FinalStageBoss
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I doubt it, maybe initially you'll have a few crossgen games(the CODs, FIFAs etc).
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Will every PS5 and Nextbox game also have to function with PS4 Pro and XBOX?
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Based on what?
Switch reset so that it can't play Wii U or Wii games or even 3DS games.
PS4 can't play PS3 or earlier
Only Xbox has backwards compatibility.
We will get a PS5, Nextbox, Switch 2 etc and while it's nice to hope they'll all have BC functionality the truth is they might not and they will be considered full next generation machines compared to their predecessors.
Generations are still a thing until actual physical proof manifests to say otherwise.
You all believed the Scorpio was going to be a bridging console between this gen and the next and look how that turned out.
Digital only probably, and there'd just be a separate disc version sold for the XB1 version.
Poimandres
Member
As a Pro owner, I sure hope not. These weak ass CPUs are no doubt already limiting developers ambitions.
I don't even care too much about increased visual fidelity, I want an increased focus on AI and related systems which I think can have large dependence on CPU (correct me if I'm wrong).
Of course if it makes sense with not super intensive games a PS4 and PS5 release is a good idea... I just don't want old consoles holding us back.
I don't even care too much about increased visual fidelity, I want an increased focus on AI and related systems which I think can have large dependence on CPU (correct me if I'm wrong).
Of course if it makes sense with not super intensive games a PS4 and PS5 release is a good idea... I just don't want old consoles holding us back.
Woodchipper
Member
Remind me. Why would anyone want this?
How did it turn out?
So that they can play Game of Life on their Monopoly board.
Poimandres
Member
Lol I hadn't seen the name abbreviated like that before. I might start calling it the OX, like the animal. I like that.
I think devs will have the option. So maybe next gen GTA targets PS5 only, next gen Final Fantasy hits PS5 and PS4 Pro, and next gen Atelier will target down to PS4.
This would create an incredibly confusing situation for consumers.
12Dannu123
Member
It makes more sense to have it as
when the Xbox Next is released. Xbox One OG/S is EOL, meaning no first party games will be running on it in the future, third parties have an option.
Xbox One X becomes the low end SKU
Xbox Next becomes the high end SKU like how Xbox One X is the high end of Xbox One S
So there could be a new console every 3-4 years.
Microsoft has the technical engineering to pull this off. However Sony is a different story has their decisions on how PS4 Architecture and APIs are made will affect their decisions of BC going forward.
Shin
Banned
A problem that I see is BDXL, price of a single disc is $10 (100Gb), compared to $1 for a BD (25Gb), a 50Gb BD disc costs about the same as a BDXL disc it seems.
So 2 things might happen, we'll use multiple 25Gb discs where necessary or we're jumping to BDXL and that most likely means +$10 price raise on games (finally, since it has been stagnant for years).
Sony makes/sells their own BD/BDXL discs so there's that, even 1080p games on XB1 are hitting 110Gb plus so the need to move to larger capacity might be become a must.
#retail prices
So 2 things might happen, we'll use multiple 25Gb discs where necessary or we're jumping to BDXL and that most likely means +$10 price raise on games (finally, since it has been stagnant for years).
Sony makes/sells their own BD/BDXL discs so there's that, even 1080p games on XB1 are hitting 110Gb plus so the need to move to larger capacity might be become a must.
#retail prices
At that point why not just use Carts? They are more durable and have much faster load times.
If the new machines (XB1X and PS4 Pro) had contained 'halfway-to-next-gen' CPUs then I'd be expecting potential forwards compatibility with those mid-gen machines, but they don't, so I don't see any way this happens.
There can be no true next-gen games without the increase in AI and gameplay systems that new CPUs would bring. Maybe some games that don't need that extra power could do it? But I'd expect that it's easier to just make a clean break so devs don't have to even worry about it.
There can be no true next-gen games without the increase in AI and gameplay systems that new CPUs would bring. Maybe some games that don't need that extra power could do it? But I'd expect that it's easier to just make a clean break so devs don't have to even worry about it.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I have a feeling that it will be up to the developer whether the game has a configuration that allows it to run on the previous iteration of the hardware. I don't believe that the next iterations of Xbox and PlayStation are going to be true generations like we've seen in the past. They'll just be higher spec of the same hardware with a new number slapped on by the marketing team to make people think it's an all new thing.
Exploratory
Banned
If Microsoft says all Nextbox games have to be compatible with the X and the S I'm done.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
As long as the PS5 and Nextbox are backwards compatible with my digital purchases on the PS4 and Xbox One then I don't care about the rest.
TheQuickBrownFox
Member
While I know it somewhat a bit of a national sport to slag on Sony right now with some of their messaging of late..
But I can't imagine they would be so daft as to not have BC out-of-the-box for PS4 -> PS5, surly?
That would be up there with 'always on' from MS.
Dragon Puncher
Member
As long as they both still use x86 architecture, which seems likely, I don't see why they wouldn't be backwards compatible with PS4 and Xbox One games. It wouldn't just work automatically of course, but compared to making BC work on Xbone, it would probably be a lot easier. And I doubt either MS nor Sony with risk not having it from the get go, when there's a big chance their competitor might.
If you're talking about if PS5 games will work on PS4, the answer is no.
If you're talking about if PS5 games will work on PS4, the answer is no.
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Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
I doubt it. But I think we'll see even more cross gen games the first couple of years then we did the last go around.
geordiemp
Member
Because consumers may have 100 games in Sony's ecosystem. If there is no back compatibility then those customers can consider Microsoft as equally as Sony. MS would like nothing better to see Sony make Ps5 stand alone and try to get back consumers with Xb2,
If Ps5 runs ps4 games better, then Sony is more likely to keep those players, many who migrated from 360 to ps4 (and could easily go back if Sony is stupid).
I doubt Sony would be that stupid, they listened carefully for ps4 and BUT did not for ps3. Who knows ?
Having a PS5 not backward compatible with PS4 at launch would be a terrible mistake for Sony IMHO if using the same X86 architecture. The early adopters of new consoles are the gamers and they help determining the endeavour of the generation (good word of mouth, buying influence with their friends/family etc...) Imagine the backlash if MS nextbox is backward compatible and PS5 is not...
This. MS wants "play anywhere" to basically be Steam. Sony wants to resell everything and force PS Now subscriptions....
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Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
I'm sleepy so maybe I misread the OP, but isn't this thread asking whether PS5/Xbox 2 games will all get PS4/X1 versions (or at least PS4 Pro/Xbox X versions)? That's forward compatibility not backward compatibility.
I'd guess full backwards compatibility is a given. Sony and MS moved to x486 architecture in part to make that possible and be competitive with PC which they see as a rising threat (see comments by Sony execs about part of the logic behind PS4 Pro being not losing enthusiasts to more powerful PCs mid gen), and near full BC is a big perk of PC gaming.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Who is slagging? All I said was is that I doubt the PS5 will have PS4 BC.
I hope I'm wrong because I've been buying some digital games that I don't want to be left stranded like my digital WiiU games are.
Sony will want to push Ps Now. That's why I'm not confident in BC.
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JeremyEtcetera
Unconfirmed Member
Wait, people still don't understand the technical reasons why PS4 can't fully emulate PS3 games? That's the most surprising thing in this thread.
I agree, and its enough to make me switch from heavy PS user to back to heavy XBox user.
Last gen not even knowing it I used my PS3 as mostly an exclusive machine. Over time I started liking the 360 controller more. That and putting in rechargeable batteries.
This gen learning more about tech and specs, etc the XBO became the exclusive machine.
I have no problem switching back next gen. I'm already on the verge of throwing out my 360 just because of BC on XBO.
The cut off point should be Pro and XBO X for cross gen games. That way IMO they really dont have to make slim versions of their next gen consoles. Just slim version of those 2. Well, Sony would seeing how the XBO X still has that sleek looking One S design.
Thinking about it now, if they do that that would mean Pro and XBO were secretly next gen consoles and next gen would be the niche consoles. lol
Disregard making the slim console....but Pro and One X should be the cut off point for cross gen. That could help them fly off shelves if their prices go down.
IndoAssassin
Banned
These consoles are x86 architecture now. Unless they create custom hardware in future generations, there will always be BC.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
It should be much easier to implement BC going forward, now consoles use PC like architecture, so PS5 might be able to play PS4 discs.
I just don't expect them to put much work into PS1, 2 or 3 emulation as they have already said they are not really interested in doing that but who knows, things change.
I just don't expect them to put much work into PS1, 2 or 3 emulation as they have already said they are not really interested in doing that but who knows, things change.
Kamina
Golden Boy
From what we can guess 2020+ games will have to run at ~2017 CPUs though.
geordiemp
Member
Fixed that for you, Sony would be handing MS a gift if no BC.
I want to keep my collection, if I cant Sony will drive me away as its not right.
They had a good excuse with the cell in ps3, but that is the only pass they will get.
Also I dont give a shit about PSnow and laggy remote play, it needs to die already.
frankie_baby
Member
Had the Pro been a big success (and i presume bone x will perform similarly in relation) then i could've seen it but as niche products i doubt it'll happen
I honestly dont think even Microsoft knows yet. They should have at least two different paths to go and the feedback from (mainly) publishers/developers when developing/selling for two different xboxes will decide.
Sony might have decided but i cant even guess other then it sounds stupid as hell to ditch what i would imagine to be kinda close to 100 million users when next console arrives.
This can only holds true if "next generation" just is another power leap, but i really think that will be the case. And I dont think this will be a "hard rule" if a developer cant bring their game to the old consoles they would be allowed to release the game on "next gen".
Sony might have decided but i cant even guess other then it sounds stupid as hell to ditch what i would imagine to be kinda close to 100 million users when next console arrives.
This can only holds true if "next generation" just is another power leap, but i really think that will be the case. And I dont think this will be a "hard rule" if a developer cant bring their game to the old consoles they would be allowed to release the game on "next gen".
TheQuickBrownFox
Member
Sorry, didn't mean to imply you directly, just more in general across the spectrum.
Sidewinder
Member
Are you talking about BD-R prices, the ones you can burn on a PC? This is pretty much irrelevant for retail prices of games and movies, a BD 50 doesn't cost 10$ to press.
About BC, if Sony doesn't offer it from day 1 they'll hand a major win to MS on a silver platter and one they could've avoided easily as MS made it clear for some time now, that their next consoles will have BC.
With midgen upgrades, digital sales rising all the time and PS+/Xbox Gold etc. gamers are far more attached to one brand than ever before and they will expect to take their games with them to the next gen.
So Sony better not cheapen out or get greedy and cut BC, as this could do some serious damage to the PS brand, if their competition didn't offer BC either it'd be a non issue, but that isn't the case.
If it ends up having forward compatibility, thats nice.
But I hope they don't create a next-gen console with forward compatibility in mind, because that would hold the next-gen console back.
Just like the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X having to use a weak CPU like Jaguar again for the sake of compatibility.
I think cross-gen game developing for a certain period of time is much more logical.
Because of the architecture of both the PS4 and XBO, it would definitely be much more easier to develop cross-gen games compared to PS4/PS3.
You don't have to deal with CELL anymore.
Edited: I would expect backwards compatibility though. I think its a must.
But I hope they don't create a next-gen console with forward compatibility in mind, because that would hold the next-gen console back.
Just like the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X having to use a weak CPU like Jaguar again for the sake of compatibility.
I think cross-gen game developing for a certain period of time is much more logical.
Because of the architecture of both the PS4 and XBO, it would definitely be much more easier to develop cross-gen games compared to PS4/PS3.
You don't have to deal with CELL anymore.
Edited: I would expect backwards compatibility though. I think its a must.
brunomartynhak
Member
Forward compatibility would be easier if we had options on consoles similar as we have on PC. Then you could buy a PS5 game and play on PS4 at your own risk of having to reduce resolution, particle effects, AA, shadows, numbers of NPC and even deal with low fps despite all this. And some games wouldn't run at all.
But can casual console owners that did not mind jumping into next gen deal with all that?
But can casual console owners that did not mind jumping into next gen deal with all that?
Monkeyball
Banned
NOBODY!
MakotoYuki
Member
Hope not, they should get rid of Jaguar limitations.