The Jackdog
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Jim Ryan is the Sony Don Mattrick
Not that I wholly disagree with the point you want to make, but "they are here, they are making tons of cash" also applies to most AAA releases, so it kind of invalidates the purpose of E3 as a whole if that's the criteria you use to stop showcasing something there.
You do realize they showed a bunch of AAA games and indie games in the conferenceRead the full quote instead of the thread title. I don't think he's wrong. Just could have worded it better.
Ps <3 indies plugged a gap in their lineup in the early days of the console where there wasn't that much to play. console gamers know about them now as opposed to last-gen where you had a few notable releases and nothing else. the cream will generally float to the top. ps+ also helps despite some people hating those offerings.
Does ms really <3 indies now or were they just plugging a hole in their lineup due to nothing new to show for exclusives in their presser? You know those titles would have been dropped quick if they had a new Halo or some other larger AAA game to focus on.
Full quote isn't bad at all.
In a way, I kind of agree with him. 3-5 years ago indie games were something of a novelty and having lots of cool ones on your platform was a draw. But now, the industry doesn't make much distinction between indies and more traditional larger games. They've been successfully integrated.
Didn't GAF use to be a place to come to get the full story, as opposed to the place creating endless controversies? Or is that just the idealized way I like to remember oldGAF? Time for a culling.
Anyway, reading the full quote this is more just disappointing than controversial, though Ryan could definitely use some speaking to the press training. The indie focus was one of the main reasons those early PlayStation 4 showcases were so great. Is this new indie frustration a result of the No Man's Sky fiasco?
Microsoft's conference was basically 75% indies. I didn't like it. (And I didn't really like Sony's conference this year either).
Microsoft didn't just debut the ONE with unattractive features. They totally and completely failed to sell their audience on what those features were, and how they would benefit from their implimentation. You can make people believe in bad policy - it's just a matter of marketing. E3 is that occasion for marketing, and it's where Sony dropped the ball this year. They failed to sell their brand as something that is "For The Players".I'm saying that those things were such huge stories that they would have been detrimental and benficial no matter where they were shown. Those things didn't blow up because they were at E3. They blew up because after E3 ended it became a sticking point. And it would have became a sticking point if Microsoft did nothing but detail their launch plans in a regular Youtube video or blog post. It being at E3 didn't gain or hurt exposure for anyone.
My whole point is that big stories are big because they're important. And not showing indies at an hour long stage show while Sony is still actively pursuing and releasing indie titles is not a big or important story to the average consumer. And isn't going to be any bigger of a story because of what they did or didn't show at E3.
People heard about Xbone and didn't like how it was going to effect them playing video games. If Sony still puts out indie titles consistently, your average consumer is going to give a negative amount of fucks if they didn't show it on stage because the end result is an unchanged experience with their console.
Perfectly reasonable response if you read it in full.
They failed to sell their brand as something that is "For The Players".
The modding standards have been garbage lately.It used to be a lot better than this to be sure. At this point I really don't know why I keep coming, other than familiarity. I'd be better off just getting my latest video game news through Giantbomb and Easy Allies podcasts, instead of wading through the cesspool of controversy craving for the lulz shitposts in an attempt to find some kind of relevant gaming discussion.
This might just be the last thread needed to get me to delete my account, honestly.
They're starting to run out of steam now in terms of continuing to be relevant in 2011 and beyond,' he added. 'I mean, you've gotta be kidding me. Why would I buy a gaming system without a hard drive in it? How does this thing scale? Motion gaming is cute, but if I can only wave my arms six inches, how does this really feel like I'm doing true accurate motion gaming?'
'Our view of the 'Game Boy experience' is that it's a great babysitting tool, something young kids do on airplanes, but no self-respecting twenty-something is going to be sitting on an airplane with one of those,' he said. 'He's too old for that.'
[Wii] is a lollipop, and I'm too old for lollipops.
Full quote isn't bad at all.
In a way, I kind of agree with him. 3-5 years ago indie games were something of a novelty and having lots of cool ones on your platform was a draw. But now, the industry doesn't make much distinction between indies and more traditional larger games. They've been successfully integrated so they don't need to go out of their way to give them special attention.
That's the 'step back' part. I get that you don't like Microsoft...that hasn't changed since the days you were on IGN. You're apparently not interested in releasing your games on Xbox and they can't do anything right in your eyes.
So now imagine Phil Spencer had said that exact quote. Would your take still be how great it is that someone finally started telling it like it is and indies should be at other shows, not E3?
The modding standards have been garbage lately.
If you want this thread clean ans youre deleting your account anyway so say something thing ' i don't think switch will do well at all'
Mods will come running
In context of the entire conversation he's not wrong. There are other things that were literally more relevant given the limited amount of presentation time.
Messaging though - christ. Think of a better way to say it that won't be mined into oblivion.
Oh right he lumped them together with GTSport and PlayLink. Wonderful. Well GTSport would sell with zero coverage and PlayLink is barely even casual gaming. I think it's disrespectful to not give indie games some stage time at an event like this, many games are awesome and more aimed at core gamers even than Sonys own 1st party games. A short video would be enough. Sony could afford that, just to show their appreciation. Doesn't matter how they explain it really, if I were an indie dev I would be pissed how little they cared that I put my game on their platform.He legitimately did not single out indie games.
No one will read the full quote.
One of the things we have realised is that these video collages of ten indie games shown in a minute, is almost meaningless. Nobody can really learn anything about the games in that sort of time. It is almost viewed as wasted time.
First bolded I don't see what's bad about that at allOh right he lumped them together with GTSport and PlayLink. Wonderful. Well GTSport would sell with zero coverage and PlayLink is barely even casual gaming. I think it's disrespectful to not give indie games some stage time at an event like this, many games are awesome and more aimed at core gamers even than Sonys own 1st party games. A short video would be enough. Sony could afford that, just to show their appreciation. Doesn't matter how they explain it really, if I were an indie dev I would be pissed how little they cared that I put my game on their platform.
Me either. They want to show off VR now, people love making fake outrage now days. This thread will get to over 10 pages with less than 90% actually reading what he said.
Oh right he lumped them together with GTSport and PlayLink. Wonderful. Well GTSport would sell with zero coverage and PlayLink is barely even casual gaming. I think it's disrespectful to not give indie games some stage time at an event like this, many games are awesome and more aimed at core gamers even than Sonys own 1st party games. A short video would be enough. Sony could afford that, just to show their appreciation. Doesn't matter how they explain it really, if I were an indie dev I would be pissed how little they cared that I put my game on their platform.
This dude is the Spicer of video game PR
Well, their relevancy is tied to how well they sell. Sony used to have team dedicated to aquiring and distributing Indie games. That team is disbanded and formed a new team. Sony has no such team anymore.
Clearly Sony is stepping away from Indies in the way they use to be involved with them.
I have been very vocal about how great ID@Xbox is. They are easily better than Sony in regards to indie outreach. When I announced my game for PS4, MS contacted me and had very great and kind things to say about my game and we had some fantastic discussions. With Sony it kind of feels more like I'm running uphill.
The full quote is reasonable, he even says indies are important but we go with a click bait title and become incredibly unproductive so thanks for that.
Well it's just too bad that lots of people missed the pre show completely and just saw the real E3 presentation. But fair enough, still great that something was shown.First bolded I don't see what's bad about that at all
2nd bolded idk about that at all..
Sony put ni no kuni,knack 2,Gt sport, matterfall, The inpatient, everybody's golf on the pre show it most certainly wasn't an haha indies thing
I rather have indies than this: