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N. Korea sentences American to 15 years labor (Up: Otto Warmbier has died)
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metalslimer
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Instead of worrying about fucking Cuba, the administration should be far more concerned about our citizens going to NK.
Lucky for us, you probably care more about the life of any single American civilian more than our current POTUS.
You want to start a nuclear war because of 1 dead guy? I feel sorry for him and his family but starting a war is just wow.
Justin Bailey
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There should be repercussions for this. Not saying "BOMB EM HELL YEAH BOYS" but there needs to be consequences.
FinaruDensetsu
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Was he in North Korea to do missionary work or something?
LFMartins86
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There's an easy solution to that. Someone​ should get Obama to say that USA citizens should be able to go to NK.
Trump would issue a travel ban to NK in less than 24h.
Damn, RIP.
Chittagong
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This is unprecedented. Definitely changes the travel dynamic, DPRK hasn't killed Western detainees before afaik.
perfectchaos007
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Trump and his friend Dennis Rodman are working on it
The Lamonster
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smh.
This is so damn tragic, and infuriating. RIP.
His blood is absolutely on NK's hands and I hope our government does something about it. Wholly unacceptable.
This is so damn tragic, and infuriating. RIP.
His blood is absolutely on NK's hands and I hope our government does something about it. Wholly unacceptable.
Generalpsyduck
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North Korea killed an American citizen. There will be hell to pay in time.
DragoonKain
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I mentioned retaliation not war, and I didn't say I'd do it, but I'd be damn well tempted to. I'm sorry, but I'd have a hard time letting them just take one of the people who as a president I'd feel responsible for and let them treat him like a piece of trash until he dies.
Now would I start a war? Of course not, because that would lead to more lives lost, but something would be done, not necessarily in terms of arms or warfare.
Sectorseven
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A travel ban wouldn't work as North Korea already denies entry to Americans.
Usually, Americans get in by bribing the North Korean embassy in China and getting a fake Australian or Canadian passport.
Usually, Americans get in by bribing the North Korean embassy in China and getting a fake Australian or Canadian passport.
NYCmetsfan
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You would choose millions of your allies dying and huge war for one death.
That is insane.
Fenderputty
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What they hell does anyone think we can do when the say, "our government should retaliate"?
More sanctions? More China tough talk?
Basically ...
A death that should have never happened as well, because Americans should never travel to NK.
More sanctions? More China tough talk?
Basically ...
A death that should have never happened as well, because Americans should never travel to NK.
That's about the opposite thing to do in this situation. It's bad but there are warnings on going to certain places in this world for Americans. I'm not even sure why anyone would want to visit North Korea. The DMZ is enough for me.
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Terrible news, feel awful for the family.
NYCmetsfan
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Did you just make this up
http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/none/north-korea-lifts-travel-restrictions-americans-529062/
There was never a ban on US visitors, just it used to be limited to the Mass Games and this hasn't been the case for 7 years
NYCmetsfan
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Doesn't a visit to the DMZ allow people to cross the line and technically be in North Korea?
In the blue house.
NYCmetsfan
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I'm sorry for quoting this again
But this is why NK is so paranoid and building nukes.
No other country is threatened with war for the mistreatment death of one national. It shows a desire for war looking for a pretext. Lots of governments have mistreated US citizens and lead to their deaths. Its all horrible. But its not a casus belli
Its no wonder that NK's chief policy is a deterrent that would foreclose on people thinking like this.
perfectchaos007
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I have always wondered that. I thought the DMZ was neither South Korea OR North Korea. Its just a 5 mile wide neutral zone
Aztechnology
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Condolences to the family. I can't imagine what that would have been like for Otto and his family.
It's people believing that they have the full protectiom of the government and doing stupid things will just get them a slap on the wrist. It happens frequently with teens and young adults sadly. The end result is heartbreaking. But anyone blaming the government for not doing enough is silly. The government isn't going to spark a large international conflict because of one person who ignored all safety warnings, restrictions and took actions they knew were dangerous, possibly deadly.
Outside or a military conflict there's really nothing we can do. We've thrown the book at North Korea already. The only think we could do is get China more involved and frankly, they really don't care. North Korea exists as a buffer zone. As long as they don't prove a big enough threat, they'll essentially never be touched.
It's people believing that they have the full protectiom of the government and doing stupid things will just get them a slap on the wrist. It happens frequently with teens and young adults sadly. The end result is heartbreaking. But anyone blaming the government for not doing enough is silly. The government isn't going to spark a large international conflict because of one person who ignored all safety warnings, restrictions and took actions they knew were dangerous, possibly deadly.
Outside or a military conflict there's really nothing we can do. We've thrown the book at North Korea already. The only think we could do is get China more involved and frankly, they really don't care. North Korea exists as a buffer zone. As long as they don't prove a big enough threat, they'll essentially never be touched.
Fenderputty
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Meh ...
NK doesn't run the risk of war if they just sit in their ivory towers and stop building nukes though. The humanitarian crisis along with proximity to SK and China borders act as nice deterrents as is.
That's a no. It's a place to visit to see and feel the tension of both nations but it's not a place to cross over. I think the North Koreans would immediately arrest you if you did.
NYCmetsfan
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No the DMZ includes territory of both. Its not "neither" Half is SK half is NK.
I'm talking about these rooms
(my last post was wrong, its not the blue house, thats the ROK's President's residence)
Coriolanus
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When one is dealing with a sane, rational actor on the other side, sure. I'd readily agree with that conclusion.
Alas, the orange cretin rules.
Also, as a previous US administration has shown, the country is not above simply making shit up and disregarding UN findings if they wanna bomb some place.
perfectchaos007
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RIP.NYCmetsfan
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I mean, if we signed a peace deal, maybe. But they saw Gaddafi, Saddam and Norega.
There's no guarantee if your chief goal is regime security. Also nukes enable coercive diplomacy which would give them a stronger hand in any negotiations with Japan or SK
Aztechnology
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That's correct. They warn you, that essentially the moment you step over the line, they cannot help you and you will be arrested, detained and all that entails being NK.
Edit: At least that's what I've been told.
Would it be bad if I asked the American solider if he can get me a date with a North Korean solider. I might have to try that tour when I go back to South Korea.
Yeah. It's time to teach NK that the only people aloud to murder Americans with zero repercussions are the police.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
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What the fuck did they do to him ☹️
I can't believe in 2017 you can get put into a coma and die for taking a poster. Fuck NK for this travesty
Sectorseven
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Ok. So instead of a bribe, now you're paying an entrance fee.
Fenderputty
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True, but building nukes and ICBM's started before orange turd took over. Saber-rattling has seemed to increase, but that's my just speaking anecdotally.
Curious how much their leverage in negotiations changes if their good will with china decreases as they continue towards nuclear capabilities.
Damn just remembered I knew a guy who was captured by North Korea and he was let go. He tried to kill himself a few times while detained there. I'd better not say no more. I remember he told me to look him up online. And I was blown away when I found out about all of this.
Mammoth Jones
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RIP to dude.
North Korea gonna pop off eventually. Might as well be prepared for it. The longer it takes the more devastating it'll be.
North Korea gonna pop off eventually. Might as well be prepared for it. The longer it takes the more devastating it'll be.
NYCmetsfan
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Most countries have visa fees....
but your post made two contentions
1) Americans were prohibited, this was never true and even less so after 2010
2) They are getting fake passports, which I can find no evidence of
LostCaress
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Awful news, but after one year coma his fate was probably sealed. Poor guy, RIP.
Haven't they killed foreign nationals as well? (through incompetence rather than malice I hope)
Haven't they killed foreign nationals as well? (through incompetence rather than malice I hope)
locke_21183
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I just had to pay 6 USD to get into the US to stay with my girlfriend's family.
NYCmetsfan
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NK can probably run out the clock on either.
I'm of the opinion baring a radical change from China or Russia (or a formal peace threaty with the US) they will have nukes capable of reaching the entire US, save maybe Miami within 6-7 years.
Getting a visa to America isn't free for everyone. Just saying
Not during this admin. Trump doesn't have the stones to handle North Korea.
Sectorseven
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Are you saying American visa fees line the pockets of nameless government officials or that North Korean entry fees are on the level processing expenses?
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For those in this thread that blamed the victim. I hope you feel like shit because you really deserve to. Absolutely fucking shameful behaviour.
LostCaress
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In a week I'm going to Russia, Mongolia and China and the amount of cash I've spent on visas is well above 400 euro :\ Just the mongolian one (for a 1 day pass) was almost 300 euro.
Atom Heart Mother
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Nah, if anything Trump administration will go hard on this. He gets hard on dealing with other countries
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