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Robert Downey Jr. on Iron Man 4: "Why give up the belt?"
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Disney give Marvel budget money, Marvel uses part of that to pay the talent.
And Marvel are staggeringly stingy. RDJ had to pull a power play for everyone to get Avengers 2 pay rises. I have no doubt that, while he wants the film to be good, he'd walk away in a second if they tried to lowball him. And Iron Man sells because of RDJ now, replace him and that huge box office dwindles to a few hundred mill at best.
speculawyer
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He has found a new addiction.
It's my understanding that he is to Iron Man what Joker is to Batman. I could understand some hate towards the move they pulled. Can you imagine if they did something like that with the Joker? Still, on it's own merits, I quite enjoyed the part of the twist involving Ben's Kingsley, not having any investment in the character prior to the movie myself. It was just damn entertaining and funny as hell. That said, I did not like Guy Pierce's character at all... then there's Gweneth Paltrow, oh my. FAAAAAAAAALCON PUNCH!!!
I'd imagine if Depp wasn't there, the Pirates movies would tank. He's the only reason anyone still goes and sees them I think.
Hundreds of millions of dollars?
Wish I could develop that sort of crippling affliction.
Iron Man 1 is along with Dark Knight the best superhero movie for me (Avengers doesn't count imo since it's a cross over). It had great pacing, great build up and wasn't full of cheese. Iron Man 2 was overwhelming, bland and mediocre. Iron Man 3 was a serious disaster and makes me think twice to see the next movie in a cinema. So yeah, go back to the roots like Iron Man 1.
stn
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I hated IM3. The comedy was overdone and they BUTCHERED The Mandarin. I don't know if any of you are fans of the Iron-Man comic series, but Mandarin is IM's worst foe. He's supposed to be a powerful Asian warlord. IM3 reduced him to a comedy act. I don't get the like for the movie because of this.
I don't understand, how does Avengers being a crossover not count, especially when all those Marvel movies have references to each other?
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We'll see. "Ike" is a notorious penny pincher.
Yes. Really enjoyed the movie, but mostly this. The twist was fantastic. I don't read the comics, so I don't care what the character was not. I just enjoyed what they did with it.
Marvel are pretty stingy with their cast but RDJ got more than $100 million between Avengers & IM3, all they have to do is dial up the percentage gross he gets.
ElRenoRaven
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I hope so. He is Iron Man. I could not picture a better person for the role anymore since he brought it to the big screen. I really can't.
bananafactory
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I agree. Loved IM3.
I care less about the Mandarin twist and more that they squandered a good idea on shitty jokes.
Iron Man 1 caught me by surprise because I didn't know anything about the movie or the universe it was based on walking in to see it.
Iron Man 2 was more of the first one. It had War Machine in it. Sam Rockwell did a great performance. He was funny and sleezy but not an egomaniac in a suit. Movie felt like a continuation in ever sense of the word.
Iron Man 3 had the most issues because it didn't make any sense. Didn't have the comfort of building off a named sequel and instead was lead-in by The Avengers in the previous year. It's a hard act to follow I guess but inevitably leads to a weaker sequel going from a super hero crossover to single character movies.
It was a Christmas story and the entire movie would have been over if Tony Stark put on one of his other suits during the helicopter attacks rather than the one that wasn't "combat ready" ... Really convenient things written in the story to force it along.
That and the movie had the marketing and toy department in the script to make sure there was no drinking, a child sidekick, and a ton of Iron Man suits flying around for no reason other than to look totally awesome.
Iron Man 2 was more of the first one. It had War Machine in it. Sam Rockwell did a great performance. He was funny and sleezy but not an egomaniac in a suit. Movie felt like a continuation in ever sense of the word.
Iron Man 3 had the most issues because it didn't make any sense. Didn't have the comfort of building off a named sequel and instead was lead-in by The Avengers in the previous year. It's a hard act to follow I guess but inevitably leads to a weaker sequel going from a super hero crossover to single character movies.
It was a Christmas story and the entire movie would have been over if Tony Stark put on one of his other suits during the helicopter attacks rather than the one that wasn't "combat ready" ... Really convenient things written in the story to force it along.
That and the movie had the marketing and toy department in the script to make sure there was no drinking, a child sidekick, and a ton of Iron Man suits flying around for no reason other than to look totally awesome.
A lot of people here talking about the real Mandarin appearing in IM4 as well as a lot of people upset because of how they destroyed the character in IM3.
I didn't watch the movie, was him really Mandarin in IM3 or the after-credits left some hints that there is another ''real'' one?
I didn't watch the movie, was him really Mandarin in IM3 or the after-credits left some hints that there is another ''real'' one?
Duane Cunningham
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Totally agreed, and I DO read comics. I've been a huge Marvel junkie all my life, but I don't care that they "butchered" the Mandarin. In fact, it was probably the first time I've been entertained by a Mandarin story at all. He's a crappy, third rate Marvel villain. If they can find a way to give Paste Pot Pete or the Mad Thinker a fun twist, I'm all for that, too.
Granted, I haven't read any of Matt Fraction's run or anything, so maybe something original and cool HAS been done with the Mandarin more recently, but cmon. No, he's not the Joker.
Yeah in the 'Hail to the King' one-shot with Trevor it's revealed that the Mandarin is a real person and he's pissed off to the point where he has Trevor captured in prison and brought to the real 10 Rings.
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You can't until you see someone else actually doing it. Think Heath Ledger announced as the Joker.
Imo, RDJ is passé by now.
Schweinehund
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RDJ is getting up there though, already 49. If super hero movies don't dry up they have a pretty hard task in replacing him & also making it a smooth transition in universe. I like super hero movies but I can't see them still being super popular in 10 years.
Didn't care much for IM3 either, was a movie more about Tony Stark than Ironman, and more comedy slanted.
Didn't care much for IM3 either, was a movie more about Tony Stark than Ironman, and more comedy slanted.
Duane Cunningham
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Agreed. I hope they retire Tony Stark when they retire RDJ. Have somebody else fulfill a similar role or something, but I don't think they should recast Tony Stark. Maybe have him come back 8 years later (played by RDJ) if the MCU is still going strong.
I don't really give a shit about the Mandarin as a character but that twist sucked a lot of air out of the movie.
Also, I just thought it was sort of boring for the most part.
ElRenoRaven
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I do agree with the you can't till you see someone doing it thing. Ledger is a prime example. To this day I think his Joker is my favorite ever. Classic comic joker coming in just a hair behind him. Also After Keaton gave up Batman I couldn't picture someone else doing that either but I think Bale actually did a good job with the role. So yea I know I say I can't but someday down the road they will find someone that does the role just as much justice as RDJ has done it.
The idea, in fact, was ingenious.
Will never understand people being disappointed by the twist. Probably the best thing to happen to the character in his history of existence and thank god the movies have some balls to attempt stuff like this. I worry for the day where Feige and the MCU become cookie cutter films with the same format, because they try their hardest to be that.
Father_Brain
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I'm pretty skeptical. I believe RDJ that IM4 hasn't definitively been ruled out, but if Marvel was willing to pay him whatever extravagant sum or percentage he's demanding, I don't really see why it wouldn't have been announced last year when his contract was extended to cover the Avengers sequels.
Word to that. IM3 was just a fun film to watch for me. Much like IM1 and Avengers. If Marvel is willing to keep Downy in ole Shellheads helmet then I'll keep watching.
friskykillface
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give robert the money $$$$$$$
he deserves it B^)
lol Terrance Howard with infinite L's
he deserves it B^)
lol Terrance Howard with infinite L's
Barack Lesnar
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I thought the end fight scene with all the different Iron Man suits was badass. It made the movie for me.
Vampirolol
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Iron Man 3 is the best Marvel movie so far, I would love to see Black working on a fourth chapter, but it won't happen. Anyway Iron Man is going to die in Avengers 2 or 3.
1) that's because people actually like rdj and
2) no, not really
BronsonLee
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Truth be told, besides what people think about the execution, I like the fact that Marvel is stupid/crazy enough to try the shit they've been doing with IM3/Thor 2/Cap 2. They planted some heavy universe-changing shit in Phase 2 so far.
BRING ON GOTG
BRING ON GOTG
Killing_Joke
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Even though the franchise is on a slow decline imo RDJ absolutely deserves all the money plus more. I love that he has Marvel by the balls.
T.M. MacReady
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I think the people who love IM3 just paint people who don't like it as 'comic nerds who hate the twist' when in fact:
- The plot is a cheesy Incredibles ripoff
- Tony doesn't bother to make any efforts to defend his home after giving his address to the Mandarin, despite having 30+ remote piloted suits available
- The Iron Patriot suit doesn't work when the President is in it but does moments later when Rhodey wears it (don't say it knows who Rhodey is, it worked fine when the bald guy wore it too)
- Iron Man movie never features him in a functional suit
- Tacked on cheesy kid segment in middle of movie kills pacing and adds nothing to story (why does the suit need to charge if its powered by the arc reactor? How is Jarvis being shut down and later fixed? Why does this movie break so many rules established in the previous two?)
- Lame fight with Guy Pearce ultimately ended by Pepper somehow firing from a random arm that's not attached to any power source
- PTSD storyline ultimately remains unresolved
- Kid friendly script doesn't allow Tony Stark to drink or deal with his drinking problem, which would have added more depth to PTSD storyline
Jeez I could keep going. The problem with Iron Man 3 isn't that they changed the character of the Mandarin, the problem is its a poorly plotted mess that features very little Iron Man action and another lame corporate white guy villain we've already seen in the previous 2 IM movies.
- The plot is a cheesy Incredibles ripoff
- Tony doesn't bother to make any efforts to defend his home after giving his address to the Mandarin, despite having 30+ remote piloted suits available
- The Iron Patriot suit doesn't work when the President is in it but does moments later when Rhodey wears it (don't say it knows who Rhodey is, it worked fine when the bald guy wore it too)
- Iron Man movie never features him in a functional suit
- Tacked on cheesy kid segment in middle of movie kills pacing and adds nothing to story (why does the suit need to charge if its powered by the arc reactor? How is Jarvis being shut down and later fixed? Why does this movie break so many rules established in the previous two?)
- Lame fight with Guy Pearce ultimately ended by Pepper somehow firing from a random arm that's not attached to any power source
- PTSD storyline ultimately remains unresolved
- Kid friendly script doesn't allow Tony Stark to drink or deal with his drinking problem, which would have added more depth to PTSD storyline
Jeez I could keep going. The problem with Iron Man 3 isn't that they changed the character of the Mandarin, the problem is its a poorly plotted mess that features very little Iron Man action and another lame corporate white guy villain we've already seen in the previous 2 IM movies.
Liquidsnake
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Honestly, as bad as 3 was, they could still squeeze another 2 movies out of Downey.
God help the man who has to take his place.
Him and Wolverine will not be easy.
God help the man who has to take his place.
Him and Wolverine will not be easy.
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Iron Man and Hulk just need to be side kicks in other marvel movies from here on out...
Father_Brain
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Fraction did a decent job with him, actually, but he was created as a blatantly racist Yellow Peril archetype. I don't think anyone who's written the character has been able to fully escape those trappings.
thehypocrite
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Thuthfact. I agree with this rational dissection of why IM3 isn't a good movie.
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