Aww man would love to see some of Sony's Marketing for this. Take photos please people!
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Yes, The Last Guardian has gone gold
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Aww man would love to see some of Sony's Marketing for this. Take photos please people!
Confused Cheeseburger
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Fly Trico, Fly!
jacksepticeye
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I think if it released in its original window it would have faired better, a lot of "artsy" games as theyre called have come out since sort of dulling the impact.
I still think its gonna be a great game and will get rated favourably, just probably not AS favourably if it had been a few years go. Hope im wrong
Yeah it will review well(80+well). Just probably not 90+ will.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
YAY ITS FINALLY HERE
DriftingSpirit
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How can Horizon: Zero Dawn have a much bigger budget than a game that has been in active development for 9 years?
Maybe because TLG hasn't been in active development for 9 years? It was shelved, they worked on other games and brought it back when it was time.
More_Badass
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A lot of artsy games, but none quite like an Ico or SoTC. In some ways, it's kind of how DOOM was for shooters. The originator and popularizer of that kind of game finally arriving for the modern era.
Toni
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butman
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jacksepticeye
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I agree none of the games that came out since really feel the same, Ueda games tend to be a cut above. Hopefully it doesnt suffer critically for the current market its releasing in. I really want this game to do well
It does seem a bit dated, especially with its puzzles that revolve around pulling and pushing shit around. I mean, after all, the game design dates from 2009 and earlier.
As far as I'm concerned the "artsy" genre has made huge strides since the glory days of Ueda. With games like Flower and especially Journey, you could even say he's been left behind.
Also need to factor in the number of staff working on it as well as wages.
Developing in Amsterdam is more expensive than Japan.
3rdamention
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I can agree about "hopefully it doesn't suffer critically for the current market its releasing in" but on the contrary, I would also argue this is the perfect market, currently, for releasing this game. The market needs a game like this. It's, well, a different type of game compared to many we are seeing today!
Acquiescence
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Not that I've played it yet, but doesn't Inside involve pushing shit around? Y'know, Inside, one of the most critically acclaimed games of 2016 thus far.
More_Badass
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1) Execution trumps all. Have you played Stephen's Sausage Roll or Snakebird?
Also your comment implies that because a puzzle concept is old, or simple, that it's bad and/or boring. A mechanic is as good as it needs to be for that individual game. How would Inside or TLG benefit from harder complex puzzles, besides being more difficult?
2) Flower and Journey are "artsy" in complete different ways. Ueda's games have a lonely elegance to them, majestic worlds that offer hints a larger culture and civilization, very focused mechanics that combine storytelling with gameplay. They aren't zen or minimalist in the way that Flower or Journey were. They may all fall under that artsy umbrella (although I think stuffing Ico and SoTC in that category does those games a disservice) but they're very different kinds of games
Hilarious reply to Shu
Omg lol, well glad it's for real now!
jacksepticeye
Member
I guess this is true too to aome degree. Its definitely nice seeing a AAA game of this type coming out in this climate. Usually its more the indie scene
gustave154
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This game is going to be magical. Gonna rewatch the first trailer again
Acquiescence
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Indeed it does.
Your personal feelings aside, the press at large is still happy to tolerate that sort of thing given the critical response, and that's what the discussion was originally about.
Not that I'm too keen on games relying on hoary conventions like crate pushing myself (Limbo took a dive in its second half because of this, as far as I'm concerned).
Steak&Cheese
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Maybe I'm naive, but I kind of still think its going to be good despite being delayed for a million years. The pedigree of the devs is too strong.
Uncharted 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider had a lot of puzzles where you pull and push shit around too. That's just how you do environmental puzzles. What else is there other than pulling shit, pushing shit, and taking small objects (keys) and placing shit?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Lmao damn dude 2011
Still waiting for Amazon to update my delivery date.
ForkNetwork
Banned
This will probably be an 8/10, just like Ico. Clunky controls but king of aesthetics and minimalistic story
mickagau33
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I love Journey and Flower but they are 2 hours long. And that's mostly the trend for "big" artsy games nowadays (2/3 hours experiences). Ueda games are 10-15 hours long games and for me it makes a difference...
Dragon1893
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Wut? Ico is a 6 hour game.
1) I have not played them, but sausage roll seems like a pure puzzler.
And what's wrong with something that demands more out of your brain? However, I'll say this much about Inside, I'd rather have an even more straightforward experience over having to push shit around to climb a dilapidated ladder for the umpteenth time in a game.
2) I disagree with a lot of what you've said here. I place stuff like Flower, Journey, Braid, Limbo, Inside (and many others) kind of in the same group as something like ICO. You could even say that some "walking sims" are also another form of this sort of "arthouse" experience. And although not as extremely minimalist as Jenova Chen's games, I very much consider ICO and SotC to be great examples of minimalist storytelling.
Yeah I guess.
Well, in the case of games like Uncharted those environmental "puzzles" seem to exist to mask loading more than anything else. And there's more to puzzling than just pushing stuff around.
If some developers want to keep using this crutch, well go right ahead, but it just feels tired and old to me.
DriftingSpirit
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lol
Still waiting for Amazon to update my delivery date.
I'd like to know this as well.
Flower and Journey are not anywhere near Team Ico level. Most of the artsy games heavily inspired by them, like Brothers or whatever still not matching these 10 year old games is exactly why The Last Guardian shouldn't have too much trouble succeeding. Remember that Majin game that looked like a TLG ripoff?
I think Y2Kev making the OT would be most symbolic.
Lion Heart
Banned
I was in LA and there were billboards and bus signs everywhere for this game. I was going nuts.
TetraGenesis
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You never know what you've got 'til it's gone.
What would you do to improve environmental puzzles? Honest question. There aren't a lot of options beyond pushing boxes, pulling levers, putting key objects in holes, and jumping on things to make platforms go up and down. Those are the givens. Then you have wrinkles like aiming a light source at another object to make something move or open/close.
Uncharted 4 did have a lot of crate pushing but it had a lot of different things too. Can't just cherry pick the one thing you didn't like.
It had:
1)deciphering symbols to find out where a key item is.
2)pointing lights at an object to make something happen.
3)using a weight and pulleys to make something happen.
4)turning cranks in proper order while traversing the environment to make something happen.
5)investigating paintings for clues and matching it with correct sigils.
6)Turning various wheels to manipulate light and symbols.
7)traversing a death maze.
To simply say Uncharted 4 just had you pushing crates is an understatement.
Rise of the Tomb Raider is also a lauded game. It has the same types of things with the added, shoot something with fire to make it burn and dislodge and a lot of jump on things to weigh it down and shoot something with a rope arrow.
His idea seems to be along the lines of moving flower petals for two hours or hopping around in a desert and enjoying the scenery.
qualitydisc
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Still waiting for Amazon to update my delivery date.
Psshhh. That's nothing. Amazon still hasn't filled ANY of my 2009 order.
Well you could have an actual brain teaser in lieu of the same old stuff. The puzzles in the Uncharted series are dead-simple, but I don't knock it against the game since it's not a puzzle game at heart at all.
The Witness is a great example of amazing puzzle design in gaming. Braid is still amazing. Both from the same dude.
But really, my problem stems from slowly pushing shit around, of which I'm way beyond fed up of doing. I'd rather have nothing in place of that. It's this particular brand of "puzzling" that I'm truly tired of.
Kilau
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Psshhh. That's nothing. Amazon still hasn't filled ANY of my 2009 order.
Stay strong, we can wait them out.
More_Badass
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How in the world would Braid/Witness-style puzzle design benefit Inside? Those games are fantastic for what they do and have masterful puzzle design, but Inside would not be a better game with complex brain teasers. If anything, that would hurt the pacing, gameplay, and tone
DriftingSpirit
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I look forward to it!
nycgamer4ever
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The animation could not.have been done on ps3 bruh, and I'm sure you can run any current gen game on ps3 if "playable" was not a requirement. Quit trying so hard. Rinse your mouth of the salt.
It's just an example. I probably agree with you. Like I said before, I'd rather have perfectly fine ladders instead. I see no point in being made to slowly push a crate around.
