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THR: Ron Howard officially directing Han Solo after Lord/Miller firing
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Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
That's going to be a long three weeks.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Well, they're gonna bump back to December regardlesss, I bet. But if they don't schedule more than 6 weeks of reshoots - and a LOT more, in fact - then there's no way this becomes a Ron Howard movie.
It may become a "not-really Lord & Miller" movie. But it's not gonna be Ron Howard's Han Solo Adventures
Lifejumper
Member
The movie lawrence kasdan wants.. he has alot of influence at LucasFilm and the reason why they are fired imo.
this movie is not stated for december? o.o
MisterR
Member
Seriously? They've made a couple of kids movies and 21 Jump Street. Ron Howard has made about 3 times as many good movies as they have even directed movies.
What? No.
It'll be a competent film, but I'm doubting it's gonna be as fun as it was before. Those two were the only reason I was interested in this.
Rush was legit great and more recently In the Heart of the Sea was also a good movie. Unremarkable maybe, but a very good and enjoyable film.
Those stupid Da Vinci Code series films were always schlock.
broncobuster
Banned
Would a Grand Theft Auto joke play in the year 2017? Does anyone remember or care about that movie?
Yeah, that's my expectation. Howard is a trusted professional that isn't going to rock the boat on what Kennedy and Kasdan want for this. That's the upswing of bringing in someone like Howard in the first place: he may be fairly unremarkable in terms of personal vision, but barring a full-on overhaul, that also means that he's not going to touch much of anything to what's already been shot. He's a closer.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
Dammit
CopperPuppy
Member
I couldn't follow the Lord/Miller thread.
Any details beyond "creative differences" as to why they were let go?
Any details beyond "creative differences" as to why they were let go?
I'm talking solely for the director's credit. Now that's going to be an adventure, and I feel bad for the DGA team that gets to determine how to credit the film.
ryutaro's mama
Member
That's my issue with all this. Rabid fans will bend themselves into knots to defend this kind of shit and will vote with their wallets to overwhelmingly approve it.
If Episode 8 isn't good, I may be done with SW for awhile. No hyperbole.
JimJamJones
Member
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Not yet
I know. And he's not gonna shoot enough to get it. Not with 3wks of principal and 6wks of reshoots.
Simon Kinberg isn't credited for Fantastic Four, for example, even though he effectively took over for the last month of the shoot and all the reshoots and post.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Problems with their (quite normal) approach to filmmaking and Kathleen Kennedy just straight up disliking them.
They didn't make Inferno, that makes them alright in my books.
Also Jump Street movies and The Lego Movie were great, much better than Ron Howards output these past few years.
Skinny Pete
Banned
Not a fan of Ron Howard so my interest in this project had gone from a 6 to a 2.
He's already in the TLJ and was in Force Awakens and in Rogue One. Though all background characters in costume, not proper speaking roles. But who knows who he is in TLJ.
Basically, there's speculation that KK and Kasdan just ended up not liking these two in general as filming went on, and the creative differences just worsened it as well.
Rush was definitely a very watchable and enjoyable film but it ain't Apollo 13.
Whatever, Howard will get the job done, which is the point for Disney.
i thought all new star wars movies would be launching on december going forward, i mean TFA, Rogue One and TLJ did, even tho, R1 and TLj were delayed if i remember correctly
Lifejumper
Member
How many years have lord and miller dedicated to this movie. This must be heartbreaking for them.
If you are still paying to watch Star Wars movies after enduring the prequels, you will probably keep paying to watch new ones. We all are.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They apparently also made enemies of Lawrence Kasdan, who wrote the script and who has been pushing for this film for forever.
He apparently was the one who convinced them to bring the duo on, but then balked when they went for a more improv style over following the script.
Kennedy apparently had people put together some rough cuts of the film and didn't like what was going on, so it was more than just the dailies.
More details came out, which can be best summed up as Kathleen Kennedy and Lawrence Kasdan being unpleasantly surprised that hiring Phil Lord and Chris Miller for a film resulted in something that was more outwardly comedic than Star Wars is typically known for, leaving the internet to wonder why they hired them in the first place if they expected something different.
It seems they had a conflict with Kasdan over the nature of the character and the movie. Kasdan wrote it to be a funny Star Wars movie with Han being 'sarcastic and selfish' and L&M improvised so much on set that it became more of a comedy that happens to be in the Star Wars universe. Kasdan was mad about what they did to his script and Kennedy didn't feel like it fit with the franchise anymore. She also didn't like the way they worked in general.
MisterR
Member
21 Jump Street was great, 22 was mediocre. Lego Movie is ok. Rush is a better movie than any of them. Not to mention the numerous excellent movies he made in the 80's and 90's.
killertofu
Member
I think they had more challenges as directors in coming up with good movies from brands/ideas that almost seemed impossible to make good.
Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs? How could you make a 20 page children's book into a full fledged movie?
21 Jump Street? How can you make a good movie out of an old busted franchise?
Lego Movie? What are they gonna do with a toy brand?
A prequel movie about Han Solo just seemed dumb an unnecessary but they've done enough great work with their source material that I had faith that they could make something original and fun out of it.
With Ron Howard, I expect the movie to be serviceable. Bland, but serviceable.
There's absolutely no way to know this so it's pointless to claim so. I'm guessing you'll keep saying it no matter how the movie turns out though.
Dry your eyes. If the prequels didn't stop you, nothing will.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Thing is, by sheer coincidence, SW is usually our company field trip so I never technically pay for it. However, to your point, I am paying with time spent so yes, so that aspect I will re-assess if Episode 8 is faulty.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
bummer I had hoped against hope they'd scrap the project.
You don't just scrap months of filming down the drain.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm pretty sure I mention something like that in there
edit: it's the 2nd sentence, in fact. Maybe you just thought I meant "dailies" there.
ryutaro's mama
Member
ClivePwned
Member
Dude directed Splash, Cocoon, Willow, Parenthood, Backdraft, The Paper, Apollo 13, A Beautiful Mind, Frost/Nixon (ok 3 Da Vinci codes movies but Dan Brown surely shoulders the bulk of the blame for those), was in Andy Griffith Show, Happy Days, American Graffiti and then there's the production stuff and of course Arrested Development. And won a few Oscars.
He has range and even his clunkers are still interesting enough. He's about as safe a pair of hands you get and yet still expect a pretty good film to emerge. He's no Scorcese or Spielberg, but he's certainly competitive
Besides, when you still have Colin Trevorrow doing Ep IX, is Ron Howard really that bad?
He has range and even his clunkers are still interesting enough. He's about as safe a pair of hands you get and yet still expect a pretty good film to emerge. He's no Scorcese or Spielberg, but he's certainly competitive
Besides, when you still have Colin Trevorrow doing Ep IX, is Ron Howard really that bad?
Freewheelin'
Member
Disgusting opinion
Lord, Miller, Glover were the three reasons I was interested in this.
i am only 33% tethered to this world
let me slip fully into the beyond
Ha. I'd pegged Howard as most likely to take over on The Batman, he's a safe pair of hands with not much of an ego, who will just deliver the studios what they want, on budget and on time.
Still strange to me that Disney et al seem to have been able to sell these Star Wars prequels as if they are not prequels.
Edit: Yeah I'd have preferred to have seen Lord & Miller's take on this, but if it was going to massively compromised, why even hire creatives with such strong vision?
Edit2: Oh I didn't realise production was so far in. I guess we've got another Rogue One situation.
Still strange to me that Disney et al seem to have been able to sell these Star Wars prequels as if they are not prequels.
Edit: Yeah I'd have preferred to have seen Lord & Miller's take on this, but if it was going to massively compromised, why even hire creatives with such strong vision?
Edit2: Oh I didn't realise production was so far in. I guess we've got another Rogue One situation.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It also sounds like how bad movies get made tbh, Lord & Miller are great but if their style didn't fit it's better that they moved on.
As much as I wanted to see whatever weird and funny shit their Han Solo movie would've been.
Why does any movie need to happen?
To be honest, any discussion about Ron Howard's film identity - whether pro or against - is rendered moot by the fact that this film is weeks away from wrapping up. He's clearly just there for solid damage control, and I can't imagine much of his DNA being implemented much apart from editing.