A lot of textbooks, diagrams, etc. show the sack hanging lower than the wang. I've never understood it. How can your dick be smaller than your balls?
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Pres. Eisenhower met with ETs on 3 occasions, claims Pentagon consultant, former Rep.
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A lot of textbooks, diagrams, etc. show the sack hanging lower than the wang. I've never understood it. How can your dick be smaller than your balls?
Over time dicks have gotten bigger, since we usually will show our penis before having a kid, the small dicks eventually get washed out since chicks are choosing bigger dicks and reproducing bigger-dicked kids.
It's the only explanation.
you mean your penis is small
FunkyPajamas
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hella bullets that's true
discussing aliens on TV, better look as batshit crazy as possible
And the results were intended to be publicly released...over a large city at high altitude. But the particulars of the project remain hidden, except what was archived and declassified, and then participating members felt allowed to talk about some of it decades later. For the most part people still don't know how extensive the projects were, that there were multiple atomic research bases all over the country, etc. We just have some basics about Alamogordo, very little about Oak Ridge, things that people have researched and released for over half a century. If it was to remain a state secret, it probably would have.
It's not that difficult to keep secrets from a populace that doesn't really want to know. Or they're satisfied with just the entertainment value of something. Or it's deemed to be impossible, so if anything does make it out, it's discredited or disregarded. It's possible to keep big secrets, if it's worth keeping.
PinkCrayon
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Just sounds like a routine meeting with Asgard.
Combichristoffersen
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Nordic looking aliens!
Man, I wish this stuff turns out to be true, it would be so rad....
Man, I wish this stuff turns out to be true, it would be so rad....
Now those are the kinds of aliens I would like us to make first contact with!
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Talking aliens and metal, how about Duck Dodgers using Megadeth to blow up the enemy armada? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG7QbiPtH9M
Wouldn't he get infected by a super virus or something if he met ET's? Sounds fake
Not if Eisenhower was also an alien!
Meus Renaissance
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The Nordic description was first popularised in the early 50's by a man named George Adamski, a controversial and divisive figure, with his myriad of photographs and book(s) detailing his meetings with them. I don't think there was anything like it at the time. Another named Billy Meir, largely deemed a hoaxer now, again evoked the Nordic description in the early 80s and I think those are the only two memorable examples. What has set them apart wasn't just their appearance but, unlike typical portrayals of aliens in mass culture at the time as well as in modern times, they were not deemed hostile or suspicious - they were not involved in abductions but rather mere observation and its largely for that reason that their memory has still remained; they are the polar opposite to the Greys.
According to the story (there are some differences in the detail depending on who you talk to), they met Eisenhower and offered a relationship, one where they cited no exchange of technology would occur on principle because mankind was irresponsible and where Earth had to disarm their nuclear arsenal before such a relationship began. This was difficult for Eisenhower to consider for obvious reasons and it led to a divide between the 'civilian' and military side of government apparently, suggesting that the offer was taken seriously by some.
There is also another side to the story (or perhaps different iteration altogether) where the Greys make a deal with the US government where technology is exchanged for permission to perform medical experiments on a "very limited" demographic of the population. They would need to pass on the identities of those taken to the authorities and have their memories of the incident wiped. Eventually the Greys stopped abiding by this treaty altogether when it became apparent the number of abductees was in reality far more than imagined.
According to the story (there are some differences in the detail depending on who you talk to), they met Eisenhower and offered a relationship, one where they cited no exchange of technology would occur on principle because mankind was irresponsible and where Earth had to disarm their nuclear arsenal before such a relationship began. This was difficult for Eisenhower to consider for obvious reasons and it led to a divide between the 'civilian' and military side of government apparently, suggesting that the offer was taken seriously by some.
There is also another side to the story (or perhaps different iteration altogether) where the Greys make a deal with the US government where technology is exchanged for permission to perform medical experiments on a "very limited" demographic of the population. They would need to pass on the identities of those taken to the authorities and have their memories of the incident wiped. Eventually the Greys stopped abiding by this treaty altogether when it became apparent the number of abductees was in reality far more than imagined.
Your Al Bundy reference....I see it.
OH MY GOD
You're talking about small details. The existence of the atomic bomb, or less specifically the existence of the Manhattan project could never have remained a secret indefinitely or without the proper context of occurring during a war. If aliens have been visiting the earth, meeting world leaders and building bases, there is little doubt it could not be kept a secret for long.
Think about it. You seem to look at the human race as simultaneously easily controlled and manipulated by their government or their emotions, but also impenetrable vaults if your position requires it.
Baron
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its called the "need to know method"
you can have 500 000 people working on something and only a handfull off the guys at the top have a clear understanding of what they are doing
you've got a crew of 10 000 providing gasoline is readily available
they don't have a fucking clue what they are doing other then their task in providing gasoline
thats all they "need to know"
and its not kept a secret really
tons of respectable people have come forward but are not believed
apparently they just all commit career suicide for fun i guess
radioheadrule83
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Weesa people gonna die?
Someone watches too many movies.
Maybe he just has some ideas of government project compartmentalization.
and no, not the human race as a whole, being vulnerable to control and secrecy via writ by authority under threat of law, just individuals or groups of individuals reliant upon said authority for their family livelihoods.Kharvey16 said:
Blackace
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Not a lot of black Nords
He clearly does not.
Who has committed career suicide by coming out about ETs? As far as I can tell, it is old retired guys with nothing to lose that seem to talk about it. Probably looking for attention more than anything else.
His examples are oversimplified, but he's not that far off is he? And if so, how so?
The idea that you have a couple guys at the top who know everything and everyone else just toils away doing one specific job without having a clue what's going on is Hollywood nonsense. And don't forget this isn't only one country assumed to have amazing security but however many countries have these bases or have met these aliens.
Blackace
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Actually the Manhattan project worked exactly like that...
Actually the idea is that if you inject an idea into enough movies, you will have a conditioned reaction from any "culturally sophisticated" person who can simply say "oh, haha, just like in that movie, right? Dream on, man....".
You won't see Pooty Poot coming out to Russian TV say anything about aliens, no. But there have been former defense ministers and high ranking military saying that their governments know more than what they're telling. Basically if there was a global stop snitchin campaign, is it too far out of the realm to expect that most globally connected members in the know wouldn't say shit? Would they go to their local tabloid rag and spill about something no one would believe anyway? No. So the fact that other countries, much like this one, haven't been shouting from the parapets doesn't let you make the assumption that there' nothing to tell.
And yes when you say it like that, it does seem like Hollywood nonsense, but when you break it down into multiple component projects with only the team leads or project directors knowing what the teams are actually working to accomplish, and the research teams have nothing to do with staging, or field operations, and you're not allowed to discuss with anyone out side of your team, it stops sounding like Tom Cruise and starts sounding like very many people's average 9 to 5. Even private companies use infosec techniques now to control or restrict data. You tell someone to crunch a bunch of numbers, or research a bunch of data and deliver the results, but don't tell them why, and they're not even allowed to ask why, most people will just do their jobs. "Conspiracies" as they're probably improperly called, don't have to be Hollywood dramatic, they just have to be efficient managers of data, time, and personnel, with a focus on keeping everything under wraps. The 'front line' doesn't even need to involve all that many people. How many folks really need to be involved in Ike's meeting with ET? Or to see it happen?
This wasn't the day the Earth stood Still. No lines of soldiers and Tanks waiting to greet Gort.
But many knew and kept quiet because there was a war. There was motivation to remain quiet, namely your friends and you friends friends being sent to fight. That also did not involve the direct cooperation and participation of numerous governments.
This isn't a classified radar or some new product developed at a private company. This would involve many people at many levels. Unless you think some secret underground base that can hold a space ship or whatever isn't going to make a steam fitter wonder to himself, the mere suggestion anything like this could remain so tightly controlled and regulated is pretty laughable. You don't think the person responsible for blowing the lid off such a thing wouldn't instantly be famous and rich beyond anyone's wildest dreams? Those who have written books allegedly trying to do this in the past haven't met that success because all of them lack credibility, evidence and any semblance of a true story.
What are you assuming about the participation of entire governments? This Eisenhower meeting, it was already stated that he told everyone he was going to be hanging out in Palm Beach. So it's possible that maybe 15 people actually knew what was going on, maybe even less. Maybe more, but that's not a proven necessity. Why not the same in another country? Why does it have to be all the governments in the world getting some mass email about the new secret they all have to keep?
reply: They didn't have to build the alien bases for the aliens, dude. The aliens were just being nice and letting them know they were going to crash on the couch, somewhere within the many thousands of square miles that is America. And who's going to blow a lid? Some guy tried that with Area 51 years ago, he sold a few books, ended up on TV, and now he sells fucking magnets on the internet. His wildest dream come true. Maybe if he had been able to sneak out with a handful of Element 113 or something as proof, right?
Because apparently these aliens established relationships over the course of many administrations and regimes and built bases and what have you. Please, this whole thing is utterly ridiculous.
StalkerUKCG
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I read the First post on the first page, skip to page 4 and i see this.
I dont care how we got to this point but that is hilarious.
Maybe they just sent an email to CIASpook@Cia.gov. Maybe they sent a message by pigeon post. They have to be drinking buddies now? Established relationships? They need to call MissUtility before they dig? They supposedly have a base in the Marianas Trench, you think they called in for a permit? The thing that's ridiculous is all the hoops and hurdles of 'logic' you're erecting for something that pretty much defies anything but the most practical logic.
Unbelievably powerful group that US mil/gov were fairly on the lookout for, somehow get a message to government that they want to be taken to the leader. Naturally this would only go by the highest channels, and not a lot of bullshit is going to be involved. How do you want to do this? They want a time and a place and they'll be there. You're not going to involve your cabinet or call a session of Congress. The less people that know anything, the better. And the same probably goes for any one else the reached out to. There was no meeting at the UN, and we're still only assuming how much contact was made with other leaders. You're assuming a conspiracy of millions, when it could just as easily be a conspiracy of tens. With everyone else laughing at jokes about little green men and flying saucers.
fierrotlepou
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Why do people say these things? Have they gone insane? Do they think it's funny?
What are you talking about? Did they build these bases with robots maybe? Or did a bunch of aliens come down and take care of the whole thing? You're not thinking any of this through. They have an established relationship if they can contact the government and meet the president and then get everyone to agree to a base in the US. How do you define the word?
I'm sorry reality stands in the way of your little alien fantasy. It's not my fault.
So why not a bunch of aliens came down with their alien bulldozers and dug a big hole underneath the surface out in the middle of nowhere-not-to-be-seen? They're going to ask the government to build them a base, really? Why, exactly? Out of fear of the teamsters union? Because they're unable to do so? And again, on what is that assumption based? They asked for clearance, not a rental property.
And no you don't really need an established relationship in order to establish contact. It was a matter of national security. All they needed to do was show up in a saucer and say take me to your leaders, I'm a goddamn space alien. Run an army jeep off the road and say "hey, take this to your boss, they'll get a kick out of it." Sure there are protocols, but do space aliens really have much need for protocol?
I'm not thinking this through? Maybe your problem is your brain is too full of thinks.
The US allowed a base to be built. I don't understand how you can deny this signifies some kind of relationship. If I show up and ask to build a tree house on your property, you and I have established a relationship. Not a difficult concept I assure you. If I also say that no one can know about my tree house, you need to make sure no one stumbles across it.
Hey, if you want to believe in this nonsense that's your decision. Just don't expect others to not get a good laugh at your expense.
Laugh it up, fuzzball. ;0
Call it nonsense if you want, but I think the way you've got it all organized is so confused, I'd probably call it ridiculous myself.
See this is the issue with UFOology(?).
Instead of focusing all the attention on outright weird events that have occurred and were witnessed by mass numbers of people, they focus on absolutely ridiculous claims like this. Just look at the "green fireballs" that occured around NM during nuclear testing, it's weird stuff.
So we have these stories that ET's came to Earth, located world leaders, had meetings with them, and traded technology for permission to experiment.
Ok...
Do our scientists go locate in secret and communicate with the queen of an anthill before doing experiments? Why in the world would an ET, who ironically has the capabilities to travel here from extreme distances (the closest star system is about 4 light years away), need to trade with us to save their species? I mean come on, it's complete and utter bullshit.
These stories remind me of religion. Humans throughout history create these elaborate mythologies about gods and deities, and guess what, every one of them throughout history is based on themselves, based on humans.
I'm babbling / speculating / making stuff up on an ET species, which is ridiculous in itself because we can't possibly begin to understand what a technologically advanced ET species would be like, it just goes to show that all these stories and claims are the same thing.
Instead of focusing all the attention on outright weird events that have occurred and were witnessed by mass numbers of people, they focus on absolutely ridiculous claims like this. Just look at the "green fireballs" that occured around NM during nuclear testing, it's weird stuff.
So we have these stories that ET's came to Earth, located world leaders, had meetings with them, and traded technology for permission to experiment.
Ok...
Do our scientists go locate in secret and communicate with the queen of an anthill before doing experiments? Why in the world would an ET, who ironically has the capabilities to travel here from extreme distances (the closest star system is about 4 light years away), need to trade with us to save their species? I mean come on, it's complete and utter bullshit.
These stories remind me of religion. Humans throughout history create these elaborate mythologies about gods and deities, and guess what, every one of them throughout history is based on themselves, based on humans.
I'm babbling / speculating / making stuff up on an ET species, which is ridiculous in itself because we can't possibly begin to understand what a technologically advanced ET species would be like, it just goes to show that all these stories and claims are the same thing.
Honestly, I think it could be true, but fairly improbable. It's also possible this guy stumbled onto something meant to be found, or meant to cause people to discredit themselves, or some misinformation intentionally left out for people with big mouths. So it could be false too. But you can't contain something like this by our established standards and basis for logic, because our current logic doesn't really allow for aliens from light years away in the first place. (And with Kharvey, that's probably where it all began and ended anyway.) Instead of looking at something and saying 'there's no reason', you almost have to say 'ok...*if* there is a reason, what could it possibly be?' You have to expand your logic to include hypothetical improbabilities. You can't sit and wait for peer reviewed conclusions or rely on things we know, because the subject matter is all about things outside of our scope, about which we know very little. So don't commit to anything, just keep an open mind.
You might not ask the queen bee before you started taking honey, but if contact was made, what would be the reasons behind it, besides crazy old man making shit up for attention? Maybe they needed cooperation, maybe they needed to have an agreement, maybe they wanted to quiet the beehive down before the stingers came out, maybe some factor on their side required an exchange of some sort, who knows? The break in the logic of story isn't the motives of the aliens. If they did something, you can assume there's a reason for it, or a cause behind whatever action.
The problem with UFOlogy is the lack of concrete proof, a lack of information, and literally the lack of a clear picture. All we have are strange observations of unexplained phenomena, and a lot of unfilled blanks. And the most open mind in the world with all the hypotheticals isn't going to get too far with that. So the best we can do is keep making observations, while not ruling things out unless they're absolutes. Things like this story, you take with a large salt tablet, because all you have is this guy's word and his former position. It doesn't get you any closer to the truth really. Not without evidence. But neither does unnecessarily declaring all of this to be impossible.
You might not ask the queen bee before you started taking honey, but if contact was made, what would be the reasons behind it, besides crazy old man making shit up for attention? Maybe they needed cooperation, maybe they needed to have an agreement, maybe they wanted to quiet the beehive down before the stingers came out, maybe some factor on their side required an exchange of some sort, who knows? The break in the logic of story isn't the motives of the aliens. If they did something, you can assume there's a reason for it, or a cause behind whatever action.
The problem with UFOlogy is the lack of concrete proof, a lack of information, and literally the lack of a clear picture. All we have are strange observations of unexplained phenomena, and a lot of unfilled blanks. And the most open mind in the world with all the hypotheticals isn't going to get too far with that. So the best we can do is keep making observations, while not ruling things out unless they're absolutes. Things like this story, you take with a large salt tablet, because all you have is this guy's word and his former position. It doesn't get you any closer to the truth really. Not without evidence. But neither does unnecessarily declaring all of this to be impossible.
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