nial
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As a PS user, I don't feel neglected by them doing the right thing. Come on now.
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Helldivers 2 Account Linking Reversal
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Killjoy-NL
Member
nial
Member
By rendering the game unplayable in several countries, yes, backtracking was inherently the right thing to do.
blue velvet
Member
Bullying multi billion corporation does work
ChorizoPicozo
Banned
and now you will see that narrative going on in social media. Sony had a lose-lose scenario with this one
They will look even worse. They pay for online, they pay more for games. They look like docile and obedient dogs... not a good look at all.
nah. (it's different)
because is open.
PC gamers love to pay for trash tho. early access is one of the worse PC practices, which have ended up in projects that never see the light of day/scam players.
there is a reason why GTAVI is goingPlace to be released on consoles first.
The irony is that console gaming offers the premium experience, a place where you don't deal with PC bullshit, and everything is bespoke-built. However, for this to work, a walled garden is needed
is crazy/funny to see how PC gamers are using that platform to "Console warring".
Killjoy-NL
Member
Well that, sure, that's what I already said:
But that wasn't the issue with most of the whiners.
The fact those have been removed from sale still tells me they're going to go with the benefits approach down the line unless they make it available again soon. It'll be sad if all the whiners in the supported countries did was use it as a crotch for them to not make an account and keep their status quo but ended up making it worse for the people who they claimed to be concerned about.
ZehDon
Member
Sony stepping down means they ultimately believe it's not "just an account".
Raven117
Member
That this was a reasonable solution by Sony…. And they want your money. Which you will give them.
And life goes on.
What more is there?
(And if I was to guess, if they want to change their policy… they will grandfather current games in and make it clear for new games.)
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nial
Member
Not that it changes anything.
Sony is probably one of the few bigger companies in gaming that actually tends to be very receptive to feedback.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Good job PC gamers. Dont let Sony force their PSN logins 3 months into the game so they can spam you PS promotions to your inbox.
Now just make sure for any of you who got banned linking in out of country PSN accounts get it reversed.
Now just make sure for any of you who got banned linking in out of country PSN accounts get it reversed.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I'm willing to bet that's very much the case.
I highly doubt Johnny in the US really cares about someone in a country like Zimbabwe or Nepal not being able to play the game.
They're basically gaming's Karens.
//DEVIL//
Member
Sony was trying to pull MS gold live thingy on PC gamers... they got fucked the same way MS did back then too. without any lubrication too.
the bullshit you pull on the console idiots, keep it there for your self. bring it to PC and your game is dead. at the end of the day money talks. and Sony like the rest, will kiss your feet for your $. let that sink in.
hopefully next, console gamers will stop being retarded and stop giving money to play online. what a fucking scam. and the idiots keep paying. its amazing !
the bullshit you pull on the console idiots, keep it there for your self. bring it to PC and your game is dead. at the end of the day money talks. and Sony like the rest, will kiss your feet for your $. let that sink in.
hopefully next, console gamers will stop being retarded and stop giving money to play online. what a fucking scam. and the idiots keep paying. its amazing !
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[Sigma]
Member
It was always about that.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Obviously.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The plus side for PC gamers is that I'll assume (I know assuming is bad) if they are willing to reverse PSN logins for PC gamers for H2, that means they'll continue not needing it for their future GAAS games too.
But you PC gamers will have to wait and see on that one.
What happened, is a shitload of Steam refunds probably happened the past 48 hours so they reversed it.
But you PC gamers will have to wait and see on that one.
What happened, is a shitload of Steam refunds probably happened the past 48 hours so they reversed it.
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RickSanchez
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This is great, and, while i can't help being slightly more cynical in my outlook of PC gaming as a whole, it gives me a ray of hope. This is basically the PC gaming community pushing back against a single bad tactic in such great numbers that a major publisher had to renege on the bad tactic.
We still have a lot of other shit to fight over: Intrusive and cumbersome launchers (EA, Ubishit, Rockstar, etc), greedy monetization of content (see the Tarkov drama for a new example), blatant disregard for optimization (Jedi Fallen Order) or for feature completeness (Starfield), etc etc.
PC gaming clearly has its own share of problems still to deal with, but this thing with Helldivers & Sony sets the right precedent. Small victories are important.
We still have a lot of other shit to fight over: Intrusive and cumbersome launchers (EA, Ubishit, Rockstar, etc), greedy monetization of content (see the Tarkov drama for a new example), blatant disregard for optimization (Jedi Fallen Order) or for feature completeness (Starfield), etc etc.
PC gaming clearly has its own share of problems still to deal with, but this thing with Helldivers & Sony sets the right precedent. Small victories are important.
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People are still trying to push the idea that fighting registration to a free account is akin to fighting paid online? Where is that irrational thought coming from with some here?
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
This debacle was so big, Sony and Arrowhead made the decision to reverse it on a weekend. Their tweet was at midnight, so they purposely waited till what is technically Monday morning.
StereoVsn
Member
Yep, proves once again that folks have to speak up and that Steam as always is best platform for PC gamers.
Last Hearth
Member
I think what they are fighting is Sony changing the deal 3 month after they took people's money. Had they released the game with the account requirement I don't think the response would have been that big at all.
Stuart360
Member
It probably was but so what?. PC gamers didnt want it and they took action and reversed it. They won, Sony lost. PC gamers just dont bend over and take everything thrown at them form mega corps.
Why are console gamers so upset about this?
StereoVsn
Member
I believe it was more than in 100 countries. And even in some included counties you have to jump through hoops like doing a face scan or sending government ID in UK.
semiconscious
Member
sony making rookie mistakes? seriously, who the hell's minding the store with these huge corporations?...
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Now if only gamers didnt preorder games in the millions allowing companies to reap in sales from bullshot preview vids and images!
Stuart360
Member
WTF?, and people are trying to defend this?.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Varteras
Gold Member
Yeah, it was 177 countries. It was poorly thought out on their part.
*Nightwing
Member
StereoVsn
Member
Yes, people were and still are stanning for this shit. Because I am sure look corporation like Sony needs the help here! Who cares about empathy for folks from other countries.
They did launch with the requirement and Arrowhead running their own backend did the right thing of allowing you to skip temporarily. They didn't change the deal after people bought it. It was stated at the point of sale and on boot in the game. People just didn't want to create an account. It is what it is.
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[Sigma]
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Well at least be honest about it then, it's the bare minimal you can do instead of faking the funk and gaslighting everyone in posts like the majority of what saw online was seemingly doing.
nial
Member
It's still May 5th in San Mateo, tho (location of American PS Twitter account).It literally was the first thing they did Monday morning lol
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
bEast cost #1 baby!
stickkidsam
Member
Props to Sony for not doubling down on the policy. If the want to make the account link optional that’d be neat too. Give players a special helmet or cape if they wanna sweeten the deal.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It went like this:
Sony: Awesome sales. Who gives a flying fuck about regional availability, making PSN logins and gamers getting banned
Gabe: WTF is with this BS. Hey gamers, Valve will refund your money if you dont like the PSN login shit even if you played for more than 2hrs
Sony: Red alert! All you fucking employees with a company cellphone or laptop, there's an emergency meeting Sunday afternoon. After lunch or church, login asap!
Sony: Game is getting bombed and Gabe issued a statement offering blanket refunds. Sales tracking has showed tons of refunds already the past 48 hours
Steam employee: Hey Gabe, Sony has sent us a notice saying they are dropping PSN logins. They are requesting we take down the refund offer
Gabe: WTF? I'm eating dinner now. Cancel the refund offer when we see it publicly stated so they dont BS again
Steam employee: Sony tweeted at midnight no PSN login required
Gabe: Ok, lets revise the refund offer soon
Sony: Awesome sales. Who gives a flying fuck about regional availability, making PSN logins and gamers getting banned
Gabe: WTF is with this BS. Hey gamers, Valve will refund your money if you dont like the PSN login shit even if you played for more than 2hrs
Sony: Red alert! All you fucking employees with a company cellphone or laptop, there's an emergency meeting Sunday afternoon. After lunch or church, login asap!
Sony: Game is getting bombed and Gabe issued a statement offering blanket refunds. Sales tracking has showed tons of refunds already the past 48 hours
Steam employee: Hey Gabe, Sony has sent us a notice saying they are dropping PSN logins. They are requesting we take down the refund offer
Gabe: WTF? I'm eating dinner now. Cancel the refund offer when we see it publicly stated so they dont BS again
Steam employee: Sony tweeted at midnight no PSN login required
Gabe: Ok, lets revise the refund offer soon
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MrTroubleMaker
Gold Member
good
Stuart360
Member
They can do what they want, use whatever tactic they want, to get what they want. Why are you sticking up for a mega corp?.
The people won, deal with it.
'Be honest about it' fuck sake lol.
DavidGzz
Member
Props to Sony for not doubling down on the policy. If the want to make the account link optional that’d be neat too. Give players a special helmet or cape if they wanna sweeten the deal.
Excluding 177 countries from cosmetics?! The review bombers will send another payload.
Killjoy-NL
Member
We aren't upset over it.
We're amazed how upset PC gamers were.
The only legitimate concerns were from those in unsupported countries.
Gordon Fearman
Member
Also plenty of people were honest about it. Copers acting like the only argument was about countries without PSN when it wasn't even the majority of what people complained about.They can do what they want, use whatever tactic they want, to get what they want. Why are you sticking up for a mega corp?.
The people won, deal with it.
'Be honest about it' fuck sake lol.
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[Sigma]
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Bill O'Reilly- I'm just keeping them honest.They can do what they want, use whatever tactic they want, to get what they want. Why are you sticking up for a mega corp?.
The people won, deal with it.
'Be honest about it' fuck sake lol.
Stuart360
Member
Who are you to say what is a legitimate concern for PC gamers?. Just because you're used to accepting every dodgy thing thrown at you, it doesnt mean PC gamers are just going to bend over too.