right there.
We live in an information age, research should be one of the first things one does.
I apologize if I sound too frank or rude, not my intention.
 
etta said:
It's your fault that you don't know there's an alternative solution, not that discs take long to install by default. I mean, it doesn't even require much research, just Google "xbox one long installation time" and you'll have dozens of reddit threads with the fix right there.
We live in an information age, research should be one of the first things one does.
I apologize if I sound too frank or rude, not my intention.
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Right, it's my fault, gotcha.
 
It's a bit of a shame that you're not given the option of installing the game and doing updates later OR doing everything all at once since it is apparently so much faster to do one then the other. Personally, I've only had one long install of the type that people seem to speak of as being routine on forums (GTA V) but it was pretty annoying. Normally, I put the disc in as soon as it arrives, go do something else for 20 minutes and everything's ready to go, I don't bother disconnecting from the internet or any other tricks that people recommend.
 
etta said:
It's your fault that you don't know there's an alternative solution, not that discs take long to install by default. I mean, it doesn't even require much research, just Google "xbox one long installation time" and you'll have dozens of reddit threads with the fix right there.
We live in an information age, research should be one of the first things one does.
I apologize if I sound too frank or rude, not my intention.
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Are you kidding me? MS should know better plain and simple. This is what they do for a living, but people need to google alternate solutions for this to work properly? MS is at fault here. Theres no excuse for this.
 
Portman said:
I've been starting to spend time on my Xbox One finally and I've got a question for everyone related to the game installations.

If I put a disc like Gears of War in and it reports that it needs an update then the disc has to stay in the drive in order for the update to download/install doesn't it? The reason I ask is that I was trying to think of something else to play while the update was downloading but all of my games are on disc so I wasn't sure if that was possible. If that is how it works can you leave the system in standby with a disc in and it will download the updates for that title?
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Yes, you can leave the disc in standby and it should download the updates for the background. This means though that it has to have the instant on feature enabled.
 
I never installed a game by disc in my XB1. However my cousin told me his Call of Duty Modern Warfare took hours (I guess something between 6-10 hours) to install.

I dont know if he did something wrong and the game was downloading, but indeed thats a HORRIBLE install time. One of the reasons I keep away from buying physical media for XB1.
 
Kssio_Aug said:
I never installed a game by disc in my XB1. However my cousin told me his Call of Duty Modern Warfare took hours (I guess something between 6-10 hours) to install.

I dont know if he did something wrong and the game was downloading, but indeed thats a HORRIBLE install time. One of the reasons I keep away from buying physical media for XB1.
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Well, if its on launch day and theres a big patch with it as well, i can see that happening.
 
Gnome Scat said:
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MCC took me 12 hours.
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What's oversdrive?
 
I don't know why people go offline to install games...it literally asks you if you want to download the pagch and you say no. It installs the disk and then you can patch if after.
 
VincentMatts said:
Well, if its on launch day and theres a big patch with it as well, i can see that happening.
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He bought it quite a while after launch. Maybe there was a bunch of updates to install with it? Worth mentioning his internet has not a good download speed.

Next time he buys a disc based game I'll recommend him to turn the Internet off in his console to see if he gets better install times.
 
In my experience thus far w/ both my Xbones the install times are excruciatingly bad when the system is hooked up to the internet. This is apparently bc MS designed the Xbone install process to download patches first before installing from a disc. If I unplug my Ethernet cable (going into settings and turning off the connection works fine too) games install in minutes. Then I go back online and download patches. I've installed 10 or so games from disc w/ the same result.

Why exactly MS designed the install process this way is a head-scratcher (and I dont think MS/Phil has commented on it publically). But AFAIK its a problem w/ a relatively easy fix. It might not work to speed up every game, but so far its worked for me.
 
Kssio_Aug said:
He bought it quite a while after launch. Maybe there was a bunch of updates to install with it? Worth mentioning his internet has not a good download speed.

Next time he buys a disc based game I'll recommend him to turn the Internet off in his console to see if he gets better install times.
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I didnt play that one on xbox so i dunno. I usually preorder and the games preload and are ready to go on launch day.
 
VincentMatts said:
Are you kidding me? MS should know better plain and simple. This is what they do for a living, but people need to google alternate solutions for this to work properly? MS is at fault here. Theres no excuse for this.
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You're right, there shouldn't be a need for people to research for fixes. But there is, so what are you going to do? Complain about it and live with the problem? Or complain about it and then try to do something about it, research to see if there is even a partial or total fix?
There's lots of things in life that don't 'just work' as they're supposed to, but sometimes you can do something about it.
As I said before, we live in an information age, knowledge can be quickly and easily gathered.
This doesn't excuse Microsoft not having a fast method by default, it's just about what you will do about it.
Dr_LucienSanchez said:
To be fair though, that's somewhat humorous coming from you.
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Are you referring to the content of my comments or in which sphere my comments take place? If it's the latter, I stick to Xbox threads because it's my preferred console, so I don't see a reason to butt into Nintendo/PS/PC discussions. But I will ocassionally dabble my foot into threads for the likes of Uncharted or TLOU, or some PC games like CS GO.
 
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