That total tax burden differs from model to model.
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German Federal Elections 2017 |OT| Electing the new leader of the free world
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That total tax burden differs from model to model.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
It is 21 billion lower in the left model over the current state, so my point still stands: Barring some people close to the top of the 9th percentile, only the highest grossing 10% would have to pay more taxes under the left model, so in what sense is this model targeting the wrong people?
That's a question for Haunted, I only wanted to correct the numbers.
If I had to criticize their plans, my critique would aim at their financial concept. A "Vermögenssteuer" of 5% alone sounds quite ridiculous once one realizes that things like business assets and real estate are subject to it. Add to that all the other proposed increases to business taxes, and the entire things becomes a threat to mid-sized and family businesses. Yet this is by far the main component of their plan.
Green Yoshi
Member
The reason 1207 why you should not vote for the FDP. There is simply no lobby organization and no market player that is too disreputable for this party.
https://www.facebook.com/zigaretten...178892765064/1893932717489679/?type=3&theater
Germany is the only EU member state to still allow billboard and cinema advertisements for tobacco products. The consequences of this can be seen if one researches the most frequent causes of death in Germany.
https://www.facebook.com/zigaretten...178892765064/1893932717489679/?type=3&theater
Germany is the only EU member state to still allow billboard and cinema advertisements for tobacco products. The consequences of this can be seen if one researches the most frequent causes of death in Germany.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Well, we have to take care about the financial impact of "Ausweichvergalten", don't we...
www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/tabaksteu...ucher-bei-der-stange-halten-a-250588-amp.html
super.modulaire
Neo Member
The situation is a bit boring.
It's either
-CDU/CSU and SPD or
-CDU/CSU, FDP and Greens
There's no chance for another coalition judging by all polls/projections/odds tracker.
And the AfD will be the No. 3 party in the Bundestag (comfortably).
It's either
-CDU/CSU and SPD or
-CDU/CSU, FDP and Greens
There's no chance for another coalition judging by all polls/projections/odds tracker.
And the AfD will be the No. 3 party in the Bundestag (comfortably).
Nicely timed release of that 2013 EU piracy report by the pirates.
Truly the darkest timeline.
Frankfurter
Member
Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the AfD do better than the polls predict.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...ber-die-afd-unzuverlaessig-sind-15198421.html
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Actually, I expect CDU/CSU/FDP. It is not really far off in the polls and for some reason people like to vote for the parties that seem to be winning anyway.
Green Yoshi
Member
I was thinking the same before the election in NRW and then we got a CDU/FDP coalition.
It is not unlikely that some AfD sympathizers switch to FDP in the last second. Both parties want a "Untersuchungsausschuss" (committee of inquiry) because Merkel has opened the borders illegally in their opinion.
So a few days ago I stumpled upon this FDP interview and, fuck, the worst thing the AfD has done to me is making me use up all my energy on them, letting the FDP off the hook.
But now I finally know that temporary employment contracts and unpaid internships are actually great! Also, just be smart and work hard and you'll get rich! \o/ Man, fuck this party.
But now I finally know that temporary employment contracts and unpaid internships are actually great! Also, just be smart and work hard and you'll get rich! \o/ Man, fuck this party.
Captain Smoker
Member
AfD keeps rising and rising in the polls.
What the fuck is wrong with everyone.
What the fuck is wrong with everyone.
anonymous_abc
Member
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kingkaiser
Member
Good old Graf Lambsdorff, a shining example of Europe's noble families in the tradition of Marie Antoinette.
His blunder from yesterday was even worse, though. He actually recommended single parents and people with low income to buy real estate on credit, because what could go wrong, right?
http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/fdp-angebot-an-alleinerziehende-frauen--kauft-euch-doch--ne-immobilie-7629924.html
imho the moderators of the TV-Duell and SPD / FDP deserve some of the blame.
Asking almost 40 minutes only refugee related questions made it seem like the refugee crisis was worse right now than it has ever been.
Also the SPD / FDP attemps to get some last minute votes (from CDU/CSU) by aggressively putting refugees as a hot-topic and thereby only strengthen the AFD didn't help either.
they aren't talking that much about politics which helps them a lot
SporeCrawler
Member
fuck i really fear that foreigners and non-aryan germans will get discriminated in germany very soon.
SporeCrawler
Member
It's basically this all over again, heh?
Look at all them poor "middleclass" simply being Entgeignet just like that.
wow thats quite some money those people are making, no? 260k for a single parent? 26k is more realistic
petran79
Banned
What kind of business though? Small family restaurant or shop?
One day left here's the latest polls:
Young people:
Vegans:
Emnid for Bild:
Insa for Bild:
Forsa for RTL:
Young people:
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/910872053154304000
Vegans:
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/910956283569860613
Emnid for Bild:
Insa for Bild:
Forsa for RTL:
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I never noticed how it is the black couple the one that is least affected in this graph. Holy hell Is that some casual arse racism.It's basically this all over again, heh?
Look at all them poor "middleclass" simply being Entgeignet just like that.
hanspampel
Banned
lung cancer is just #6 with "only" 45k or 5% of all deaths
less than 25% of the population (age 16 and above) smokes anymore
I heard something on the radio a few weeks back where someone from the CDU said that there is a 0% chance that they will form a coalition with the Greens. Did they change their mind?
Bitch Pudding
Member
No one said that, at least no one with a opinion which has some weight.
Tetsujin_MK
Member
It was on DLF but I agree. It would be super weird to make such statements before the election. Still, I'm 100% sure that I've heard what I heard.
For people from abroad following the election, these are the important times:
1800 CEST / 1700 BST / 12 PM EDT / 9 AM PDT
Polling stations close, first exit polls are released (the important ones are by ARD and ZDF)
~1820 CEST / 1720 BST / 12:20 PM EDT / 9:20 AM PDT
First projections based on real voting data are released. This is followed up by new projections at irregular intervals throughout the evening, but there definitely will be another one at 1900 CEST.
~2000 CEST / 1800 BST / 2 PM EDT / 11 AM PDT
If it's not extremely close (obviously w.r.t. who won), it should be clear by then which coalitions are possible and which aren't. Also, this isn't just purely maths, because if the SPD loses a lot, they'd probably disagree to another coalition with the CDU even if possible.
~2200 CEST / 2000 BST / 4 PM EDT / 1 PM PDT
The preliminary end result is released; there probably won't be any changes from this point on.
1800 CEST / 1700 BST / 12 PM EDT / 9 AM PDT
Polling stations close, first exit polls are released (the important ones are by ARD and ZDF)
~1820 CEST / 1720 BST / 12:20 PM EDT / 9:20 AM PDT
First projections based on real voting data are released. This is followed up by new projections at irregular intervals throughout the evening, but there definitely will be another one at 1900 CEST.
~2000 CEST / 1800 BST / 2 PM EDT / 11 AM PDT
If it's not extremely close (obviously w.r.t. who won), it should be clear by then which coalitions are possible and which aren't. Also, this isn't just purely maths, because if the SPD loses a lot, they'd probably disagree to another coalition with the CDU even if possible.
~2200 CEST / 2000 BST / 4 PM EDT / 1 PM PDT
The preliminary end result is released; there probably won't be any changes from this point on.
SporeCrawler
Member
man if afd gets more than 10% and they will i wonder if violence against foreigners will increase.
it doesnt surprise me but it worries me that hate against foreigners will be a tolerable thing again.
it doesnt surprise me but it worries me that hate against foreigners will be a tolerable thing again.
PdotMichael
Banned
No and no
SporeCrawler
Member
why? afd is openly saying that they dont want foreigners in the country and will ban germans that have foreign blood in them.
So you think the AFD will change the constitution at 10% or what are we even arguing?
that's some high quality shopping, I'm impressed
Haunted
Member
That's exactly it.
I speak from personal experience, my partner would be greatly affected by the proposed tax increases from Die Links - she founded a small company with now 3 employees to create something and realise her dreams, we also want to start a family in the immediate future - this makes the left ineligible for me. That's what I mean when I say that their tax increases are (also) hitting the wrong people.
SporeCrawler
Member
I was saying that peole will feel more comfortable showing their racist views openly. Theat included police officers who may choose not to intervene. Trump didnt change the constitution but white supremacy views are now no longer conceilled in the US
Haunted
Member
Seems a bit hyperbolic to compare a party at 10% to the US president.
Germany has it's 10-15% racists that spout their nonsense with or without the AFD in parliament.
lightchris
Member
It may not be as bad as in the US, but I still feel that open racism has become more common over the last years. And I don't think it is too far-fetched thinking that it may get worse with the AFD becoming an established party.
I don't know i feel like it's always been there but now the media focuses all of their attention on them (which is the biggest problem imo).
I don't necessarily think theres much change or more racist people just that they get more attention.
paperboywriter
Member
yeah. fuck AFD from me too!