The Jackdog
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Jim Ryan is the Sony Don Mattrick
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Jim Ryan on Indies 'It was just good to talk about in 2013. It is less relevant now'
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Azure Phoenix
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Just what is wrong with this guy? Microsoft's indie showcase was one of the most interesting segments of E3, I'd rather have 1 min of footage each for 8 indie games where 1 or 2 piques my interest enough that I then go looking for a full trailer than sitting through 8 mins of another zombie snorefest with "moral choices" that I don't care about.
What I meant was, indies needed to burst out of the notion of "small, disposable" category that they were pigeon-holed in by Xbox Live Arcade and PS3 digital. They were hugely successful in doing so.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Indies: everyone wants it, but we worry about the children
I understand what he's saying. Thread title is misleading imo
I understand what he's saying. Thread title is misleading imo
You do realize they showed a bunch of AAA games and indie games in the conference
Full quote isn't bad at all.
In a way, I kind of agree with him. 3-5 years ago indie games were something of a novelty and having lots of cool ones on your platform was a draw. But now, the industry doesn't make much distinction between indies and more traditional larger games. They've been successfully integrated so they don't need to go out of their way to give them special attention.
In a way, I kind of agree with him. 3-5 years ago indie games were something of a novelty and having lots of cool ones on your platform was a draw. But now, the industry doesn't make much distinction between indies and more traditional larger games. They've been successfully integrated so they don't need to go out of their way to give them special attention.
Frag Waffles
Member
Perfectly reasonable response if you read it in full.
You made my point way better than I did, haha.
immortal-joe
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We should hold worst thread title awards every year.
It used to be a lot better than this to be sure. At this point I really don't know why I keep coming, other than familiarity. I'd be better off just getting my latest video game news through Giantbomb and Easy Allies podcasts, instead of wading through the cesspool of controversy craving for the lulz shitposts in an attempt to find some kind of relevant gaming discussion.
This might just be the last thread needed to get me to delete my account, honestly.
That's the 'step back' part. I get that you don't like Microsoft...that hasn't changed since the days you were on IGN. You're apparently not interested in releasing your games on Xbox and they can't do anything right in your eyes.
So now imagine Phil Spencer had said that exact quote. Would your take still be how great it is that someone finally started telling it like it is and indies should be at other shows, not E3?
"Indie" games is kind of broad brush these days. While I agree with the idea that putting 10 games in a minute sizzle reel is stupid, that's also stupid for AAA games, but not devoting any time to the top three or four coming to the system is a huge backpedal and I can't understand why an indie dev would support the idea.
Mushroomer25
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Microsoft didn't just debut the ONE with unattractive features. They totally and completely failed to sell their audience on what those features were, and how they would benefit from their implimentation. You can make people believe in bad policy - it's just a matter of marketing. E3 is that occasion for marketing, and it's where Sony dropped the ball this year. They failed to sell their brand as something that is "For The Players".
SenkiDala
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Yeah, but taking a tiny part of the quote out of its context and using it as the thread title to troll is way funnier, who cares what he's actually saying. Read 90% of the answers here, it's pretty obvious that nobody cares.
Seems a reasonable enough thing to say when you actually bother to read the article (Or even the full quote in the first post) and not just the thread title, as most posters here clearly have done... but then again, gaf will gaf so the OP deserves plenty of blame knowingly cooking up such a shitty thread title as well.
Yeah, by showing nothing but... uh... videogames?
Yeah, by showing nothing but... uh... videogames?
MetalliCabombination
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The modding standards have been garbage lately.
If you want this thread clean ans youre deleting your account anyway so say something thing ' i don't think switch will do well at all'
Mods will come running
Empyrean Heaven
Member
Jim Ryan is really starting to remind me of Jack Tretton, I loved him but man he could say the most arrogant things. His rants against Nintendo were legendary.
Omegabalmung9
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You know what, this is actually true. I remember a few years back going to the PSN store and saying "Let me see what indie games are out today", but now its pretty much "Let me see what games are out today".
I have been very vocal about how great ID@Xbox is. They are easily better than Sony in regards to indie outreach. When I announced my game for PS4, MS contacted me and had very great and kind things to say about my game and we had some fantastic discussions. With Sony it kind of feels more like I'm running uphill.
I would probably think, "oh good he saw his own press conference and realized it was not the best way to roll out indies onto the stage."
I don't think it's fair to blame anything on the mods. The sheer volume of shit spewing out of Gaf posters these days is profound. They're volunteers, not full-time, paid employees. During E3, there were pinned posts on the front page about dumb, lazy, reactionary threads not being allowed and people still filled the first page with them. Honestly, the mods probably just need to start nuking accounts for bad threads or relentless shitposting.
Empyrean Heaven
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To play devil's advocate, I almost think that Jim is saying that there isn't an indy market anymore. Thanks to crowdfunding and social media marketing, indy game budgets have ballooned to the point where they are unrecognizable from AAA games. And with digital releases being the primary game-delivery service for hardcore gamers, it's impossible to show off a game nowadays and say for sure what it is. The distinction is gone.
RecRoulette
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"We believe indies like Undertale and Matterfall are as important as our main titles such as Gran Turismo."
Fredrik
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Oh right he lumped them together with GTSport and PlayLink. Wonderful. Well GTSport would sell with zero coverage and PlayLink is barely even casual gaming. I think it's disrespectful to not give indie games some stage time at an event like this, many games are awesome and more aimed at core gamers even than Sonys own 1st party games. A short video would be enough. Sony could afford that, just to show their appreciation. Doesn't matter how they explain it really, if I were an indie dev I would be pissed how little they cared that I put my game on their platform.
Katana_Strikes
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Nothing wrong with what he said and I'd completely agree. It makes total sense.
smh at the misleading OP headline and people not reading what he actually said.
smh at the misleading OP headline and people not reading what he actually said.
Ninja Scooter
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If he means to say that indies were more important at the start of the gen as a means to flesh out lineups and now that AAA development is in full swing, they are less so, then I probably agree.
Blackleg-sanji1
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First bolded I don't see what's bad about that at all
2nd bolded idk about that at all..
Sony put ni no kuni,knack 2,Gt sport, matterfall, The inpatient, everybody's golf on the pre show it most certainly wasn't an haha indies thing
Michael F. Assbender
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Nostradamus, is that you?
Primethius
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Shadowhelper
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Well, their relevancy is tied to how well they sell. Sony used to have team dedicated to aquiring and distributing Indie games. That team is disbanded and formed a new team. Sony has no such team anymore.
Clearly Sony is stepping away from Indies in the way they use to be involved with them.
Clearly Sony is stepping away from Indies in the way they use to be involved with them.
Ryan, Spencer and Spicer took the same PR class.
which is a shame imo
So what you're saying is there's a chance CSD2 is heading to Xbox One X?
Actions speak louder than words.
Fredrik
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Well it's just too bad that lots of people missed the pre show completely and just saw the real E3 presentation. But fair enough, still great that something was shown.
Transistor
Banned
Wow, that is the most clickbait title ever
I rather have indies than this:
Games with trees?