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[Shinta]

..The meaning should be clear, considering he included quotes from posts along with the avatars. Come on.

Look at the posts he quoted. They're pretty reasonable, and only seem concerned with censorship. I don't get your point.

Anyway, I'll just drop it. Just repeating myself.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Really, people look down on MLP, and I imagine other cartoony kids show avatars as well. Probably any Seth Macfarlane-related avatar too.

I was joking about American Dad though, it's his only good show and he has barely anything to do with it in the first place.

I also think MLP is overrated as fuck in terms of "IT'S SUCH A REVOLUTIONARY KID'S CARTOON" (it's a kids cartoon with surprisingly decent animation, like a ton of other shows that didn't gain an weird cult following) but I'd hardly judge an individual due to having an avatar of it. People shouldn't have to account for how completely unrelated people with similar interests act.

 

[Esch]

Racism isn't the right word. Something like prejudice fits much better, and there's certainly a prejudice against anime and anime-related stuff.

Sorry buddy. This is life, and people will always begrudge you for the things you like.

Deal with it, etc.

 

[cajunator]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

whats my stance on this game? Can anybody guessss?

 

[Toxi]

How old is that spider

He's actually 1000 years old.

No. I call it like I see it. It's only insults about Japanese cartoons, and Japanese avatars. What do you call that?

Stop being afraid of calling it exactly what it is.

If somebody insults The Big Bang Theory in Japan, do they get called racist against Americans?

 

[Funchameleon]

Look guys. Anime avatars are cool (just look at me) but sexualization of pre-/pubescent bodies isn't cool. A company choosing to release a cut down game to find a wider audience, pre-preemptively avoid controversy or fit into a profitable ratings bracket isn't censorship, but the content in this game should be censored worldwide and its creators made to seek help. I hope I've added to this conversation

 

[Geneijin]

The point was the people with the anime avatars happened to usually be the ones getting the most defensive over this decision I assume. As in this isn't a non-biased "censorship is bad!" statement, but they have personal interest in it.

Of course there were way better avatars he could've picked from this thread rather than those honestly, and far worse quotes I imagine...

Not all people with anime avatars defend tripe like this, but all people who defend tripe like this have anime avatars.

I see.

 

[Spineker]

How is this game any different from one of those tacky strip poker apps you can get on mobile? So what, you play an arbitrary mini game where you whip a girl and the fanservice picture of her is slowly revealed?

Not much of an actual game, is it.

 

[Brakke]

Pretty sure Mutes meant that affectionately?

Anyone who has taken a college level logic class

Lololololol. Such humility.

But in many violent video games, violence isn't the main focus. Sure, there is violence in Fallout, but it also contains a commentary about people's attitudes in the US. From what I understand, the exploitation of children is the focus of this game.

Fallout 3? New Vegas? Uhh should we count the minutes spent blasting the heads of man and monster versus talking to mans in those games?

 

[Ponn]

you guys are taking that anime avatar thing way too seriously

Yea, bunch of wussies can't take a joke, man. Man up you bunch of wussies. No, that doesn't sound like bullying at all.

I don't know what's funnier about the reactions to TDM's post: the extraordinary large amounts of tears flowing forth from people, or the fact that so many people missed the point entirely.

You guys really have some soft skin, heh?

Not all people with anime avatars defend tripe like this, but all people who defend tripe like this have anime avatars. It's one of the constants on NeoGAF

.

I'm not a fan of generalizing but everyone defending these kind of disgusting games always has anime or Moe avatars and it's pretty fair to think it's probably because they feel like what they enjoy is being attacked.

At least they make it easy to identify them

really?

It is a shame that I now have to change my avatar or else be grouped into a specific group.

man.

 

[Moff]

and here I was and actually wanting to contribute something to the topic, but thread has obviously been hopelessly derailed

 

[Krejlooc]

Like if anyone has a problem with a thread that they can choose to stay out of in the first place, doesn't matter, they come in and get upset at what they're seeing and then go complain. They could simply go in the thread, see it's not for them, and stay away. Like how you don't go into an adult video store, because you have no interest. Or don't watch sports because you know that's not your thing. Just kind of annoying when some threads get closed just because some people don't like it. I can understand why the Animal Crossing anticipation thread thing got closed because that is more or less an E for everyone game and the "lewdness" was too much for some people. That makes sense.

So like, if there was a video store selling child pornography, the correct course of action would be to just not go into it? Don't want to step on any off-the-wall, smoking pedophile toes?

 

[Seik]

No you're watching a joke post go over people's head.

Seriously, that's ridiculous.

Bitter people biting everywhere they can. You guys can't deny the irony in this, or you're just blind.

If you think that's bullying, you've never been bullied.

 

[watership]

Racism isn't the right word. Something like prejudice fits much better, and there's certainly a prejudice against anime and anime-related stuff.

No, just a specific subgenre inside the genre. I love anime, but to deny that it has a subculture that sexualized children and child-like characters is far worse.

 

[Wazzy]

Well...

I can go on (there's a whole thread full of people saying they'd disregard the opinion of someone with an anime avatar), but I think this should be enough for now.

These views exist for plenty of things. Sports avatars, videogames, comics, etc. The only avatars I could see being persecuted against is MLP(my little pony) and moe avatars.

I'm a pretty big anime and videogame fan and I think it's silly that people are getting so insulted.

Even if there's grounds to it, it's sort of a dumb thing to do. Imagine if you apply this to everything.

"Oh yes, that CorvoSol, clearly he is a fan of everything even tangentially related to Raven Symone. I mean, it's in his avatar!"

I never even saw Corey in the House. Heck I don't think I ever saw more than commercials for the Cheetah girls or whatever.

It's far too prominent on GAF, though.

You wouldn't be likely to get such generlizations because it's not defending games that feature sexual assault on children and rape.

 

[Shinta]

If somebody insults The Big Bang Theory in Japan, do they get called racist against Americans?

Maybe if they then swoop into a conversation and picture quote anyone with anything American in their avatar, and then imply that their opinion is then meaningless.

 

[Funchameleon]

Yea, bunch of wussies can't take a joke, man. Man up you bunch of wussies. No, that doesn't sound like bullying at all.
.

Sarcasm doesn't become you.

 

[Dennis]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

welp

oh well, you had a good run ThoseDeafMutes. Now you get to relax in mod heaven with Amir0x and Dragona.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

This thread is spiraling into madness.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

I was joking about American Dad though, it's his only good show and he has barely anything to do with it in the first place.

I also think MLP is overrated as fuck in terms of "IT'S SUCH A REVOLUTIONARY KID'S CARTOON" (it's a kids cartoon with surprisingly decent animation, like a ton of other shows that didn't gain an weird cult following) but I'd hardly judge an individual due to having an avatar of it. People shouldn't have to account for how completely unrelated people with similar interests act.

I like AD too, and don't mind Family Guy...I was just using it as an example of shows that usually elicit negative reactions.

I'll be honest though, every time I see a MLP avatar nowadays I assume the person is being ironic or lost a bet.

 

[curlyfriski]

No you're watching a joke post go over people's head.

I don't think anyone's missing the alleged joke here.

 

[zeldablue]

There's a lot of racist attitudes towards products coming from Japan these days. I don't know what else to call someone judging avatars in that way, except saying that they're anti-Japanese culture.

It's not just NeoGAF. It's tons of sites on the internet, and it's a common thing for people to judge people in that way, and to put down anything from Japan.

The Japanese really don't like our overly repulsive FPS games.

And a lot of Anericans don't like their child/chibi porn/exploitation games.

Both of these things cater to a creepy demographic that only the other culture sees as disgusting. Obviously we've normalized violence and they've normalized child sexual exploitation. Now we're blind to our own faults.

I honestly don't want to touch either of those categories. I want to see the brightest and smartest games from Japan...not their equivalent to America's glorified violence.

 

[wyrdwad]

Would an animated version, of what could well have been an actual child being sexually molested, be considered art and accepted by people of all ages in an ideal world?

Note that the events in the video didn't have to actually occur in real life, nor did it draw inspiration from any video in particular.

I believe I've already answered that question, then.

If it's fictional, its existence and open discussion is A-OK in my book, regardless of abhorrent content.

"Inspired by actual events" is still fiction. In fact, almost all fiction is in some way inspired by actual events.

I'd be a hypocrite if I answered no to your question.

-Tom

 

[Card Boy]

Lmao, really?

This thread man.

This isn´t close at that situation. Thosedeafmutes post was really unfortunate even if I think he was being sarcastic. But that other "case" was far far worst. Everybody makes mistakes.

No you're watching a joke post go over people's head.

For whats it worth i thought Thosedeafmutes post was funny.

 

[not psycho]

Ok. All we ask is that the rules be clear. Apparently random locks anonymously via modbot are unsettling to the average poster. If the mods agree that there is a line, then please tell us. We're more in the dark than you are.

I'm not saying "I know it when I see it" is ideal, but the rule you are asking for as though it were a mere trifle has never been written by anyone, and may be impossible to write.

A rule which would apply to every game ever made and yet to be made, likely resulting in banning more discussion since the rule could never be perfectly aimed. All to avoid the possibility of a thread being closed? If a game looks to all the world to involve sexual punishment of children in a porn-like scenario, a thread posting NSFW pictures of that game is closed, and clear explanations are given as to why it was closed... why is that unsettling?

It isn't banning the game. It isn't forcing censorship of the game. It isn't even saying the game is bad. Maybe it has a high level of artistic merit (doubtful as that may be). You are reading too much into it, especially since the explanation was already posted. And again, pushing for a hard line is counterproductive and likely impossible.

 

[213372bu]

Lololololol. Such humility.

I think in context it was fine for him to post that.

Saying art hasn't inspired people nor is it meant to is very laughable and something you learn in middle school to be simply not true. Especially in those with not fully-developed brains or other cases.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

How is this game any different from one of those tacky strip poker apps you can get on mobile? So what, you play an arbitrary mini game where you whip a girl and the fanservice picture of her is slowly revealed?

Not much of an actual game, is it.

How many of those games have threads about them on here?

And how many of them involve underaged girls?

 

[SenorArdilla]

Its a shame I couldnt find the proper articles and the ones I linked fail to paint a bigger picture, but basically pornography is mostly good, but certain types of it like humiliation porn and child pornography increase the recidivism in certain percentage of already sick patients. Mind you, im not saying child porn creates pedophiles, just that "art" can harm and having an absolutist view on it just wrong, not to mention it makes you look a bit callous.

Of course. However, I'm more inclined to believe that it is a fault with how society handles the treatment of our mentally ill.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Its a shame I couldnt find the proper articles and the ones I linked fail to paint a bigger picture, but basically pornography is mostly good, but certain types of it like humiliation porn and child pornography increase the recidivism in certain percentage of already sick patients. Mind you, im not saying child porn creates pedophiles, just that "art" can harm and having an absolutist view on it just wrong, not to mention it makes you look a bit callous.

So would you say the "outlet" argument just doesn't hold water at all? If so, I do find that surprising since I imagined there was SOME correlation with the drop in sexual crimes against minors when this kind of stuff was introduced in Japan.

 

[Easton Dark]

Now, this is going to seem egotistical but does anyone have a response to my post here?

Bish made it real clear it was the child part of the pornography that was the issue.

I'd imagine adult characters would make a lot of gaf members a lot more partial to an RPG with sexual characteristics.

 

[Nanashrew]

This thread is spiraling into madness.

At this rate it will be locked in a similar way the thread on NISA's official forums was.

 

[fedexpeon]

and here I was and actually wanting to contribute something to the topic, but thread has obviously been hopelessly derailed

Yup, can't even talk about social-economic situation in this topic =(.
Is there a social forum on Gaf about economics and finance?

 

[AppleMIX]

Lololololol. Such humility.

Regardless of how smug it may of come off it is true and your snarky comment doesn't change that.

 

[Funchameleon]

The phrase "political correctness gone mad" had never meant anything or been uttered by someone whose opinion mattered until someone implied not liking sexy anime lolis is racist

 

[213372bu]

I believe I've already answered that question, then.

If it's fictional, its existence and open discussion is A-OK in my book, regardless of abhorrent content.

"Inspired by actual events" is still fiction. In fact, almost all fiction is in some way inspired by actual events.

I'd be a hypocrite if I answered no to your question.

-Tom

Oh so if it was an animated version of actual child porn it'd be ok for you.

Glad to know.

 

[Gestahl]

Pretty sure Mutes meant that affectionately?

He's probably not anymore, going by the predictable response to it

 

[Ponn]

Sarcasm doesn't become you.

I've been bullied before. This is the shaming process we are entering now. The "it was just a joke and now you are the bad guy for saying you took it wrong"

 

[Two Words]

Please don't ever defile Tom and Jerry, because I really don't want to change it.

 

[GuardianE]

In my opinion, if a moderator wishes to arbitrarily lock a thread without explanation, they should put their name to it.

 

[Htown]

There's a lot of racist attitudes towards products coming from Japan these days. I don't know what else to call someone judging avatars in that way, except saying that they're anti-Japanese culture.

Bullshit.

The anime avatar thing isn't because the avatars evoke Japanese culture. It's that we have had thread after thread regarding games that have content of a questionable nature relating to creepy sexualization of young-looking characters, and basically without fail a group of posters sporting anime/moe avatars have been the ones defending this shit.

Nobody brings up anime avatars in threads like this because they hate anime or Japan or Japanese people or Japanese culture; it's just that it's suuuper easy to notice that the people talking about and defending these ridiculously creepy games wear those avatars a ton.

To be clear, I have no problems with anime in general. I watch several hours of anime every week. Liking anime or Japanese games doesn't mean you have to go into "DEFEND THE ART FORM" mode when people call out those Japanese products that are really fucking creepy for being really fucking creepy.

 

[benjipwns]

The Japanese really don't like our overly repulsive FPS games.

And a lot of Anericans don't like their child/chibi porn/exploitation games.

Both of these things cater to a creepy demographic that only the other culture sees as disgusting. Obviously we've normalized violence and they've normalized child sexual exploitation. Now we're blind to our own faults.

I honestly don't want to touch either of those categories. I want to see the brightest and smartest games from Japan...not their equivalent to America's glorified violence.

 

[Glittering Crux]

you guys are taking that anime avatar thing way too seriously

The thing is it happens in every thread about a niche Japanese game with controversial content and it's annoying. People don't understand that it's a medium with lots of variety like any other. For everyone person on GAF that does it as a joke there are 5 others that don't do it as a joke.

 

[Dragonborn]

No, just a specific subgenre inside the genre. I love anime, but to deny that it has a subculture that sexualized children and child-like characters is far worse.

Sure, there is, just like there's bad sub cultures for pretty much everything.

I'm just saying that, it's sad to see such generalizations on a board dedicated to gaming which itself suffers from big generalizations from the mainstream

 

[Camjo-Z]

I really can't see how any complaints against this are justified. If you wanna whack it to underage girls getting "sexually punished" then you're more than welcome to go talk about it somewhere else.

 

[PAULINK]

why can't we all just get along

 

[Kriken]

Sorry guys but I'm laughing at half the avatars ITT.

...While I understand the connotation of this post, a mod should not be encouraging this shit

 

[DICKS AHOY]

The Japanese really don't like our overly repulsive FPS games.

And a lot of Anericans don't like their child/chibi porn/exploitation games.

Both of these things cater to a creepy demographic that only the other culture sees as disgusting. Obviously we've normalized violence and they've normalized child sexual exploitation. Now we're blind to our own faults.

I honestly don't want to touch either of those categories. I want to see the brightest and smartest games from Japan...not their equivalent to America's glorified violence.

clearly someone should make a gory and overly patriotic fps about shooting child anime sex workers

bridge the cultural gap

In my opinion, if a moderator wishes to arbitrarily lock a thread without explanation, they should put their name to it.

It was something every mod apparently came to the same decision to though, what difference does it make? Just treat ModBot as a Meet Dave-style robot all the mods are piloting at once.

 

[dark_prinny]

In my opinion, if a moderator wishes to arbitrarily lock a thread without explanation, they should put their name to it.

I agree with this.

 

[MormaPope]

In my opinion, if a moderator wishes to arbitrarily lock a thread without explanation, they should put their name to it.

True, but for Crime Girls the reasoning is rock solid.

 

[Zabant]

I'm personally just neutral on the whole thing. I love GAF because it's more or less focused and not cluttered with random stuff (most of the time). There aren't a lot of trolls or spammers and no annoying signatures under every post that just pad a thread. But I feel like some people on GAF are way too sensitive to some things.

Like if anyone has a problem with a thread that they can choose to stay out of in the first place, doesn't matter, they come in and get upset at what they're seeing and then go complain. They could simply go in the thread, see it's not for them, and stay away. Like how you don't go into an adult video store, because you have no interest. Or don't watch sports because you know that's not your thing. Just kind of annoying when some threads get closed just because some people don't like it. I can understand why the Animal Crossing anticipation thread thing got closed because that is more or less an E for everyone game and the "lewdness" was too much for some people. That makes sense.

But I'm a very open-minded person who doesn't really care what someone likes and doesn't like. They can enjoy what they like. If they like smoking, okay, I'll just stay way since I don't like smoke.

But yeah, I'm a crazy guy who enjoys going to 4chan on the side for their silly, off-the-wall antics. =/

Good post, and I agree.

Going into those threads just to post things like "BAIL" and "This is disgusting" is no better than me going into threads about say Sniper Elite and saying "anyone who enjoys the kill cams is sick in the head"

Those post do nothing but cause flame wars. If there's any real rule breaking in a thread then report it to a mod.