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LTTP: Making a Murderer - oh you mother fuckers
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RustyNails
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American Vandal rubbed me the wrong way. To me it seemed like it was making light of events in Manitowoc county.
RustyNails
Member
How did he do it? Not a single speck of blood in his rusty old garage full of iron and steel junk. And apparently he was able to reduce Teresa's body into ashes in a freaking burn barrell. How?
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
This is a documentary...
I learned this from the First 48. And my wife who works somewhat in this type of work. Even if you're innocent-you ALWAYS wait for your lawyer to speak to the police. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS.
DeviantBoi
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Chainsawkitten
Member
Yes there is? Why did I send in a saliva sample as a DNA sample to the bonemarrow registry?
I believe he meant to say "sweat" instead of "saliva"
Voidwolf
Member
OP made it sound like an episodic series...
It's a really good documentary but it's also extremely one sided in favor of making the police look bad (which they were). Ultimately the main guy did commit the crime but the police fucked with things to make him look even more guilty. Basically everyone involved is a piece of shit.
wasnt there an update on Avery as well? that lady thats gotten several guys off completely submitted a whole dissertation(sorry dont know the legal term) like in the last 6 months or so.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
I mean, it's a documentary split across 10 episodes. lol
The saddest part about this show is Brendan Dassey.
Agreed
based on what, exactly?
I need to go look some of it up again because it's been a while since I've talked about this topic (so apologies for not sourcing) but I remember there being other evidence against him that the documentary glosses over. Since i dont have my sources for that on hand i'll understand if you take my 2 cents with a grain of salt
What.
PunishedOkabe
Member
I love how the things OP is freaking out about turn out to be nothing.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
Yea, that's what I'm noticing after each new episode. lmao I forget that a jury in the end has to use all of this evidence to return a verdict but it boggles my mind that none of this phased them.
Skellig Gra
Member
Even if they had all the evidence in the world (they don't) the case should have been a mistrial from Day 1. His constitutional rights were shit all over repeatedly.
Agreed. They should have at the very least taken the trial to a completely different area of Wisconsin
Just because no one in the thread has said it yet:
FUCK Ken Kratz. Him and that guy who interviewed Brendan are scum of the lowest order, they ruined that poor kids life for no reason whatsoever. Their level of misconduct there should carry its own prison sentence. Oh, and also that creepy lawyer that Brendan had too
Seriously, that poor kid
FUCK Ken Kratz. Him and that guy who interviewed Brendan are scum of the lowest order, they ruined that poor kids life for no reason whatsoever. Their level of misconduct there should carry its own prison sentence. Oh, and also that creepy lawyer that Brendan had too
Seriously, that poor kid
backflip10019
Member
Yeah.
I was infuriated after watching the doc, but I think that the evidence that was left out is pretty damning. I absolutely 100% think Stephen was involved in her death. Dassey may have been, too, but he may have not known what he was doing.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
Just because no one in the thread has said it yet:
FUCK Ken Kratz. Him and that guy who interviewed Brendan are scum of the lowest order, they ruined that poor kids life for no reason whatsoever. Their level of misconduct there should carry its own prison sentence. Oh, and also that creepy lawyer that Brendan had too
Seriously, that poor kid
Seriously. Everything about Kratz upsets me greatly.
Also this reporter trying to make the defense lawyer after Colborn's testimony feel like an asshole for interrogating him on the witness stand... what? And what of Steve Avery and how that cop failed to report Gregory Allen in the other jail admitting to the first crime committed? Oh, but let's feel bad for the officer being interrogated. Fuck off.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
This was a show that I just couldn't stop, I think I went through the entire thing in 2 days.
It wasn't a on in the background type situation either, I sat on the couch and intensely watched it spiral further and further down a very dark & disturbing hole.
"okay, this is the last one then well go to bed"
*end of episode*
"wtf did they do now, whats at the junk yard"
netflix auto play starts next episode
"well, can't stop it now"
It wasn't a on in the background type situation either, I sat on the couch and intensely watched it spiral further and further down a very dark & disturbing hole.
"okay, this is the last one then well go to bed"
*end of episode*
"wtf did they do now, whats at the junk yard"
netflix auto play starts next episode
"well, can't stop it now"
found it.
http://www.thewrap.com/making-a-murderer-updates-since-series-premiere-photos/
Also Dassey's confession was upheld as coerced by a federal appeals court.
steve9842016
Neo Member
Yeah I don't recall anything particularly damning outside of the documentary that made me believe Avery did it.
The most damning aspect of the whole thing was Teresa's ex and not investigating him at all. Brendan's incarceration as well.
When you get a chance I'd like to see some info when you find it.
Also fuck Ken Kratz. That dude gets off on his sick fantasy of how it supposedly happened.
This was the biggest red flag for the investigation. The police never considered any other suspects so no one else was ever investigated. They made it their focus to arrest Avery immediately and then prove he was involved. That's not how an investigation should go.
yea, I've watched enough Lt Joe Kenda Homicide Hunter to know you always look at the spouse first.
arts&crafts
Member
I still remember, the ex boyfriend finds the car in the first 15 minutes of searching the yard.... first of all, why would SA leave the car in his lot and secondly what are the odds the ex boyfriend just stumbles upon it in 20 seconds of looking.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
This prosecution pisses me off. The presumption of innocence that police officers get is really something else. I'm halfway into episode 7 and the state attorney on the case with Kratz is saying that his blood is boiling because of the suggestion that the officers may have planted evidence, "these good, decent men." Okay, so despite what happened to Avery the first time and how officers have a history of doing this, we are going to just pretend it's impossible for this to happen? I hate this.
Hum I'm pretty sure it's a woman that found the car, no?
Yeah, and didn't the ex boyfriend and the brother go through the victims phone and start deleting shit? How in the fuck is that not suspicions in the least?
he went into her voicemail and deleted voicemails. He claimed he "Guessed" her password and deleted the voicemails. Why would someone do that if the person is missing?
Skellig Gra
Member
Yes but I believe she was engineered to look in that specific area.
Exactly! How and why this wasn't a bigger part of the investigation astounds me.
LordRaptor
Member
The most infuriating part to me was a part with a judge - I think at a bail hearing - just casually talking about due to his criminal background and time spent in prison there were sufficient grounds for whatever was being argued, when there was like, 100% proof that he had been wrongfully convicted and should not have been in prison all those years in the first place.
I was literally dumbfounded.
That and the interviews with various police when confronted with his previous wrongful conviction and that he had been innocent all along being all like "yea, but was he tho?" and implying that it was some tricky lawyer bullshit shenanigans that had got him off the hook for something he'd totally done, even with all the evidence that said he was absolutely innocent of the crime he had been convicted of (not the one covered in this series)
Yeah, its episodic, and its put together really well so you are really left hanging and wanting to watch the next episode at the end of each.
Like, episode 1 is "Heres a guy, he was wrongfully convicted, evidence has cleared him, he definitely did not do the crime, and now hes been let out of prison" and the end of the episode is like a talking head lawyer saying something like "And at the end of all that, its good to know justice prevailed and this kind of shit gets sorted out" then immediately cuts to a news report that hes been arrested again as the end.
(watched it when it came out so memory probably faulty on the details)
I was literally dumbfounded.
That and the interviews with various police when confronted with his previous wrongful conviction and that he had been innocent all along being all like "yea, but was he tho?" and implying that it was some tricky lawyer bullshit shenanigans that had got him off the hook for something he'd totally done, even with all the evidence that said he was absolutely innocent of the crime he had been convicted of (not the one covered in this series)
Yeah, its episodic, and its put together really well so you are really left hanging and wanting to watch the next episode at the end of each.
Like, episode 1 is "Heres a guy, he was wrongfully convicted, evidence has cleared him, he definitely did not do the crime, and now hes been let out of prison" and the end of the episode is like a talking head lawyer saying something like "And at the end of all that, its good to know justice prevailed and this kind of shit gets sorted out" then immediately cuts to a news report that hes been arrested again as the end.
(watched it when it came out so memory probably faulty on the details)
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
It's really amazing that there is sooooo much footage from this trial. How popular was this damn case? Jesus Christ
PunishedOkabe
Member
What about shit like burning the cat alive and beating and threatening to kill his girlfriend?
Apocryphon
Member
I think the general assumption is that the police had already searched the property without a warrant and found the car, then told whoever found it where to look.
RustyNails
Member
Its not the same thing as killing a human being holy shit. He's white trash. Not a member of aristocracy.
PunishedOkabe
Member
I'm saying he had more of a criminal background than a false conviction
Apocryphon
Member
The evidence not discussed or misrepresented in the documentary along with the *67 phonecalls he made, the burn barrel/pit evidence, and that he had opportunity were enough for me to believe he did it. I do think Brandon helped move stuff and clean but I think he was manipulated by Avery and his interviews and conviction are disgusting.
The cops may have planted the evidence to try and secure a conviction and the ex-boyfriend and victims brother should have been investigated as that never sat right with me, but I do think Avery killed her.
I don't know who built this website, but http://stevenaverycase.com is an interesting read.
The cops may have planted the evidence to try and secure a conviction and the ex-boyfriend and victims brother should have been investigated as that never sat right with me, but I do think Avery killed her.
I don't know who built this website, but http://stevenaverycase.com is an interesting read.
To Far Away Times
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The prosecution team should be serving Brendan's sentence.
LordRaptor
Member
Like I say, its from memory when I watched it, but the implication wasn't "Because you did some dumbass edgelord shit as a teenager 30 years ago".
It was "Because you served 30 years for horrific rape murder".
A crime that he was exonerated of.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
A lot of shady stuff in this investigation that was handled horrible, but I do believe Avery did it.
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