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[Endless Fluff]

I just watched the video again and he says "The entire thing is a little toasty. "

Entire thing means the console. Not the expansion card. Also:

"It seems like this thing might be doing something while you're not using it, to the point where it needs to exhaust heat". He's obviously surprised it's that hot in standby mode, where he'd expect it to be much cooler since it should hardly be using any power, which isn't the case here. Also, there's heat, and there's toasty heat. I sure want the consoles to get rid of heat, just don't expect it to be superhot.

And? Did you watch the rest of the podcast? What the other guy on the bottom left says? Here's the transcript

29:43
like this thing might be doing something
29:45
while you're not using it
29:46
and right to the point where it needs to
29:48
exhaust heat
29:49
well no the so the one x does that too
29:51
yeah sometimes when that thing is just
29:53
sitting offline like i can feel the heat
29:55
still radiating out of it

It's not just the One X that does it, my Pro also blows out heat when it downloads shit in stand-by, the console gets warm while doing "nothing". It's normal. The expandable storage being hot is also normal, they (NVME drives) operate at very high temps. PS4 Pro and One X blow hair dryer levels of heat out back (above 60°C), are you worried about your current console?

There is no reason to be concerned about anything here... and even if, even IF Series X would run too hot (which I doubt), it's nothing a little firmware update couldn't fix. MS could simply increase the fan curve a little bit.

This whole thread is FUD, as fanboys like to call it. It's the same FUD as "PS5 is a 9TF machine because Cerny said the GPU down clocks under heavy load!!!".

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Because Microsoft has gotten way better in making hardware since than and I don't think anyone from that hardware team is still involved. They now shrink entire PC's to the size of tablets with their Surface products.

Did you read my whole post? So what if they got better since xbox360? How is that proof that it cant happen again?

How successful was apple until iPhone6? That's 2 years before they became a trillion dollar company. Very successful and known for quality iphones. But then 6th generation all of a sudden had a bending issue. All iphones were affected. Apple with all their money, RnD team of minions, specialists etc couldnt figure out that having a phone with that material will bend in your skinny jeans.

Of course MS will never make a bad xbox360 today but they arent making new xbox360. Its new tech, new power consumption, new shapes. Nothing is full proof. How much time and resources they had during corona to do thorough test, were they rushing the build, were they using lower quality pins that will cripple in 6 months time.

Car companies that sell u cars worth a million dollars end up messing up and having to recall. microsoft had amazing Windows 95,98, xp....then they released the shit Windows Millennium. Then another turd Vista, then another manageable turd Windows 7. So it took em 3 fuck ups in a row to make again a good Windows 10. Does that mean the next windows is a success? Hell no, it could be another turd because technology and programs evolve.

 

[Neofire]

Someone said something about him making reference to the SSD by saying "toasty" I'm trying to figure out how . I think his original statement caused some concerns and someone behind the scenes told his ass to straighten that shit out thus why you have him trying to clean it up.

Now weather his first tweet is true or not we don't know. I don't think it would be in the best interest of the Xbox Series X testers to share any unfavorable news about the system.

 

[Trimesh]

Firstly - I do not believe that the XSX has a temperature problem.

What Devil pointed out however is the fact that the hotter your exhaust air the less efficient cooling solution you have - everything else being equal. You can test that simple truth yourself by increasing the fan speed on your system to ludicrous levels - the exhaust air temperature will go down everything else being equal (and your cooling is more efficient since the inside of the case has a temperature closer to ambient).

Jeff Grubb should know that - i.e. the hotter the exhaust air, the worse your cooling solution is.

You do realize that by the utterly deranged "logic" you are following here a Fat PS3 with dried out thermal paste has a great cooling system because it's blowing cold air - and the same machine after you replace the paste has a "worse" cooling system because it's now blowing hot air?

 

[M1chl]

so its getting that hot without actually running any proper system crushing next gen games??? o dear....

Brute force through older games on different system is probably going to suck more resources.

 

[Jon Neu]

And Jon Neu , not every concern is a fake fanboy concern. I didn't pre-order the thing to be fake-concerned. I'm not paying a$750 to be fake-concerned. I don't shit money. I AM concerned. I don't want another 360 situation again. I went through that once and I don't want to again. So this information does concern me and I want to know more. Defending a problem serves nobody. If there's a problem we'd all be complaining next month. Do you really want that?

If you want to be concerned by misquoting some dude that at the same time is literally telling you that there isn't a problem, then that's entirely on you.

 

[All_Might]

People just relax, why do you constantly feel the need to spread information about the other console. Just enjoy your purchase from your favourite console maker (goes for both sides). About the topic:
The heat won’t be an issue, at least not like this. When (CPU/GPU) are designed they are allowed a certain thermal limit. Alongside this thermal limit, the cooling unit is designed to dissipate heat according to the produced heat in form of energy (power produced in watts). An indication of a possible overheating, would be the fan adjusting its speed in relation to the produced heat. For example if the console was getting warm to an extent where it needs better cooling, the fan will start spinning faster to push more fresh air into the system and out the back of the console or top. So the fan ramping up would have been a much better indication of heat problems within the cooling unit of the console. In this case this doesn’t mean anything, since we have no information about the soc, and neither about its thermal limits. The best way to conclude the efficiency of the thermal design is to wait for independent reviews, where all ndas are lifted. People like to say that Sony is keeping everything in controlled rooms, but it’s no different with Microsoft. This no different since ndas specifically control what they can and what they can’t say. Both are still locked up boxes, that we don’t have information about that’s not spoon fed to the reviewers. But in this case this thread does not serve any purpose other than giving views to a click bait YouTuber.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

As long as it stays within it's designed thermal limit it doesn't matter.

Well it kind of does if this thing is pumping out excess heat. A lot of expensive electricity being used up to heat up your house regardless if you want it to or not defo sounds like an issue to me.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Brute force through older games on different system is probably going to suck more resources.

Not necessarily, it might underuse some capabilities and have lower utilisation than otherwise possible: workload matters as much as utilisation... look at running regular instructions and AVX-256/AVX-512 instructions and the power they generate.

Lots of transistors running at a decent clock speed can generate more heat or much less heat than less transistors running at a much higher clock speed depending on how many more transistors we are talking about, how much higher the clock speed is, and how the high clock speed is achieved (raising the voltage or not).

 

[geordiemp]

And? Did you watch the rest of the podcast? What the other guy on the bottom left says? Here's the transcript

It's not just the One X that does it, my Pro also blows out heat when it downloads shit in stand-by, the console gets warm while doing "nothing". It's normal. The expandable storage being hot is also normal, they (NVME drives) operate at very high temps. PS4 Pro and One X blow hair dryer levels of heat out back (above 60°C), are you worried about your current console?

There is no reason to be concerned about anything here... and even if, even IF Series X would run too hot (which I doubt), it's nothing a little firmware update couldn't fix. MS could simply increase the fan curve a little bit.

This whole thread is FUD, as fanboys like to call it. It's the same FUD as "PS5 is a 9TF machine because Cerny said the GPU down clocks under heavy load!!!".

Agree, MS can just up the fan speed to get more air if they desire, it is a small box so turn fan up a bit.

Yes all SSD will get hot, I think the sensible solution (as its still a gamg machine for adults and kids) would be to lock the expanded storage SSD behind a cover and a screw so you only access it when turned off.

Having a hot swap external SSD is not a good idea IMO for either console, SSD are not USB sticks.

 

[Tickrate]

Well it kind of does if this thing is pumping out excess heat. A lot of expensive electricity being used up to heat up your house regardless if you want it to or not defo sounds like an issue to me.

That's literally the purpose of a cooling solution, to dissipate excess heat...smh

 

[M1chl]

Not necessarily, it might underuse some capabilities and have lower utilisation than otherwise possible: workload matters as much as utilisation... look at running regular instructions and AVX-256/AVX-512 instructions and the power they generate.

Lots of transistors running at a decent clock speed can generate more heat or much less heat than less transistors running at a much higher clock speed depending on how many more transistors we are talking about, how much higher the clock speed is, and how the high clock speed is achieved (raising the voltage or not).

Even if, since the console being dub "silent" it's just a work about fan duty cycle. Will see, how this pan out, however the massive thermal dissipation mass and 250W max power draw, I don't thing there is any issue waiting to happend. Not the mention that thermal throttling, etc. There a lot of technology these days, which prevents RROD to happend. Not the mention the biggest problem with X360 was back then the newly introduced RRohS compliance, which took a long time to solve in general consumer grade electronics.

 

[Zathalus]

Xbox One X:

PS4 Pro:

 

[Daffy Duck]

Saw this an did feel a little concern as I recently measured the shelf height of where my Series X will sit, it's almost exactly the same height as the Series X, I assume the fans are on the end so I hope it will be alright.

 

[hemo memo]

Fud spread reached a new level I see. We are talking about a preview unit here. Also hundreds of journalists didn’t report this “heat” problem.

 

[T-Cake]

Why in god's name have I woken up to yet another discussion on Xbox temperature? FFS. This place is getting unbearable now.

 

[Orta]

Oh noes! As if climate change isn't causing enough damage, the fate of the planet, nay entire Universe is at risk due to the Xbox's high temperature. Does Microsofts evil know no bounds?

Save us Jim, save us all oh great one with your mighty cpu cooler!!! Only you can do it.

Etc, etc....

 

[Portugeezer]

Thing uses power, heat must go somewhere.

Not a story.

 

[Ellery]

Yeah exhaust all that heat. Exactly what it should be doing.

 

[Yoboman]

wtf okay thought it was a meme or some FUD.
Anyway.

can someone do this with the XSX? This would proof everything easy and fast.

unless they won’t do this, I will call this all a non-issue.

This technology is new to me, but I believe that is Phil Spencer inside the Xbox Series X, rotating slowly.

His body temperature has risen to over 400 degrees, he is literally stewing in his own juices.

 

[ZehDon]

Did you read my whole post? So what if they got better since xbox360? How is that proof that it cant happen again?...

Do you also think the customer data of the entire PSN will be hacked and leaked... again?
Or that the manufacturing costs for the latest PS will be so high that it will almost kill Sony... again?
Or that Sony will try and work with Nintendo on a new console, but Nintendo will pull out at the last minute... again?
Or that latest PS will be so loud in operation that people don't want to use it... again?
Or that Nintendo will make a console and name it and market it so poorly, it becomes one the lowest selling home consoles in memory... again?

If the idea that a problem that occurred once must be treated as an infinite probability until the heat death of the universe is one you want to run with, you'll find yourself quickly out of things to see, do, and enjoy. Or, you can employ critical thought like a normal person. When Microsoft is sued for their hardware faults, and spends USB$1b on fixing the problem, it's a safe bet it won't happen again. Until we have concrete information, this is a nothing issue.

 

[Redlight]

I just watched the video again and he says "The entire thing is a little toasty. "

Entire thing means the console. Not the expansion card. Also:

"It seems like this thing might be doing something while you're not using it, to the point where it needs to exhaust heat". He's obviously surprised it's that hot in standby mode, where he'd expect it to be much cooler since it should hardly be using any power, which isn't the case here. Also, there's heat, and there's toasty heat. I sure want the consoles to get rid of heat, just don't expect it to be superhot.

And Jon Neu , not every concern is a fake fanboy concern. I didn't pre-order the thing to be fake-concerned. I'm not paying a$750 to be fake-concerned. I don't shit money. I AM concerned. I don't want another 360 situation again. I went through that once and I don't want to again. So this information does concern me and I want to know more. Defending a problem serves nobody. If there's a problem we'd all be complaining next month. Do you really want that?

Concern should be supported by evidence, not FUD. The overwhelming evidence is that there is no problem. Even from the very guy you're trying to use to justify your 'concern'.

Those that choose to be concerned despite the evidence, well, who knows what that's about. Preorder or not.

 

[WakeTheWolf]

Journalist says Xbox Series X can get ‘hot like a fireplace’ | VGC

Early users praise quiet cooling but express surprise at the amount of heat the console emits…

www.videogameschronicle.com

He said (translated by VGC): “The Series X is hot, like really hot! It doesn’t make any noise, but damn it’s hot! The console is emitting heat like crazy. It’s almost like a fireplace shaft. You can heat up your flat with it.”

Pre order cancelled /s

 

[Aggelos]

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

I love this video because the IGN Japan guys made, and first uploaded, it to troll how Sony wouldn't let anyone touch the PS5 during their controlled demo session.

 

[Neofire]

wtf okay thought it was a meme or some FUD.
Anyway.

can someone do this with the XSX? This would proof everything easy and fast.

unless they won’t do this, I will call this all a non-issue.

Do you honestly think MS would allow people to take thermals before the console launch? Come on now, yes you will be able to do this once the console official releases but MS definitely isn't letting this happened before hand. We don't know how hot the thing is really and a bunch of reviewers who has ties to MS aren't going to be allowed to post thermals of the console or they would have by now since some of them have had the thing for almost a month now.

 

[Redlight]

I think the previous thread I made had actually much more substantive discussion on cooling and potential problem areas. Some posters tried, as I did. Others simply wanted to derail and shut down discussion with takes like yours. At least Koloko doesn't inspire passion as I do. He's been safe so far.



I think the overall goal from the same individuals is to shut down discussion on the topic. You have 2 journalist that have documented their experiences of having XSX preview consoles running considerably hot. So hot that they've described it with abnormal adjectives. These are people that cover gaming, and are around consoles and do so for a living. They know what to expect from console cooling - and what should feel normal. When they make those reports it's not out of the blue or for malicious reasons. Nothing has been debunked. Clickbait has. These children latched at the portable SSD narrative on my previous thread like a tick..... which is just a symptom now that we have corroborating evidence from someone that did not mention the portable SSD at all. Stands to reason if a portable SSD is plugged in a system that's running too hot it will by extension be hot as well. So the portable SSD is not an isolated factor, it's a mere passenger in the car.

Obviously that could be normal operating temps but I doubt it. Sounds more to me like fans running at too low RPMs to keep it silent - with the side-effect of not exausting too much heat thus keeping temps overly hot. At any rate it puts into question longevity of hardware if a regime such as this becomes long term. Could be faulty hardware. Many reasons why to speculate. Now to deny that the issue exists and that it hasn't been reported and documented is beyond laughable at this point. So yes don't pay attention to the children throwing a fit over their favorite box being discussed on a topic they perceive to be negative to its image. It's a primal reaction.

Are you seriously trying to present yourself as some kind of honest-broker simply interested in the technology and not at all partisan?

You must be joking.

"The overall goal from the same individuals is to shut down discussion on the topic"

Look through this thread, from the OP down. It's Sony fanboy city. There's some real desperation in the recent flurry of threads attempting to tell the world about this, seemingly invented, 'problem'.

The overall goal from the same individuals (incl you) is to promote FUD on this topic, even though it's been debunked numerous times.

...and been debunked by the very people who are being used as sources...
"I've read stories that are using the Beastcast segment to support claims the Series X has a "heat problem" and I would disagree w/ making that assumption"

Now your claiming that the fans run too slow and the longevity of the hardware is compromised? Based on what?

Based on nothing but wishes and hopes, that's what.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

That shows it’s doing a good job of pulling the heat away from the core components

Youve got the equivalent of a 2080, half decent CPU, RAM and maybe 2 SSD’s in a little box, of course it will get warm.

 

[Birdo]

The bottom of my PS4 Slim was so hot, it would warm my entire shelf.

I don't see an issue if the console is quiet. Just don't touch it

 

[TBiddy]

Now your claiming that the fans run too slow and the longevity of the hardware is compromised? Based on what?

His many years of arm-chair engineering expertise, with him specializing in picking apart cooling systems he has absolutely no knowledge about. It's rare gift to be that good. You should definitely sit down and listen.

 

[deriks]

Some people said this, some don't. I hope that this is just a pre-production problem.

Don't fuck again, Microsoft

 

[JimboJones]

^THIS. A. MILLION. TIMES.

If I run certain games from 2009 on my current PC at 4K resolution and 120fps, they can start getting pretty hot.

 

[Hissing Sid]

So anyway after reading this thread I’ve just gone out and checked my car on a hunch and sure enough when you start it up it gets hot. I honestly don’t know what to do guys and I’m thinking I may need to contact the manufacturer to inform them that I have a duff car.

Now I come to think of it I’ve also noticed that if I use my phone a lot it also gets warm. And last night when I turned my TV off to go to bed there was definitely some heat coming from the set!

I blame the Chinese.

And Microsoft, obviously.

It’s very concerning.

 

[SirTerry-T]

Has anyone found out if you have to flip the PS5 over and smack it's arse so it reads discs?
I remember this being a concern during the PS1/PS2 era....

/S

 

[Guileless]

Nice, I will be able to turn off my central heating this winter as I huddle over the Series X during a Gears marathon.

 

[sixamp]

Why is this even a topic? It's not that it's running it's running normal. It's a gaming machine that exhausts hot air

 

[Pasedo]

Well at least you won't need a separate heater during winter gaming. WIN.

 

[ResilientBanana]

This thread is the epidemy of fud.

 

[MoreJRPG]

Interesting that stories of PS5 "running cool" and XBox Series X "running hot" game out within less than 24 hours of each other.

Side note: 2020 hasn't been a kind year to ReviewTech video's quality.

The PS5 stories of “running cool” are hilarious because no one has been able to touch it, let along get near it. The Japanese Youtubers couldn’t do anything other than sit down and play a game 6 feet away. Microsoft has sent Xbox consoles to people in their homes all over the world. I highly doubt that’s the case if they had to hide temperature issues. The agenda is obvious.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Define 'hot'.

What specific temperature, is 'hot'?

If i took an ice bath and jumped in to luke warm water, i would say it was 'hot'

 

[DonF]

I know that it's supposed to do that, heat out is good. But the thing is that due to its shape, it's going to need ample room to the side of the machine.
If the thing runs hot and its weird vents are not clear, it's going to melt.

 

[Blue Spring]

Is there actually someone that disputes that the Series X is running hot?

This thread is the epidemy of fud.

This news is actually not FUD. Actual FUD would be taking random rumors (youtube for example) and make stories out of it that the PS5 is overheating.

The PS5 stories of “running cool” are hilarious because no one has been able to touch it, let along get near it. The Japanese Youtubers couldn’t do anything other than sit down and play a game 6 feet away.

Source?

 

[NinjaBoiX]

That's literally the purpose of a cooling solution, to dissipate excess heat...smh

What are you on about? Do you understand the report?

They’re saying the console ITSELF is getting very hot. ie, not cooling itself very well.

 

[blastprocessor]

If it keeps my cup of coffee warm we're all good but if it boils my coffee then we've got a problem. That's going to affect the taste of my coffee. j/k

 

[Elog]

You do realize that by the utterly deranged "logic" you are following here a Fat PS3 with dried out thermal paste has a great cooling system because it's blowing cold air - and the same machine after you replace the paste has a "worse" cooling system because it's now blowing hot air?

I believe you need to read up on the definition of 'everything else equal'

You obviously want a heatsink (skipping water cooling for now) that takes up as much heat as fast as possible. The heatsink's capacity to then shed that energy to the air is a function of the temperature delta between the heatsink and the air in direct contact with the heatsink - i.e. the hotter the air the less efficient is your cooling solution. You get a good measure of that by checking the temperature of the exhaust air.

Nothing deranged about that - a little bit of reading comprehension though.

 

[sinnergy]

This technology is new to me, but I believe that is Phil Spencer inside the Xbox Series X, rotating slowly.

His body temperature has risen to over 400 degrees, he is literally stewing in his own juices.

Omg the predator has entered the thread ...

 

[acm2000]

hot air coming out is a good thing, it means the cooling is working, thats kinda the point.....

 

[Redlancet]

This thread is the epidemy of fud.

Yet its funny how the same people who believed any rumor from the ps5 is doing damage control here, people get concerned by nonsense, lets Wait of the consoles

 

[Elog]

That's not really true. There is few more variables you omitted.
1. how fast cooling system is distributing heat from chip (thermal conductivity, heat pipes, vapor chamber)
2. how much heat radiators are able to give to air flowing around them. That again depends on multiple variables like radiator size, it's material, color (black radiators emit more radiation) and how much air flows around them.

You are right - that is why I wrote 'everything else being equal' - you of course want to maximize every part of the chain. However, in every scenario of solution for 1 and 2 above the simple truth is that the hotter your exhaust air the less efficient your cooling solution is. For any given cooling solution the cooler the exhaust air the better the cooling holds true.

Ultimately though you just want the cooling to be sufficient enough to avoid degradation of your silicon and throttling under heavy load. If that is achieved you have what you need regardless.

 

[regawdless]

Of course it generates heat if it's on the upper spectrum of power/clocks for this HW. As long as the system is stable and it runs quiet, this is..... Normal?