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The 1X1 is is 299 now and ealry Lockhart rumors matched it at at least as powerful plus bells and whistles
X1X Cyberpunk limited edition was sold here in the UK at £260.
The 1X1 is is 299 now and ealry Lockhart rumors matched it at at least as powerful plus bells and whistles
Damn! Yeah I could easily see a $250-300 Lockhart and the X1X dropped to almost $Free.99 to get the stragglers on the Xbox eco systemX1X Cyberpunk limited edition was sold here in the UK at £260.
Verified or not.. try going back in time and read this so called insider (eastmen) old inside scoop on xbox one .. he is way off all the time.. go back to Xbox one X speculation before the final revealCant believe a verified member made this post lol
ps4 pro has been on sale already under the $399.99 price in the states . Also there is a year of improvements over the course of the year. I am sure the 14/16nm tech has improved where yields will be much better. Ram prices have also come down while speeds have gone up and so on and so forth. We will have to wait and see what MS does with scorpio and what if anything sony does in response. What the systems actually cost MS and Sony doesn't matter to us as a consumer. MS may decide it wants to price match the pro even taking a loss to do so or they might go and make something that can be considered a real generational leap over the current systems and charge a premium.
Hopefully we don't have to wait much longer
My wild guess
16GB of GRDDR +$20
No optical drive - $30
Split CPU / GPU +75
That's my thinking
He is no "insider "
Let me answer this with an original eastmen postHow in sweet baby jesus name is this thread not locked?
Yea I can't say much maybe 50% of the time I can give more info but then the other 50% of the time is well the other half of the time? Makes sense ? Sometimes you gotta take that first step even when there is another 10 steps waiting for you and maybe you name each step something different but its all the same flight of stairs. But you know maybe that's a fat person thing ?Xbox Series X|S Backward Compatibility Enhancements Detailed [XSX|S BC]
Key snippet: Ronald also spoke with IGN, and when asked if "thousands" meant that the goal was every single Xbox One game – in addition the hundreds of Xbox 360 and original Xbox games already compatible with Xbox One that will also play on Xbox Series X – Ronald said, "The goal is definitely...forum.beyond3d.com
X1X Cyberpunk limited edition was sold here in the UK at £260.
Yeah, but it's an old tech and there is no game inside this package, right?
Anyway, in my country X1X is 240£ with FH4 and Lego Speed Champions. CP2077 is also at that price.
I mean, the Sony SSD on paper is something never seen before in the SSD market. That is groundbreaking.
Because you can explain how it works after seeing Sony explain how it works doesn't mean it is not groundbreaking.
It means you watched their video explaining how something NEVER DONE BEFORE was going to be done now.
Then you saw the speeds. Again. NEVER DONE BEFORE until they told you how they were going to do it.
That's kind of what groundbreaking means......
Awesome can't wait I'll drop 6-700$ Canadian for a ps5, then spend 3hundred if Xbox delivers on some of its exclusives, it will be my side bitch.
True but it is a very limited edition console (45000 worldwide?) a top game download when it comes out + its first expansion and 1 month of gamepass ultimate. You currently can barely get a 500GB PS4 slim with a game or two for £260....
I still don't understand why so many of you guys think the PS5 and XSX won't cost more than $499.
The very existence of PS5 digital edition shows us Sony is afraid of pricing the complete console too high.
Add to that the fact that the PS5 is the largest console in more than 20 years.
History shows that the larger the console the pricier it is.
Here are my predictions:
XSX - $599
PS5 - $549
PS5 DE - $449 (Sony loses money)
XSL - $349
XOX & PS4 Pro - $279
XOS & PS4 S - $199
Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
Microsoft XBOX (XBox One X / Project Scorpio) - Prerelease News and Rumours
That might work for the launch period. You could always drop to $399 in early 2018 when demand softens.These are promium customers anyway, 50 bucks for six months extra of the fastest thing around isn't so bad. Is BOM likely to be more than $150 higher than the X1S though? ~$40 more for Ram...forum.beyond3d.com
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Seriously. I’m coming back to this thread after the event to see how wrong they were.www.resetera.com
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Have you seen the specs of a standard PS4? And what TLOU2 looks like on it?www.resetera.com
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
I think you’re a damn idiot if you buy a series S, but is XSX is 399$ then Sony is screwed.
It’s a redundant system if you currently have all those consoles you mentioned. Unless you love tech and collect them. It’s pointless.my current setup is a PS4pro and an Xbox One X connected to the living room TV and a base PS4 and a One S connected to the PC Monitor.
this is great for playing multiplayer games locally even if they don't have splitscreen.
so if the Series S performs as expected it is a damn interesting box just for stuff like that.
It is misleading to make the claim that subscription models are super low margin. Companies on subscription-based models control their investments so the margin can be as high or low as they want it. while the company is bulking out their product line, margins tend to be lower because of heavy investments. This changes once a company has a base level, it can overtime lower investments. I do agree withbeing skeptical of Microsoft taking a huge upfront loss on each console sold.It still sounds like fairy tale stuff.
MS had lost so much money with the XBox in the early years, that I am not even sure if they ever broke even (a lot of the money from the 360 era was spent on the RRoD). So XBox division going up to MS and saying, hey how about we lose some serious money now? Maybe it pays of, maybe it doesnt.
People seem to think that subscription models turn around a lot of money when it really doesnt. Its super low margin, which is why only the biggest players get in. I dont think gamepass is making them money right now, its way too cheap and not enough people have it. Yes 10 Millions sound like a lot, but its nothing compared to Spotify, Amazon Prime, Netflix, or even Disney plus. Also music, TV shows and movies are arguably easier, faster and cheaper to produce.
Plus they are losing money from regular sales and licensing and may lose some 3rd publisher support. All while HEAVILY subsidizing a console?
Their subscriber numbers need to be in the hundreds of millions for that. I dont know if the brand is strong enough for that.
I dont know, maybe they want Xbox to be the windows of gaming or something, we'll see. But I find is highly unrealistic atm.
It’s a redundant system if you currently have all those consoles you mentioned. Unless you love tech and collect them. It’s pointless.
I was thinking The same thing, Ps5 has all the mindshare and momentum going into next gen so some colt Eastwood type took it upon himself to come up with a ludicrous rumor that’s basically “wait for e3” on steroids. Mic drops, entire industry shook, acquisitions despite Matt booty stating they were done acquiring studios, billion dollar losses on hardware. It’s people like him that set up these extremely unrealistic expectations for people and when reality happens everyone is disappointed.Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
Microsoft XBOX (XBox One X / Project Scorpio) - Prerelease News and Rumours
That might work for the launch period. You could always drop to $399 in early 2018 when demand softens.These are promium customers anyway, 50 bucks for six months extra of the fastest thing around isn't so bad. Is BOM likely to be more than $150 higher than the X1S though? ~$40 more for Ram...forum.beyond3d.com
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Seriously. I’m coming back to this thread after the event to see how wrong they were.www.resetera.com
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Have you seen the specs of a standard PS4? And what TLOU2 looks like on it?www.resetera.com
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
Lol, really?If that's true then PS5 for more than $400 is DoA. Unless XsX is $600 console.
LolMS can absorb it more than Sony due to bank.
Well no shit he is a fraud.Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
Microsoft XBOX (XBox One X / Project Scorpio) - Prerelease News and Rumours
That might work for the launch period. You could always drop to $399 in early 2018 when demand softens.These are promium customers anyway, 50 bucks for six months extra of the fastest thing around isn't so bad. Is BOM likely to be more than $150 higher than the X1S though? ~$40 more for Ram...forum.beyond3d.com
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Seriously. I’m coming back to this thread after the event to see how wrong they were.www.resetera.com
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Have you seen the specs of a standard PS4? And what TLOU2 looks like on it?www.resetera.com
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
Yeah you’re right. I got all confused with all these damn S’s and X’s. What was Microsoft thinking with this naming convention. Eithey way yeah. Good prices at least if all this is true.how is it redundant if I told you what I might use it for? replacing the One X and One S respectively.
in fact, these 2 systems become redundant at that point since the Series X and S will run every game that run on the old ones better than the old ones
but btw. I'm not planning on getting Lockhart right away... in the meantime the One X will basically replace the One S on the PC monitor. but at some point the One X will not be supported anymore and that's when the Lockhart will come into the picture.
I wish MS would drop the pricing bomb and lockhart just to get things moving again.
Ouya is that you?I wonder if it will actually look like this fan-made design:
It would be like Microsoft's sophisticated take on the GameCube.
Man like almost everything you said is wrong.
It is misleading to make the claim that subscription models are super low margin. Companies on subscription-based models control their investments so the margin can be as high or low as they want it. while the company is bulking out their product line, margins tend to be lower because of heavy investments. This changes once a company has a base level, it can overtime lower investments. I do agree withbeing skeptical of Microsoft taking a huge upfront loss on each console sold.
Who the fuck is going to buy a console and only ever have 1 month of gamepass and not buy any games??I honestly don't see how they could sell it half price.
Reducing the gpu to half size and removing the disc drive won't reduce the price of manufacture by 1/2.
And Xbox can't sell it at that huge loss, or any loss, this gen even more than last gen.
Sure MS has rivers of money, but the Xbox division doesn't, they have a budget.
They don't have the marketshare or Sony brand recognition and the Xbox division is basically expendable for MS while Sony can't survive without Playstation.
And their move to services reduces even more the amount loss they can take in hardware.
If Sony sells 50 consoles, they know they will sell at least 50 games at the same time, making it easier to predict the loss they can take, but if Xbox sells 50 consoles, they have no idea how many of those 50 consumers are going to buy a game and how many are going to subscribe to gamepass, and the profit of a month of gamepass is much smaller than the profit of a full price retail game.
I don't see a 12tf machine costing 400$, 500$ and that's already taking a small loss.
How many games do you have access to with one month of gamepass?Who the fuck is going to buy a console and only ever have 1 month of gamepass and not buy any games??
And when their month off gamepass expires? I assume they'll just sit and look at the console gathering dust rather than buy a game or another month of gamepass.How many games do you have access to with one month of gamepass?
You answered your own question...
Not everybody swims in money, some people have to save for a month or two to buy a game.
I'm not saying that all they will ever buy is one month or gamepass, I'm talking about at the time of buying the console, not lifetime actions.
How hard is it for you to understand the concept of 1st month expense and that 1st month expense =/= lifetime expense?And when their month off gamepass expires? I assume they'll just sit and look at the console gathering dust rather than buy a game or another month of gamepass.
The amount of people that would buy a console and only spend £10-20 on gamepass here and there is going to be so ludicrously small it's irrelevant. Don't forget that you don't keep the games when your sub expires. I would imagine microsoft have looked at the figures they have for gamepass and software attach rates and have worked out how much they can subsidise each console by and how long it will take to recoup that cost.How hard is it for you to understand the concept of 1st month expense and that 1st month expense =/= lifetime expense?
The next month they might buy a game or they might continue to subscribe to gamepass, the month after the same thing.
But it's the initial purchase that has more impact when deciding how much loss to take on the hardware.
If I buy an Xbox and I want to play 2 1st party games I don't have to spend 120$ on games, I can spend 10$ on 1 month of gamepass and play them.
If I buy a ps5 and I want to play 2 1st party games, I HAVE to spend 120$ and buy them, because they aren't available day one on psnow.
What happens after that initial purchase is hard to predict, so manufacturers can't use that data to calculate how much loss in hardware they can take.
Last gen this wasn't an issue, this will be the first gen where this is a possibility.
Many people, like me, couldn't care less about keeping games. I finish a game and never touch it again.The amount of people that would buy a console and only spend £10-20 on gamepass here and there is going to be so ludicrously small it's irrelevant. Don't forget that you don't keep the games when your sub expires. I would imagine microsoft have looked at the figures they have for gamepass and software attach rates and have worked out how much they can subsidise each console by and how long it will take to recoup that cost.
Who the fuck is going to buy a console and only ever have 1 month of gamepass and not buy any games??
Fucking console warriors...Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
Microsoft XBOX (XBox One X / Project Scorpio) - Prerelease News and Rumours
That might work for the launch period. You could always drop to $399 in early 2018 when demand softens.These are promium customers anyway, 50 bucks for six months extra of the fastest thing around isn't so bad. Is BOM likely to be more than $150 higher than the X1S though? ~$40 more for Ram...forum.beyond3d.com
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Seriously. I’m coming back to this thread after the event to see how wrong they were.www.resetera.com
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Have you seen the specs of a standard PS4? And what TLOU2 looks like on it?www.resetera.com
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
I really don't think this is the case, and I think it's going to really fucking confuse a lot of mainstream consumers.
Use RE8 as an example. Rumour has it that it's being ditched for Xbox One and PS4 because it's too much to handle - even on the official website, there is no mention of those consoles. Seems reasonable. Big new next gen release.
So, it's too powerful to run on an X1X, a beefy £400 machine, but it's going to run on Lockhart..? Is Lockhart more powerful than an X1X but it's still going to be a cheap budget model? What happens to the value of X1X, does it plummet? Are X1X owners about to get royally screwed in the pooch? Will there be an upgrade program?
It's all so confusing. MS can't release more info fast enough.
People here seem to think that they just try out random things and decide pricing by whatever they feel like. These are big businesses, every expenditure is accounted for and has a logic behind itThe amount of people that would buy a console and only spend £10-20 on gamepass here and there is going to be so ludicrously small it's irrelevant. Don't forget that you don't keep the games when your sub expires. I would imagine microsoft have looked at the figures they have for gamepass and software attach rates and have worked out how much they can subsidise each console by and how long it will take to recoup that cost.
I mistook your point. I generally agree with all of this. Yes it is a gamble and will only make high margins if successful.In my previous post I was implying that they would take that loss for the first years. It only pays of when at the end of it all, they stand victorious. But its not like MS is the only one with that idea. EA already has a subscription model. Ubi wanted one or already has one? I dont even know, havent been on U Play for years. You can bet your ass Activision is going to have one and of course Sony will counter as well. Same for google and maybe amazon. I mean thats my whole point. MS is not in a vacuum. They have to be extremely competitive to force others out and that means its gonna be low margin and its not like Sony, Google and Amazon have no money in the bank to draw this battle out.
I'm not saying they wont succeed, all I'm saying is that it will cost them A LOT and therefore I dont see them subsidizin a console by THAT MUCH.
Maybe they'll use Xcloud to reach that wider audience of smart TV owners to stream games on every device but still position all XBoxes towards actual gamers who do pay more than 200 dollars for a console.
Shit, if that's really true then they are not fucking around.
That reasoning is dumb. He's just connected to Xbox is some way. Ya know not everyone out there is a fanboy. Diverting attention? Again that's ridiculous.Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
I also can’t help but notice that despite what we know about the cost of next gen console BOM, Ps5 being 450 and series x being more than that., that somehow Ps5 will be the more expensive one. I also can’t help but notice the halo avatars now pushing this theory as well. The timing is suspect too what with it being after Sony’s show. I’ll be honest I didn’t think it was a great showing but they certainly got a lot of YouTube views and twitter likes, much more than I think these halo avatars wanted to see.