oh... well it's summer so I guess that was expected, sadly. Good luck anyway
wew lad that's a lot of sand poop
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Tenerife is dropping its fecal waters unfiltered & untreated near beaches.
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oh... well it's summer so I guess that was expected, sadly. Good luck anyway
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Patrick S.
Banned
That's Los Cristianos. I've never seen that beach looking like this before. That beach always was a bit smelly (because of the proximity to the harbor, there was always a faint Diesel smell in the water), but I'm shocked to see it like this.
This is what I sent her. Do you think it's good enough?oh... well it's summer so I guess that was expected, sadly. Good luck anyway
More pictures from today in Tacoronte:
Patrick S.
Banned
Chiquita mierda loco!
Nunca mejor dicho..
More pics, the second one is really near to where I currently live... ugh.
metareferential
Member
Don't be fooled thinking it's just Spain, it's like that in many turistic locations across the Mediterranean sea (some parts of south Italy in particular).
http://www.lasicilia.it/news/cronac...-in-quel-mare-dove-l-acqua-non-e-piu-blu.html
http://www.lasicilia.it/news/cronac...-in-quel-mare-dove-l-acqua-non-e-piu-blu.html
Patrick S.
Banned
Is that Añaza or Güimar?
It's somewhere between Candelaria and Tabaiba, I think it's just where Barranco Hondo is. Right next to the highway.
This is awful too. I encourage people affected by this to complain and have their voices heard too.
Conor_Fool
Banned
Best wishes, OP. That must be really difficult. Lets get those scumbags charged with the crime they're committing!
What the fuck is this?wew lad that's a lot of sand poop
samoscratch
Member
I grew up in Gran Canaria, sad to see this...
This is too much. Look at the coast...
Horrible. Godspeed OP, I hope you find justice in this. Keep us posted and good luck.
Here is the same thing, the same day, but on video:This is too much. Look at the coast...
https://www.facebook.com/7.Canarias/videos/10154909158027473/
That girl from the EU comes back from vacation the 21th. I'll wait a few days after that and if she doesn't answer I'll send the email again I think.
seemed fine. Maybe I would've asked if they could you refer to other organizations who may be able to help.
Well there's not much you can do until she gets back from her holidays so gotta be patient. I know it's hard.
keep us updated.
http://diariodeavisos.elespanol.com...gas-naturales-las-playas-canarias-excelentes/
Translation: Canary Islands sanity department assures the microalgae are "natural" and the beaches are "excellent". Also the recent spike in hepatitis A cases in the islands have nothing to do with them.
Sigh...sure...we are all liars.
This is so retarded, ALL they are worried about is this to not get much noise so that tourists don't notice, even going as far as telling us to shut up, but actually fixing the issue doesn't even cross their heads.
This is the fucking SANITY DEPARTMENT OF THE CANARY ISLANDS denying everything and being cool with BREAKING EUROPEAN LAWS.
salodkghdakog hold me or I'll punch someone at this point
Reminder that freaking Nature and other scientific investigations prove that we are right and this is related to dropping shit in the ocean. And even if it wasn't related, which is NOT the case, what they are doing with fecal waters would still be 100% illegal in the EU.
Translation: Canary Islands sanity department assures the microalgae are "natural" and the beaches are "excellent". Also the recent spike in hepatitis A cases in the islands have nothing to do with them.
Sigh...sure...we are all liars.
This is so retarded, ALL they are worried about is this to not get much noise so that tourists don't notice, even going as far as telling us to shut up, but actually fixing the issue doesn't even cross their heads.
This is the fucking SANITY DEPARTMENT OF THE CANARY ISLANDS denying everything and being cool with BREAKING EUROPEAN LAWS.
salodkghdakog hold me or I'll punch someone at this point
Reminder that freaking Nature and other scientific investigations prove that we are right and this is related to dropping shit in the ocean. And even if it wasn't related, which is NOT the case, what they are doing with fecal waters would still be 100% illegal in the EU.
Dealing with sewage is much harder than people realize, especially on an island. There's no excuse for dumping it all to the ocean (or for allowing private parties to do so) but the solution is going to take a lot of time and a lot of funding. Good on you for drawing attention to the issue! Keep it up.
Of course it's hard, but when 96% of sewage is dropped unfiltered, it means they just don't care. And, again, Tenerife is in the EU, and this is illegal on the EU.
They have had a ton of years to fix this and they haven't even started to think about maybe trying.
teruterubozu
Member
Yup, even the Hawaiian Islands struggle with sewage. They use injection wells that shoot the waste deep into the earth, but new studies are showing that they seep out into the ocean anyway.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
What you are seeing right now my dudes, is the official sanity department on the Canary Islands releasing an official statment in where they tell us, the Canary Island citizens, to "get used" to the "microalgae".
That's right. They just told us to "get used to it". And that this is not dangerous. That the cases of hepatitis A are not related to this. That this is natural. And to get used to it. After countless scientific studies that PROVE OTHERWISE.
Sigh...
Whatever, I will try to contact Ska Keller as hard as I can, I hope she gets interested in this
What you are seeing right now my dudes, is the official sanity department on the Canary Islands releasing an official statment in where they tell us, the Canary Island citizens, to "get used" to the "microalgae".
That's right. They just told us to "get used to it". And that this is not dangerous. That the cases of hepatitis A are not related to this. That this is natural. And to get used to it. After countless scientific studies that PROVE OTHERWISE.
Sigh...
Whatever, I will try to contact Ska Keller as hard as I can, I hope she gets interested in this
Souldriver
Member
If this is indeed because of waste being dumped into the ocean, I am puzzled why the authorities react like that. It seems like a lose-lose situation to me. Everybody will know you are lying, your are angering your own people, and you are going to tank your own economy that's heavily relying on tourism.
flaxknuckles
Member
What is with those people still chilling at the beach in those photos like they aren't standing on poo poo sand and smelling shit in the air?
el_colibri
Member
Heading to Los Cristianos in the morning.
Oh dear
Oh dear
teruterubozu
Member
They saved up for that vacation. Ain't gonna let some E. coli ruin the dream!!
There's a ton of floating shit and they're swimming in there without a care in the world. Weird as fuck, does it not smell horrible near the beach?
I'm wondering how long that is sustainable.
Sounds like you have some real corruption going on there, my dude. Either that, or your government doesn't want to tell folks that they don't have the capital to be able to afford that level of sanitation infrastructure. If it's as bad as you say, that's going to be a colossal undertaking to get your sanitation up to speed. I'd also be seriously concerned about your tap water. You have to bathe and cook with that...
Sounds like you have some real corruption going on there, my dude. Either that, or your government doesn't want to tell folks that they don't have the capital to be able to afford that level of sanitation infrastructure. If it's as bad as you say, that's going to be a colossal undertaking to get your sanitation up to speed. I'd also be seriously concerned about your tap water. You have to bathe and cook with that...
WTF?!?! Is there some sort of international news media coverup ongoing regarding this issue??? Just did a Google news search for "Tenerife": https://www.google.com/search?q=Ten...r9zVAhVC7SYKHXBJDYYQ_AUICygC&biw=1920&bih=988
Top 5 headline results:
Top 5 headline results:
That official paper reads like they don't even know they are releasing all that waste in the ocean (which they obviously do), and instead choose to focus on algae bloom itself. Thus the fact that they are hiding the wastes is pretty telling IMO. I'm Spanish (not from Canarias mind you) and I haven't seen anything on twitter, so I don't know how much buzz this is generating, if any.
Does anybody have a link to the Nature paper? I'd like to know just how much evidence is being ignored by the government. I'm bookmarking this since it all comes as such a surprise. What a country dear lord.
Does anybody have a link to the Nature paper? I'd like to know just how much evidence is being ignored by the government. I'm bookmarking this since it all comes as such a surprise. What a country dear lord.
Patrick S.
Banned
I just came back from a ten day trip to Lanzarote.No signs of "algae" there...
Nintendo's Witch
Member
wew lad that's a lot of sand poop
What a shitty job.
I don't think it smells. Or at least the times I have personally seen this it didn't smell.
Good luck, you might go in a good day.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-04622-8
If you want to see the buzz, check this page and the comments on stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/7.Canarias...QB9VOdOYj1mcYfJwGt4L1i6MXysku12udZ6y0&fref=nf
Somebody did but I don't think she "tested" them, just picked them up to see them up close.
wew lad that's a lot of sand poop
What the fuck, why would you even do this? There's not enough money in the world to make me do some shit like that.
Thanks for this, going just before Christmas
So... how was it?
PjotrStroganov
Member
Yeah. I was thinking: how tall is this guy?
Right so I read the article and did a tiny bit of research, and I have a few things to say:
1. Sadly, the analysis that these researchers do takes place in the southeast of the Mediteranean Sea, in Israel. This is a point that could be used by the Tenerife government to question the applicability of these results to the particular case of the island. However, even in their own press releases, they cite Trichodesmium erythraeum to be the cause of this bloom, which is exactly the species the article discusses.
2. Following that, evidence of this species of being toxic is quite sparse, since no known toxin has been isolated from cells collected from these blooms. There has been reported toxicity in mice although in super high conditions, and only once has been found a relation between respiratory disorders in humans and blooms of this particular algae. https://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Trichodesmium_erythraeum#Pathology Here you can find sources for everything.
3. That being said, I whole heartedly believe that these blooms are caused by raw sewage in the ocean (after all the paper basically proves that this is possible although not in this particular area). I just listed reasons (or rather, excuses) that the government could use to justify this fuckery and accuse you of raising unnecessary social alarm. I am more familiar with the scientific side of this matter than I am with European laws, so my impression and advice would be to keep the pressure on that side of the issue. If it's breaking international laws then it should be just a matter of talking to the right people. In my ignorance, I would suggest talking to Greenpeace spain of even Partido PACMA since they tend to take part on these things.
4. Like I said, I will keep an eye on this thread and probably do some more research on this species (even if it's just out of curiosity since I am a biologist). Since I don't have a FB account I can't join the conversation there just yet, but if there's some spanish pressure groups you can point me towards maybe on twitter, feel free to PM me on here or even post them so more people can join.
5. Ánimo compañeros.
1. Sadly, the analysis that these researchers do takes place in the southeast of the Mediteranean Sea, in Israel. This is a point that could be used by the Tenerife government to question the applicability of these results to the particular case of the island. However, even in their own press releases, they cite Trichodesmium erythraeum to be the cause of this bloom, which is exactly the species the article discusses.
2. Following that, evidence of this species of being toxic is quite sparse, since no known toxin has been isolated from cells collected from these blooms. There has been reported toxicity in mice although in super high conditions, and only once has been found a relation between respiratory disorders in humans and blooms of this particular algae. https://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Trichodesmium_erythraeum#Pathology Here you can find sources for everything.
3. That being said, I whole heartedly believe that these blooms are caused by raw sewage in the ocean (after all the paper basically proves that this is possible although not in this particular area). I just listed reasons (or rather, excuses) that the government could use to justify this fuckery and accuse you of raising unnecessary social alarm. I am more familiar with the scientific side of this matter than I am with European laws, so my impression and advice would be to keep the pressure on that side of the issue. If it's breaking international laws then it should be just a matter of talking to the right people. In my ignorance, I would suggest talking to Greenpeace spain of even Partido PACMA since they tend to take part on these things.
4. Like I said, I will keep an eye on this thread and probably do some more research on this species (even if it's just out of curiosity since I am a biologist). Since I don't have a FB account I can't join the conversation there just yet, but if there's some spanish pressure groups you can point me towards maybe on twitter, feel free to PM me on here or even post them so more people can join.
5. Ánimo compañeros.
It's slowly extending to other islands. Playa del Puerto de Tazacorte, in La Palma, yesterday:
This time, people claim the smell was unbearable. What surprises me is seeing people actually taking a bath... lmao...
This time, people claim the smell was unbearable. What surprises me is seeing people actually taking a bath... lmao...
If that EU girl (Ska Keller) doesn't answer then yes, I'll try to contact Greenpeace and/or PACMA. About pressure groups, basically please sign the change.org and I don't think they are doing anything on twitter, just facebook. Thanks.
These are pictures from yesterday, in Tenerife, taken in a beach right below the place where I spend my summer every year:
I've went to that beach so many times, including when I was a child, seeing this is horrible. And the government keeps making excuses. Also Ska Keller won't answer
PhantomThief
Banned
Wow this.is horrible. Ill spread the word
WaterAstro
Member
I just watched a Vice documentary on how they treat human waste. They said they used to dump poop in the ocean until the 90s, at least in the NY area.
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