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SFV Thailand stage removed from store: Speculates BGM using "islamic prayer"
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also the game never showed up on virtual console when the first game in the series did, despite Cruis'n World being the way better game and as equally owned by nintendo as the first one
DarkConfidant
Member
Yeah, same shit happened with LBP1 and Ocarina of Time's Fire Temple.
Hopefully it's replaced quickly.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
Yup. Here's the track that caused the first LittleBigPlanet to be recalled:
https://youtu.be/ex7FMQVufxg
They ended up patching out all the vocals for earlier copies.
Poltergust
Member
Holy. Crap.
I had no idea that the Zelda soundtrack used so many stock sounds and songs. The fact that Final Hours in Majora's Mask is almost entirely a stock song just rocked me to my very soul.
SweetJohnnyCage
Member
Fire Temple all over again. People need to chill out.
spazchicken
Member
Muslim chants in a Buddhist(?) temple themed stage.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Presumably it's not labeled as a Muslim chant in the sound library people are pulling it from, but you never know with Capcom.
I'm inclined to think this is an honest mistake caused by an understandable lack of knowledge about Islamic traditions.
Starwolf_UK
Member
It's literally called track 76 (part of the voice spectral vol. 1 library). Which sorts of begs the question after OOT did Nintendo let the people behind that library know about that track?
eyeball_kid
Member
There's so many Buddhist chanting monk CDs out there they could've sampled from; whoever put this music together must have no clue about Thailand or Buddhism.
Capcom already called Gill, Gil.
RecRoulette
Member
Wait is it literally the same track used in OoT?
Not exactly. While the result is more or less the same, LBP's track composer is a Muslim who added the Quran verses to honor his religion and include it into his art.
It's not about that, it's about not offending people due to your ignorance. Like imagine if a sample had the n word and someone decided it sounded cool for a stage.
lol
AcademicSaucer
Member
You dont have to worry about the buddist doing anything about it
Etrian Oddity
Member
Japanese Game Developers: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, uh... well, you don't get fooled again!"
It's astounding how this exact same prayer gets reused and we get the exact same chain of events. Every. Single. Time.
It's astounding how this exact same prayer gets reused and we get the exact same chain of events. Every. Single. Time.
PuppetMaster
Member
Ya this. I remember that too.
sixteen-bit
Member
I Stalk Alone
Member
Should be a Buddhist chant anyway.
TLZ
Banned
Thailand = Buddhists and Islamic prayers don't mix. Also in Islamic tradition Islamic prayers don't mix with music. Add to that Buddhists would be offended as Islamic prayers don't represent them.
So it's just all wrong.
lensoftruth
Member
It's a shame we live in a world where we have to worry about things like this
Yeah, it is a shame that people ignorantly use other peoples' cultures as background dressing.
Pontiaction
Member
This. They're even rhythmic and almost musical in and of themselves, and would probably make great backing for a music track.
AcademicSaucer
Member
its religion dude, who gives a fuck
lensoftruth
Member
You can know everything about everything and worry about offending people because they believe the sky is green or whatever.
It's clearly an innocent mistake as it's a generic sound file, doubt it would be removed if it was related to another religion either, wish is sad
Garrett Hawke
Member
i mean they picked a buddhist temple for their background so clearly they were interested in it lmao
if its cool enough for your aesthetic but not your respect then maybe you're the one with problems
TLZ
Banned
It's not a shame. It's respecting the other. We should learn more about the other instead of ignoring.
Well they obviously are choosing what to "respect" since they are removing the Islamic prayer but they aren't removing anything related to Buddhism in the stage (are they?)
take it up with the buddhists, I don't make the rules
lensoftruth
Member
Garrett Hawke
Member
I must've missed capcom's statement about attempts on employee lives.
Spinosaurus
Member
Really now?its a generic sample of chanting, you shouldn't have to worry about some nut jobs trying to kill you because you used some sounds in an arcade game.
Obviously it's clearly incorrect - in a better world this would just have been amusing not offensive. But here we are
IdreamofHIME
Member
It's funny how this Islamic chant is off limits because it's offensive to Muslims...But it's ok to have a fighting venue in a Buddhist temple. Capcom doesn't seem worried about offending Thais.
I mean, Capcom obviously does, given they removed it.
Now tell us how you really feel.its a generic sample of chanting, you shouldn't have to worry about some nut jobs trying to kill you because you used some sounds in an arcade game.
Obviously it's clearly incorrect - in a better world this would just have been amusing not offensive. But here we are
To be honest they could have just removed it because they realized it was a bit odd having Islamic chanting in a Thai Buddhist themed stage. I get what you're saying, but they didn't really state their reason as one or the other and I could imagine them wanting to have something more accurate once the error was pointed out even if no one was going to be offended.
lensoftruth
Member
theres been plenty of times a religion has been "offended" by this kind of thing and made threats and carried out attacks, French cartoonists know only too well. It's not a stretch to see that as a major reason for doing this.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Probably both. Fundamentalist Buddhists would be up in arms over this.
There are some places in SEA where there's a lot of friction between the two religion.
MrSaturn99
Member
I knew about the updated response from Nintendo but not about all the samples used for the N64/GC Zelda games! That's very interesting.