StriKeVillain
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It's atrocious and a reason I choose to game mostly on PC/PS4 despite loving the XBO controller.
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Xbox One Install Times are laughably horrible.
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VincentMatts
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I play them on ps4 too, i only play exclusives on xbox. But ps4 can have slow downloads too.
Tripolygon
Banned
I was going to say the same thing. Hell only a few post up he blames the customer and not the console maker who designed the installation system.
On a side note, PS4 downloads have been consistently faster for me than PS3 and I'm on a crappy Uverse DSL 18Mbps down network.
TimorousPanda
Member
Sunset Overdrive took forever for me, but the game was well worth it in the end.
These install times really wouldn't have bothered me had I gone straight from my PS3 to my Xbox One, but it's pretty annoying when compared to my PS4 which I got between the other two.
These install times really wouldn't have bothered me had I gone straight from my PS3 to my Xbox One, but it's pretty annoying when compared to my PS4 which I got between the other two.
thatJohann
Member
one of the reasons, I said, not exclusively because of that. I already have a ps4 and going into xbone and seeing the horrible UI, crazy game install times and overall clunkiness made me pack it up and return it.
i might pick it up again when the new UI is out and tomb raider is out. hopefully they will have fixed the install times as well.
Glorious Ownage
Member
Yeah they really suck. Took so long to install gears before it was playable.
VincentMatts
Member
Honestly man, if i wasn't such a halo fan i probably would have done the same. I hate this UI passionately to the point where i despise using the console. I just dont understand who thought this was a good idea. Didnt anyone use it there?
Uno Venova
Banned
Wow I didn't think it was still bad. I wonder if they can even significantly fix it this generation.
Snatch1414
Banned
Don't get the Ui stuff. It's a bunch of big and small boxes that lead to what you're looking for. I never had a problem with it other than getting used to something new for a couple days upon release. There's one right in the Home page called Games & Apps. What's the big issue
VincentMatts
Member
Its just not enjoyable to use. Kinda like Win8 was at first. Yes, technically there was a "start menu" at the bottom left of the screen when you put your mouse there, but they made it so unintuitive that no one enjoyed using the OS until 8.1. To me, this UI gives me that same feeling. I dont enjoy using it, i dont like how everything snaps like the chat and messages, i dont like how the B button reacts, i dont like how slow it is. I dont like much about it tbh.
Its stupid to say, but a lot of what makes a UI great is how you feel when youre using it. If youre constantly aggravated by it, its no good.
diffusionx
Gold Member
It's slow. Getting around is not intuitive. I set it up so it's kind of ok but there's a reason why they are revamping it.
Edvardelis
Member
infinityBCRT
Member
That is NOT true for PS4 based on my experience. See: Watch Dogs, NBA 2K14, FIFA 14, NHL 15, and more. Watch Dogs on PS4 only let you play the tutorial. NBA 2K14 let you play an exhibition game with stripped down features, same goes for FIFA and NHL.
Lol this thread. How can people seriously say "it's the users fault, Google the problem and see that you just go offline and it is fine". That's not a real solution. Why should you go offline to get decent install times. This is 100% an issue that MS has to address and fix and admitting that isn't somehow compromising your console warrior stance. It's trying to point out a place where MS can better improve the users experience and make a better console.
Yes consumers should complain about it. It's called feedback and it's the only way a product improves. PS4 first play installations are good in part because of the feedback from PS3 consumers where they were a hindrance to the experience.
A good product should never force its users to find solutions on their own.
This is entirely on MS to resolve not the consumer. I know the workaround is relatively straightforward but it doesn't mean MS should be free from criticism. For the all the 'incompetent' users who don't know how to use the full power of the information age, and frankly they shouldn't have to, MS should endeavor to make the installation and 'first play' experience a great deal better. First impressions count after all.
The ball was dropped on disc based installations, no question about it, telling consumers that they need to figure out a solution for themselves is not the answer.
You cut off the bolded part right before the section that made up my point.
Do you see how both alternate results have "Complain about it"?
My whole point and argument was about whether the consumer can do something about it. My argument is not about whether the consumer should or should not blame Microsoft.
It doesn't matter, though. You were the only that almost understood my point, the others didn't read it carefully and called me a fanboy. I can't really take what they say seriously when they're not reading my comment as a whole.
Because downloads are so much faster for the general population. Also why would I pay the laughable prices MS is charging for digital?
Does MS has some sort of digital markup I'm not aware of?
Well I can buy MCC today for 25 physical or go for the "cheap" 69 digital version.
Useless? You can resale it and it installs much faster from disc for most people. Preloads are an advantage for digital but not every game offers it. Physical also usually drops in price much faster than digital and to a much lower price.
...Scatter...
Banned
I recently installed madden on the XBO and it installed the game and patch in just a few mins. I guess these things are case by case. The day one patches are probably the biggest culprit.
Maybe they compress the games a different way? Hell, if I unzipped 30-40 gigs on my PC it would take a while...
I don't know about you but I rather have a longer install time then the terrible network speeds of the PSN, I think the last time I dusted off my PS4 it felt like it was running at 600kb/sec, then its like NOPE.. to STEAM @ 19mb/sec.
I don't know about you but I rather have a longer install time then the terrible network speeds of the PSN, I think the last time I dusted off my PS4 it felt like it was running at 600kb/sec, then its like NOPE.. to STEAM @ 19mb/sec.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I bought Gears Ultimate on disc. I put the disc in and was immediately prompted to update. Within a couple of minutes the "ready to start" notification popped and I started the game. I watched the opening cinematic and selected the campaign. Then I was prompted that not enough of the game had installed to play and it asked me to prioritize whether I wanted campaign or multiplayer first. I was annoyed that I couldn't actually play the game even though it let me boot it.
It's not the first time I've had a game tell me that it was ready to start but I couldn't play it because it was still installing. MK X on PS4 did it to me, too. Started up but couldn't play because game modes were still installing. Game modes installed, but then the characters weren't there.
I've seen BS with installs all over the place.
This is true, but that's a problem with every digital/retail publisher, not just MS. This will never change imo until retail stops being important to publishers. There is too much of a strangle hold.
OnionPowder
Member
Very wrong. People who have GCU at Best Buy are getting all their games for $48 instead of the flat $60 they'd have to get on digital.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Hmmmm.....so why is this same sentiment not echoed in the many PSN sucks thread? Isn't it constantly complaining for nothing about an issue that would be better channeled into making a change? This is off topic in the thread but I mean, I don't see this in any of those thread - which while bring up valuable points, become nothing but a shit fest of people not wanting to change anything but just complain.
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Moving on, it is terrible and I was kind of shocked about it. I'm hoping it gets better with the new update. It's one of the XB1 weakness that seems to be equal to the problems with downloading on PSN.
Primethius
Banned
Yea, the install times are pretty horrible. Hopefully the new dash fixes the issue, whatever it is. It's such a massive gap the amount of time it takes me to start playing a game on the PS4 vs the X1 as a result.
Grimgrillz
Banned
WOW
Seriously? My PS4 is ready to go in seconds. Longest install I had was GTA and it was done by the time I added the filling to my bagel and got some juice. 10-15 minutes has to be a joke. Anything longer than a minute and I'd think my PS4 was broken.
I'm honestly shocked that 10-15 minutes is something you find acceptable. In contrast I don't think any game I've played on the PS4 has taken longer than 2 minutes and that's even with updates. I use an ISP here called virgin media and my speed is 40-50 and I have the connection hard wired so obviously that helps with downloads but I'm still kinda shocked.
I don't know about other people, but I've tried all of the fixes that I know about regarding PSN download speeds. Tried DMZ, MTU set to 1473 or 1500, Google DNS, OpenDNS, set it to rest mode, set the download to full screen, close all other applications to give the downloads priority, pause/resume download every 2 minutes, am I missing any other?
As for the new dashboard, I'm optimistic that they will fix the installation issues. I mean, they've managed to get software backwards compatibility up and running, I would think they have more than enough software expertise.
Neuromancer
Member
I greatly appreciate the ability to sell or give away a game I don't like. And like OnionPowder mentioned I get my games at BB for 20% off not to mention frequently a $10 credit for preordering. I'm glad you're enjoying going all digital but to think there are no benefits to buying physical discs is myopic.
Missile Defense
Banned
I change my mind, you guys are right. I just recalled that is was annoying when I got Rare replay! Kameo wasn't done yet as I was moving through the generations of games and I do recall being annoyed / bummed that I had to interrupt my geeking out session.
Maybe I just don't focus on the negative but your post did remind me that I have had at least one instance where this sucked.
Huh. Cause it really sounds like you're blaming him, and saying he's stupid for not using google.
To those who mention PSN downloads being slow - how is this going to help Xbox One users who are frustrated with first play disc installations? Even with the offline trick, the first play experience is still a sizable amount of time. The difference between 30-60 seconds and 10-15 minutes is vast.
An entirely different feature on an entirely different product being bad or broken is not solace to a new Xbox One user, especially one that is unaware of the offline workaround.
An entirely different feature on an entirely different product being bad or broken is not solace to a new Xbox One user, especially one that is unaware of the offline workaround.
Earthanoid
Member
The PS4 has dedicated hardware to download and install in the background, does the XB1 have anything similar? If not it may be hard for them to fix it.
It depends on the game and how the devs implement it. With Arkham Knight you could launch the game within 30 seconds, but you had to sit in the menu for much longer before you could start playing. Killzone lets you launch and start playing the campaign pretty much immediately, that game is still the king of fast install and loading IMO. Most games I've played are in the middle, they install in a minute or two and you can start playing them after that.
The background download and install on the PS4 is making me consider going all digital. It gives the illusion of zero install time, which is pretty cool.
Samurai G0SU
Member
i must be fortunate enough to put the game to install, then have other tasks that need to be done around the house while the tv, netflix, or hbo go is put back on.
=/ too busy to play the game right away and busy enough to have the game be ready when im ready to actually play. i'd be damned if i timed how long it took to install witcher 3. I'd go insane just sitting there... waiting.... staring.. timing. sounds like torture. So glad there are entertainment apps within a simple voice commands reach.
Hopefully with the new UI, some things are updated where the install times are reduced. Wonder if it will be strictly a software fix or does some of the hardware used for the Blu-ray drive is to blame? idk this stuff =/
=/ too busy to play the game right away and busy enough to have the game be ready when im ready to actually play. i'd be damned if i timed how long it took to install witcher 3. I'd go insane just sitting there... waiting.... staring.. timing. sounds like torture. So glad there are entertainment apps within a simple voice commands reach.
Hopefully with the new UI, some things are updated where the install times are reduced. Wonder if it will be strictly a software fix or does some of the hardware used for the Blu-ray drive is to blame? idk this stuff =/
Transistor
Banned
Kind of ironic looking back on this in the last generation
Except most games don't actually let you play any meaningful amount of time until the whole game is installed. The amount of time it takes for a game to be ready to boot is pretty much meaningless in most games. What matters is the amount of time it takes to fully install the game and its updates, and the amount of time it takes to fully install from disc isnt very different between the two consoles. If anything a full install and update can be faster on the XB1 for me because I get considerably faster download speeds on that system.
dottme
Member
I think for digital game, they start to download the update while you download the game.
But it will be good to have the same behavior for physical game.
No its not "most" games, its a minority of games that does this.
And the full amount of time is not whats important, because in MOST games its transparent, and you are playing the game, which is what is really important
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
I only buy digitally, and I have pretty good Internet so it's never usually an issue for me.
All the more reason I'm glad I abandoned disks and eyesore clutter game cases
All the more reason I'm glad I abandoned disks and eyesore clutter game cases
It's great if done competently. Infamous Second Son is playable literally about 30 seconds after putting the disc in. You can download an (unsellable) 50GB game in that time, can you?
Kssio_Aug
Member
I wonder the same!
Its indeed pretty slow, but I dont think its such a bad deal. I mean, if I've been waiting a game for quite long, I could wait some hours more or a day.
Its a real issue though... Hopefully they can fix it with an update.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Allowing people to download day one patches ahead of time would help so much. Yeah, it might cost some extra bandwidth but seriously how many people are going to download multiGB patches for a game they aren't or have no intention of buying.
Breh I have the game downloaded before it is even out.
And I sure as hell don't buy games with the intent to sell them. I'm no cheap mofo like some of you guys.