I love all these doom and gloom topics
I have an IPhone, my mates got an Ipad, I've got a 3DS......so according to 'some people' i shouldn't be enjoying my Vita as i already have all the bases covered. How wrong can people be.
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(Reuters) Sony's Vita arrives just as market may be fading
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Byakuya769
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I love all these doom and gloom topics
I have an IPhone, my mates got an Ipad, I've got a 3DS......so according to 'some people' i shouldn't be enjoying my Vita as i already have all the bases covered. How wrong can people be.
Yea, that's what people are saying. You = broad consumer base.
I love all these doom and gloom topics
I have an IPhone, my mates got an Ipad, I've got a 3DS......so according to 'some people' i shouldn't be enjoying my Vita as i already have all the bases covered. How wrong can people be.
Um... no one's saying that.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
You provide a fine example.
Xplatformer
Member
Like this.
Something else people are brushing over. As it is today the Vita is competing against its older brother, the PS3, for software dollars. Sony has priced its hardware and software at a point where a game purchased for the Vita means a game not purchased for the PS3.
Targeting existing PS3 owners seems like a lose, lose scenario to me.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
How much does the 3DS cost?
:lol Damn...
The tech is definitely interesting, but I don't want to play console games on the go. I've looked at the PSV's launch/near-launch games and there's nothing I'd want to play on the go. Plus, I definitely don't want to carry anything more in my pockets, either, especially nothing the size of the PSV.
This is probably why I'm only halfway done with SM3DLand. Shame, because I really enjoy SM3D. And I only picked up a 3DS because my DSLite was broke. Portable gaming to me really is those quick iOS games that I can play when I have a free minute here & there.
kobashi100
Banned
Love to know how i would play this on a packed train standing up.
Byakuya769
Member
Warning. Charlequin is in bound to make fun of your "skinny jeans."
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Play it in tablet/touchscreen mode until you get back home?
There is no default rule that handhelds have to be $169 or less to sell. That's not how people make decisions. People see a product, decide if they like what it offers them relative to other options, and then compare how much they want it to its asking price. It's not strictly based on market or category, but on how well the product complements what they want to do.
People who had 0 willingness to pay for a games console nonetheless ran out and paid over $400 for a Wii, Mario Kart, and Wii Fit. People never would have imagined they would be willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a cellphone years back.
This is simple: The 3DS was not worth $249. Nintendo priced it incorrectly due to inaccurate estimates of people's willingness to pay for such a device. This doesn't mean that a $249 handheld could never be successful, just that the 3DS and likely Vita cannot command that sort of price tag.
People who had 0 willingness to pay for a games console nonetheless ran out and paid over $400 for a Wii, Mario Kart, and Wii Fit. People never would have imagined they would be willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a cellphone years back.
This is simple: The 3DS was not worth $249. Nintendo priced it incorrectly due to inaccurate estimates of people's willingness to pay for such a device. This doesn't mean that a $249 handheld could never be successful, just that the 3DS and likely Vita cannot command that sort of price tag.
In the last 5 years, I've seen about 10 people total actually playing any handheld console on the subway.
Byakuya769
Member
Ha, in six months I'm at 0 on a subway or bus. Actually haven't seen any at an airport in a year.
Same here, I've NEVER seen a handheld being used on a bus or train at all.
Edit: although I do see iphones being used.
i dunno, me and 6 other friends picked up a vita over the last 2 days, and we all have an iphone 4, while 3 mates have iphones and ipads. Every single one of us sees gaming on the iphone as something you do while on the shitter. The vita has every right to excist and offers so much that the idevices cannot, and vice versa. I honestly think that the mobile gaming market is exactly that. a new market that thrives without eating the handheld market's piece of the pie.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I think some of you are overlooking the fact the Vita has connectedness to the PS3 that may now allow people to get more use out of a handheld and maybe take it with them. Yes, it is early, but I think comparing the Vita to 3DS and PSP and saying it will not grab hold in a portable state is premature. Anecdotal evidence , but according to Near, I have 9 vita users within a 5 mile radius of me and I live in a more remote area. Initially, that seems promising.
Byakuya769
Member
I used to see DSs at airports, psps occasionally as well. Circa 2007.
When do you play the vita?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Yep, Near reports around 7 people within two mile radius and I live in Spokane, WA in an area where you wouldn't expect too many people being a day one buyer of the Vita.
Exactly how many PS3 owners do you expect to get a Vita for this purpose?
chickdigger802
Banned
That ps3 connectivity is interesting if/when games start coming out in combo packages with vita and ps3 copies.
I'm pretty sure only a minority of people would pick up the same game twice at full price.
Maybe diehard sports games fans, but that's about it.
I'm pretty sure wii U and 3ds will have some connectivity as well...
No1 really has done connectivity well yet =/
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Don't have a clue. I did. Friends of mine did. Only time will tell.
As for games coming out in bundles, there are PSN titles available that work on both systems. There have been rumors of an MLB bundle. Sony has certainly integrated new features to their online services that work with PS3 users.
As for games coming out in bundles, there are PSN titles available that work on both systems. There have been rumors of an MLB bundle. Sony has certainly integrated new features to their online services that work with PS3 users.
I ask because the country isn't exactly flooded to the brim with PS3 owners in the first place.
AzureNightmare
Banned
whoever wrote that article should be fired from his job.
While I do believe that Vita will struggle, at least initially, my position is that it has more to do with Sony shortcomings and Nintendo position in the handheld market than with the prevailing narrative of "Apple killed everything!".
I'm just saying that blips on a Near chart aren't really going to tell us anything.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Are you suggesting that the PS3s userbase is holding the Vita's success back? What number of systems in America would you say it would take to make my argument about the Vita's connectedness to PS3 being a significant factor in its success? I am pretty sure there are at least 10 million ps3s in America.
It would be sweet as hell if Vita got an OnLive client. just saying...
As for the ongoing smartphone debate, it just seems like analyst groupthink. I play smartphone games, and I bought a Vita. Smartphones are nowhere near delivering Uncharted or Unit 13 on the go. Very few games on the phone even have decent multiplayer. And I don't see a solution to the touch screen issue. You can definitely design good touch-only games, but free-look is still a no go after many years.
As for the ongoing smartphone debate, it just seems like analyst groupthink. I play smartphone games, and I bought a Vita. Smartphones are nowhere near delivering Uncharted or Unit 13 on the go. Very few games on the phone even have decent multiplayer. And I don't see a solution to the touch screen issue. You can definitely design good touch-only games, but free-look is still a no go after many years.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
I like how the article completely ignores the fact that the 3DS has done extremely well due to a price cut and solid releases.
No doubt the Vita is going to have a rough start, but people need to stop over exaggerating the fact that dedicated handhelds are dead and smartphones have some sort of imaginary throne.
No doubt the Vita is going to have a rough start, but people need to stop over exaggerating the fact that dedicated handhelds are dead and smartphones have some sort of imaginary throne.
How could you possibly extrapolate that from my reply to your one very specific and narrow conjecture?
I can't say for certain because your criteria is incredibly broad, but I'd suppose that it'd require a rather overwhelming number of PS3 owners out there for your hypothetical PS3 connectivity factor to hold any real weight against the host of other more immediate factors that may influence one's purchasing decision..
Put more simply, the PS3 ain't gonna save the Vita if it doesn't succeed on its own merits.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Anyone play the iOS version of GTAIII? That alone helped solidify my decision to buy a Vita. Touchscreen joysticks and Dpads are far less useful and are a far greater compromise to a real stick (or in the case of Vita: 2 sticks)
TheNatural
My Member!
Nope but you know what does? Anectdotal evidence from fanatics telling everyone how great the features of the Vita are! How since they like them and dropped a minumum, $300 for a Vita and game (many north of that) right off the bat day one, that everyone else in the world thinks the exact same way and it's going to be a success.
It's 2004 all over again.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I was not extrapolating. I was clarifying. Presently, I know of examples of people buying Vitas for, among other reasons, more connectedness to their PS3. How much we represent consumers as a whole is unknown. However, amongst are small sample size, we all agree that getting a Vita to continue or extend our ps3 experience is a very good thing.
DiscoJer
Member
Yeah, but does the Vita have GTA3? I know it has liberty city stories, but the PSN versions didn't work very well on the PSP at least (work fine from UMD, but bad stuttering problems with the PSN version, something that affects a lot of streaming games for some reason)
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
Virtual buttons in general are horrible. I'm not super against cell phone gaming ... but I mean if you're going to do a cell phone game, swipes and tapping suit it better than virtual buttons would.
No, I played Field Runners on PSP Mini and realised that touch controls were the future.
....I'm just fucking with ya, I'm great with any control system. Completed Dark Souls using a flight stick. Honest.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
No thanks. Having both a tablet that emulates ps1 games with a DualShock controller and a Vita.
The Vita is the more ideal experience, especially for bedside/portable play.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
If Rockstar can get GTA3 on an iPhone, I am confident they will find a way to get a GTA on Vita if the system is successful.
I don't really care what you or your friends think, because I don't think that's particularly relevant on a macro level to the Vita's prospects for success. Anecdotal evidence is worthless to me in this context.
We can but hope. Give me an upscaled trilogy and I'll piss my pants with joy.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
So are gloom and doom articles written one day into a system launch.
Yeah, I want shiny new Vita exclusives. But I'd definitely buy ports of San Andreas and Bully. Bonus if it's cross-play to PS3.
Well yeah, this article is trash. If the people writing these articles were actually writing in good faith they wouldn't be writing news articles, they'd actually be employed by someone in their area of expertise.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Lol wut. I wouldn't say that but with my experience with the Vita so far, it takes the goodness of modern mobile gaming, portable gaming, and a hint of console gaming and puts it in a single package. It feels surprisingly great.
Xplatformer
Member
I think Sony's target market may be the only one outside the game industry that sees a need for a portable PS3 when the PS3 is still in those gamers homes.
If I didn't already own a PS3, or if I were planning to sell mine id think a $300 Vita would be a much greater "must" buy.
Right now it looks like an impulse purchase.
If SOny makes money on every unit sold I guess its worth the effort. I cant wait for sales numbers to start appearing.
If I didn't already own a PS3, or if I were planning to sell mine id think a $300 Vita would be a much greater "must" buy.
Right now it looks like an impulse purchase.
If SOny makes money on every unit sold I guess its worth the effort. I cant wait for sales numbers to start appearing.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Lagspike_exe
Member
At $180 ASP. I'm not saying it cannot happen, but chanches are very slim. I think Sony will let it be a slow burn. Somewhere next year, they'll put out a redesign with a better battery life, 4G premium model and cut to somewhere around $199/$249. Along with an established library it should do wonders to sales. I don't think they'll do it until at least Feb-March next year. The only thing I wouldn't rule out is a price cut in Japan, as that's the most important battleground, although I think even there, it's more realistic we'll get value added bundles.
BTW - I know you are being sarcastic, I just wanted to comment on the predictions.