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Do you separate the entertainer from the person?
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Stone Ocean
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If they keep their shitty views separate from their work then yes, but only to a point. Some people are just too much to ignore.
Yup. Plus, if the artist is profiting off of it, it makes me feel uncomfortable knowing my money is in their pocket & can be used for their purposes.
NullPointer
Member
Absolutely.
If Hitler made some great art I could appreciate it on that level. He didn't, so I've never had to grapple with that though. Compartmentalization has always come easy to me.
Where I draw the line is in monetarily supporting somebody who I know will put that money towards advancing causes that would hurt those I care about. At that point other considerations intervene.
If Hitler made some great art I could appreciate it on that level. He didn't, so I've never had to grapple with that though. Compartmentalization has always come easy to me.
Where I draw the line is in monetarily supporting somebody who I know will put that money towards advancing causes that would hurt those I care about. At that point other considerations intervene.
This a good point.
the_darkness
Banned
Depends who it is and how the art relates to their indiscretions.
I ain't trying to hear R Kelly sing about sticking his key in a brainwashed 14 year old's ignition.
I ain't trying to hear R Kelly sing about sticking his key in a brainwashed 14 year old's ignition.
Jimnymebob
Member
I find it easier to go back and consume media I enjoyed before finding out someone involved is a scumbag.
Like, I'll still enjoy playing Earthworm Jim on the MD, but I don't care about Doug TenNapel's future output in the slightest.
Like, I'll still enjoy playing Earthworm Jim on the MD, but I don't care about Doug TenNapel's future output in the slightest.
If they're just a douchebag then I can let it go, but if they're rapists or racist then I will not support them. There are so many good movies and musicians that we shouldn't have to settle for shitty people.
David Cross is making it hard though. I'd like to believe it was just a misunderstanding...
David Cross is making it hard though. I'd like to believe it was just a misunderstanding...
parrotbeak
Member
It totally depends and is inconsistent. I still love old Megadeth and will never stop listening no matter how stupid Dave Mustaine is. On the other hand a BoB song came on my mp3 player and I skipped it cuz I just kept thinking about flat earthers. But I mean, I might have skipped his song anyway.
Yeap. I watch artists for their art, not their moral conduct.
It's entirely possible for you to love someone's album/book/movie and detest their real life actions.
Real life is more complex than people being either good or bad.
Michael Jackson was one of the greatest pop stars of all time, and also abused children. That doesn't negate his achievements. It means he was a great pop star and also a child abuser.
It's entirely possible for you to love someone's album/book/movie and detest their real life actions.
Real life is more complex than people being either good or bad.
Michael Jackson was one of the greatest pop stars of all time, and also abused children. That doesn't negate his achievements. It means he was a great pop star and also a child abuser.
FortuneFaded
Member
You forgot able-bodied.
Samuraicop
Member
The only person I let slide being a dick head is Kanye... because it's Ye
Outside of him I usually drop any racist/sexist/etc or people like that even if it isn't directly their content
Outside of him I usually drop any racist/sexist/etc or people like that even if it isn't directly their content
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Depends on the quality of the art and the severity of the incident(s).
True Savior
Member
Yes. I have no clue about a lifes artist besides his work. He doesnt even need to be an artist. Its the output that interests me.
True Savior
Member
Steak or no steak he is one of the greatest directors of all time. Theres no moral that affects that.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
I don't like supporting these people, but there's also a lot of good people working alongside them...
But at a certain point, I can't separate the two.
But at a certain point, I can't separate the two.
parrotbeak
Member
I have limited time and resources and there is way more art to consume than I'll ever have time or resources to get through. If I have a choice between supporting an artist I don't know anything about vs an artist I know has done terrible things, I'll probably pick the unknown.
I was just thinking of R Kelly. There are so many other great R&B singers. I have not listened to him after the thing about him pissing on a little girl and I've never missed it.
I was just thinking of R Kelly. There are so many other great R&B singers. I have not listened to him after the thing about him pissing on a little girl and I've never missed it.
BlackGoku03
Member
You have to, absolutely. Yes. I don't know these famous people.
I'm only 31 but I've been burned before. By many childhood stars and favorites.
I'm only 31 but I've been burned before. By many childhood stars and favorites.
Fourmyle of Ceres
Member
Even awful people can produce something of value I think. What I can't enjoy are works that are... naive, weak, or which are empowered by whatever it is that makes the artist an awful person. Like, if a racist pos makes a great book about fatherhood or about the Roman empire, I don't have a lot of trouble reading them, but often times you read works done by awful, awful people that really show their own naiveté about the truths of life and humans and society and that I cannot help but be completely disgusted by. That people are bad, well, frankly I'm a cynic and think very very few people are actually good, but even awful people can and are overcome by their own passion to do something true and good and personally that puts them at an approachable level.
Hippopuncher12
Member
Yes.
I think it depends on how much the piece of art is tied directly to their persona.
Koichi Sugiyama is a POS but Dragon Quest isn't about promoting him so I can listen to and appreciate his music in and out of the game. I don't ever have to directly see or hear *him*. Polanski and Weinstein are in this category.
Mel Gibson is tougher. He's talented but some of his roles are basically "Mel Gibson" so that's harder.
On the other extreme is the Cosby show. His name is in the title. And while he's playing "Cliff Huxtable" the character is basically Cosby himself in a wholesome fatherly role so that's much tougher. John Wayne is also in this category.
But everyone has done something garbage in their lives.
Koichi Sugiyama is a POS but Dragon Quest isn't about promoting him so I can listen to and appreciate his music in and out of the game. I don't ever have to directly see or hear *him*. Polanski and Weinstein are in this category.
Mel Gibson is tougher. He's talented but some of his roles are basically "Mel Gibson" so that's harder.
On the other extreme is the Cosby show. His name is in the title. And while he's playing "Cliff Huxtable" the character is basically Cosby himself in a wholesome fatherly role so that's much tougher. John Wayne is also in this category.
But everyone has done something garbage in their lives.
Bobo Dakes
Member
But Adam Baldwin was in the last Mission Impossible.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Its a requirement at this point. If I had to purge every piece of entertainment I've enjoyed that involved somebody who did shit, was complicit in some shit, or was /is involved in or said shit I don't agree with I'd be down to Reading Rainbow and Mr Rogers. Hell maybe one of the producers on those shows was a piece of shit behind the scenes.
pokeystaples
Banned
I always run into the problem of money. I fucking HATE giving trash people my money even if its cents on the dollar. I know Chinatown has been thrown around a lot in this thread. I love that movie. I loved it before I knew what Polanski is. I never got around to buying it before I knew the man was basura. Now its too late. I will probably never add that one to my collection because ew. If I pop over to my moms and its on Ill watch it, but thats about it. Im also one of those people who stopped listening to R Kelly back in the early aughts and never went back. I keep hearing one of my teachers saying, you have to hit them where it hurts and in this day and age the hardest gut punch will be to their wallet. I can never let that lesson go. It means I miss out on lots of things, but the world is full of cool stuff. I got options.
Astral/H3X
Member
This sounds like Dunkey being Dunkey, for better or worse, and just saying it as a general term (which isn't good, mind you). AFAIK he hasn't gone on racist eugenics rants or said Nazis aren't all bad people, so... I could look past something like this. Maybe he is a bigot, but he keeps it to himself if he is.
On the other hand, I also haven't unsubscribed from JonTron. Instead, I just flag every single video of his that pops on my feed as Violent and Disturbing.
Honestly. I live in a pretty compact high density country in western europe. And I know, work with and have all kinds of people as friends or family. Many with opinions that would get you banned on this forum. We tend to agree to dissagree. People are more complicated than that. I know a lot of left wing people who are anti islam and immigration for example. I know some conservative hippies.
America seems pretty polarised but the majority here is a grey mess. With most people having some controversial opinions.
I've interviewed Muslims that vote for conservative parties, thin left wing parties are soft and want cameras everywhere and don't feel safe in their neighbourhoods.
America seems pretty polarised but the majority here is a grey mess. With most people having some controversial opinions.
I've interviewed Muslims that vote for conservative parties, thin left wing parties are soft and want cameras everywhere and don't feel safe in their neighbourhoods.
kitsunelaine
Banned
No, because it's impossible. Creators project themselves onto their work. They go hand in hand. You can choose to ignore it, which is fine I guess, but that doesn't mean that the product isn't a result of the person creating it.
Sad Affleck
Member
This is where I stand.
ScriptedReality
Member
Nah, I can't. Like with R.Kelly aka the Fiesta Molesta.
I havent listened to a song of his since I found out that stuff.
I mean but it goes without saying that it depends on what they did or said.
I havent listened to a song of his since I found out that stuff.
I mean but it goes without saying that it depends on what they did or said.
Ganzlinger
Member
Yes.
Revolutionary
Member
Yes, unless the person is an absolute monster.
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