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Torment: Tides of Numenera Kickstarter by InXile [Complete; $4.3 million funded]
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Brother None
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There's no XP for specifically killing enemies, but resolving quests or challenges will be rewarded with appropriate XP and battles are a part of that. Remember also we use "Crisis" design that are a bit more diverse than just combat, and you may be able to find a non-combat solution to an encounter and still get equivalent XP.
BrokenFiction
Member
This would be the greatest RPG of all time. A monstrously complex dialog tree that leads to defeating the final boss based on clues from the whole game.
*swoons*
*passes out*
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It depends on how combat heavy the game is and how tedious the battle system is.
I agree with this. I don't mind no exp in combat, but the combat itself has to be good. There should also be loot rewards for beating enemies. Get equipment from armored enemies and ingredients from wild animals, demons and such.
I guess you're right. Planescape combat gave exp but I avoided it as much as possible because it wasn't that great.
If Wasteland 2 did not give combat exp, I might have tried to avoid some encounters. I already avoid every random encounter on the overworld map because I feel the combat is decent but not great.
In general, I think players tend to be more forgiving with a poor combat system if it gives exp. There's still a feeling of getting "rewarded" with every kill.
I don't mind either way (exp or not), as long as the design and systems are well thought out.
Hoping it's more Dragonfall DC than Divinity in the 'unique and interesting' department.
I don't think Shadowrun Returns has particularly interesting combat encounters though. There are a couple of good ones in Dragonfall, but the majority aren't really that engaging. Divinity OS had some really good tactical set ups purely for combat options, but the balance was rather shit at times.
In the end I want Torment to be like either. Based on the descriptions of their system design and the promises they're making about the encounters in the game, what I am expecting are much more scripted scenarios which don't necessarily have to be resolved by killing all foes even as a combat encounter. I want to see stuff where you can use your skills and abilities to influence the environment and trigger things which can change the nature of the encounter.
Stuff like a hostage situation, or being locked in a dungeon, or defending against an invasion, or needing to get into a museum to steal something. Such scenarios where the final objective is not to kill hostile involved, but killing every hostile involved could be one of several ways to meet that objective. Sometimes it might be more ideal, sometimes less ideal. I want combat to be used for encounters like that, rather than "there are 5 enemies in the room who you must kill before proceeding to the next area".
In the end I want Torment to be like either. Based on the descriptions of their system design and the promises they're making about the encounters in the game, what I am expecting are much more scripted scenarios which don't necessarily have to be resolved by killing all foes even as a combat encounter. I want to see stuff where you can use your skills and abilities to influence the environment and trigger things which can change the nature of the encounter.
Stuff like a hostage situation, or being locked in a dungeon, or defending against an invasion, or needing to get into a museum to steal something. Such scenarios where the final objective is not to kill hostile involved, but killing every hostile involved could be one of several ways to meet that objective. Sometimes it might be more ideal, sometimes less ideal. I want combat to be used for encounters like that, rather than "there are 5 enemies in the room who you must kill before proceeding to the next area".
Depends on the battles. There's plenty of games where battles are a slog and the only reason to bother with them is for the XP. A terrible battle system with no tangible rewards is a no-win scenario.
Basileus777
Member
They did it because they already did the work creating a turn based game for Wasteland 2.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
This would definitely negate the droll EXP-less combat.
Pillars of Eternity is ridiculous because you can't figure out what is going on.
Brother None
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Not really. Not that it wasn't a factor, but by that same logic you could point out PoE had already done the work on RTwP that we could lean on. There were multiple factors going into the decision, including a backer-only vote.
It being Turn-Based does fit in well with the Crisis concept I mentioned above and that Purkake is alluding to. Combat will not just be you-hit-them they-hit-you, these encounters will be significantly more diverse and complex.
note: this is wip and will be painted over to create the final render
It says so on the image.
It says so on the image.
I mean that they won't be using 3D models for the game, this will become a painting. They are laying out the environments though this way.
In case anyone get's concerned over what they see. The actual content is stunning though.
Yes, that's true. They are using stuff that are also used on Pillars of Eternity, after all.
Colin McComb discusses developing for player experience and perception at EGX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FqNSE96y0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FqNSE96y0I
That link no longer works but the video is up here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36k6v6k4xoI
It's an excellent watch/listen, though people should be cautioned that it may contain some spoilery material.
hemtae
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nonadventurer
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New video showing off the world and a bit of the combat as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybqE8FlLrqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybqE8FlLrqg
Oh man, that looks great. In particular they seem to have nailed the exotic, alien, and weird setting people expect with "Torment" in the title. It also looks like they're pushing PoE's engine further technically to be able to do things it wasn't capable of originally. I'll be interested to see how the turn-based combat plays out.
Didn't realize that RPS had a subscriber section. Considering how much I enjoy their content thanks for pointing that out for me.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
hemtae
Member
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
See, now I am so jealous.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It's highly unlikely that anything is non-NDA. It's an Alpha.
There's lots and lots of text. And the writing is top notch and this is only for creating your character.
I'm a bit teary eyed. I wish I hadn't tried it. There's so much to read. Atmosphere will be great. I love the style they went with for character creation. Fuck, why did I boot this thing up?
I'm a bit teary eyed. I wish I hadn't tried it. There's so much to read. Atmosphere will be great. I love the style they went with for character creation. Fuck, why did I boot this thing up?
Brother None
Member
There's no NDA. Backers can share impressions or even screenshots and video, we do not like trying to control that kind of sharing.
Sweet, nice to see you guys going all in with the backer interaction and feedback.