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GI:BIZ Sony needs to stay humble and focused

Majority of the PS4 exclusives I've seen being listed are like filler games.

Diverse library sure, but don't see the appeal in many of the games. I don't speak for everyone but stuff like No Man's Sky doesn't excite me.

And most of them will probably sell better than SO and FH2, so they won't be bad filler
 
How is Sony "not being humble"? Because they're not cutting the price of the PS4? That has nothing to do with being humble. It's a business strategy. Is Microsoft being "humble" by cutting the price of the XBO? Fuck no. It's a business strategy, the console is simply not selling, so they HAVE to cut the price to keep the merchandise moving.

Sony doesn't to play catch up, they created a compelling and solid product from the get-go. That's the perk of planning and executing correctly.

Nothing to do with humility.
Pretty much. But I guess the truth doesn't make for a good story.
 

iceatcs

Junior Member
Media will have meltdown if PS4 won on Nov NPD and Xbox haven't won any month for long time. Not just the fans & sale-ages.
 

orochi91

Member
define 'filler games'

Top tier games: Uncharted/GoW/GT

Mid-Tier: Infamous, Killzone, Drive Club, Motorstorm

Filler: Everything.

That's the kind of hierarchy I've seen people employ when ranking Sony games.
In Japan. no one is buying vitas anywhere else, JRPGs or no. And even on vita, there aren't any high profile titles on P5's level. the last one was what, FFX remaster?

That's a good point.

Vita is non-existent outside of Japan.
 

GnawtyDog

Banned
Media says Sony should become ever more humble, stay humble.

What I read was, Media wants Sony to buy more ad-space on their websites otherwise GTFO.

Move that goalpost a bit more......

I get it now.
 
Also: Will Gran Turismo make an appearance in 2015?

2015/2016 according to Kaz. They don't seem to be willing to commit to any hard dates for the series after what happened with GT6. Hopefully we'll hear something about it at the PS Experience.

Dont know where Until Dawn and Tearaway will fit.

When PS Australia announced the PS4 sales they mentioned that Until Dawn was an early 2015 title. So Sony will have that Bloodborne, MLB, and The Order during that period. Ratchet is also due in the first half of 2015. Then you have whatever unannounced titles and indie games that'll help fill out the rest of the lineup.
 

Chobel

Member
I'd love them to start turning the hype up though at this event in December. A CGI trailer would for me.

According to Shinobi, Sony isn't going to reveal the game until E3 2015, so you probably shouldn't expect anything related to this game to be announced in December event.
 

TechnicPuppet

Nothing! I said nothing!
According to Shinobi, Sony isn't going to reveal the game until E3 2015, so you probably shouldn't expect anything related to this game to be announced in December event.

Ah well just need to make do with Witcher 3 then and hope Fable turns out better than it looks.
 
According to Shinobi, Sony isn't going to reveal the game until E3 2015, so you probably shouldn't expect anything related to this game to be announced in December event.
I have doubts those things are decided in November and earlier. Personally, I believe we won't be seeing it till even after E3.
 
When PS Australia announced the PS4 sales they mentioned that Until Dawn was an early 2015 title. So Sony will have that Bloodborne, MLB, and The Order during that period. Ratchet is also due in the first half of 2015. Then you have whatever unannounced titles and indie games that'll help fill out the rest of the lineup.

I don't know about this. From the Gamescom demo the game looked highly unpolished; some of the animations were so unfinished that it "moved" like a PS1 game. I'm expecting a delay.
 

Loudninja

Member
2015/2016 according to Kaz. They don't seem to be willing to commit to any hard dates for the series after what happened with GT6. Hopefully we'll hear something about it at the PS Experience.



When PS Australia announced the PS4 sales they mentioned that Until Dawn was an early 2015 title. So Sony will have that Bloodborne, MLB, and The Order during that period. Ratchet is also due in the first half of 2015. Then you have whatever unannounced titles and indie games that'll help fill out the rest of the lineup.
Yeah I imagine we will get a release date next month.
 
They had a tough transition at their WWS even canning a game 3+ years in development at Santa Monica that no doubt left a void. 2015 will be where they reaffirm how great their studios are.

MS has done a great job this holiday season of shaping the narrative that PS4 has no games and Xbone has an abundance of games. I will be interested to see how it gets covered in the media when that is flipped around in 2015. Right now it is very much a near sighted look at the market that is happening.
 

iceatcs

Junior Member
I don't know about this. From the Gamescom demo the game looked highly unpolished; some of the animations were so unfinished that it "moved" like a PS1 game. I'm expecting a delay.

Pretty much, I bet many PS4 games delaying because of high standard reviewers on PS4 system. If keep going on with low scores, it will destroy Sony's reputation.
 

orochi91

Member
They had a tough transition at their WWS even canning a game 3+ years in development at Santa Monica that no doubt left a void. 2015 will be where they reaffirm how great their studios are.

MS has done a great job this holiday season of shaping the narrative that PS4 has no games and Xbone has an abundance of games. I will be interested to see how it gets covered in the media when that is flipped around in 2015. Right now it is very much a near sighted look at the market that is happening.

The Order being delayed royally fucked the holiday line up for Sony, probably that cancelled SSM game as well.

GT6 should have been released this holiday instead of last year :/
 
Majority of the PS4 exclusives I've seen being listed are like filler games.

Diverse library sure, but don't see the appeal in many of the games. I don't speak for everyone but stuff like No Man's Sky doesn't excite me.

Oh, so you said "thank you" because he talked bad about Sony's games?
Got it!
 
Uncharted will definitely sell over a million. Ratchet and Clank also has a good chance.

My big question marks are Persona. Will it be bigger than P4 and P3 after how popular they were, or smaller due to jRPG sales regression in market? Or is the pent up wait for P5 really causing anticipation to build more than it otherwise would have?

And the other one is Tearaway. That game was one of the best I ever played, but was crippled sales-wise by being on Vita. Is it going to find a market on PS4? Will the gameplay changes they had to make allow the game to retain its unique charm? Will they market it? The bar for success will obviously be lower due to already having a lot of the stuff completed from Vita version, so budget is probably not near as high as some of their other games.

Also: Will Gran Turismo make an appearance in 2015?

Sony has so much people working on games it should be a great 2 years for them .
There still SSM , Bend , GG new IP , SP ,MM , SCEJ ,PD and what ever else they got working with other companies .
 
The Order being delayed royally fucked the holiday line up for Sony, probably that cancelled SSM game as well.

GT6 should have been released this holiday instead of last year :/

Agree and agree. Better to get it right though. They really need to avoid a driveclub situation again though.
 

orochi91

Member
Sony has so much people working on games it should be a great 2 years for them .
There still SSM , Bend , GG new IP , SP ,MM , SCEJ ,PD and what ever else they got working with other companies .

It's not quantity that matter, but quality.

With the exception of TLoU, I can't think of a game that got universal acclaim, as well as commercial success from WWS recently.
 

Amir0x

Banned
Outside of The Order, Bloodborne, R&C Remastered, and UC4, everything else IMO is a tier below.

EDIT: I could argue Everybody's Gone to the Rapture and maybe WILD, but that's it for me.

What does that mean? Yes obviously they're a tier below in terms of likely sales potential, but they're not filler. Most of them have the potential to be fantastic games, some of the best in its respective year.
 
Top tier games: Uncharted/GoW/GT

Mid-Tier: Infamous, Killzone, Drive Club, Motorstorm

Filler: Everything.

That's the kind of hierarchy I've seen people employ when ranking Sony games.


That's a good point.

Vita is non-existent outside of Japan.

Those are not mid tier games they don't sell enough to be them .
 

Killer

Banned
I think most first PS4 adopters bought the system out of principle and reaction to MS shitty policies/DRM. At the end, people will flock to the console with most/better games.
 

orochi91

Member
I think most first PS4 adopters bought the system out of principle and reaction to MS shitty policies/DRM. At the end, people will flock to the console with most/better games.

I could see that being the case, but MS doesn't have a consistent line up of games to support that.

They hoard their titles for the holidays, leaving the rest of the year wide open for Sony to lap up more consumers :/
 

RBK

Banned
What does that mean? Yes obviously they're a tier below in terms of likely sales potential, but they're not filler. Most of them have the potential to be fantastic games, some of the best in its respective year.

That's the discussion at hand. How would I know if a game is bad if I haven't played it?

Just saying that most(for me at least) don't appeal to me.
 

Killer

Banned
I could see that being the case, but MS doesn't have a consistent line up of games to support that.

They hoard their titles for the holidays, leaving the rest of the year wide open for Sony to lap up more consumers :/

I remember Spencer saying on IGN podcast they want to change that and spread out games through out the year. We will see come 2015.
 
It's not quantity that matter, but quality.

With the exception of TLoU, I can't think of a game that got universal acclaim, as well as commercial success from WWS recently.

The game media think it's decide quality the people that buy the games do also.
For eg Infamous SS sold 1 million in 9 days but the media would make you think FH2 and SSO are bigger games.
Still they could not sell 200k in NPD in first month .
 
So tell me the great MS 2015 lineup for the next 3 quarters.

Pro-tip: He won't be able to tell you because it's empty, save for Below and Ori. Sony's 2015 is looking packed in terms of exclusives alone so I think they'll be alright. Microsoft's problem is that any momentum they gain this holiday will quickly die without exclusive content to prop it up slightly in the slow months, seeing as PS4 is the chosen box for multiplatform games.

It's unlike a year ago where PS4's momentum continued simply down to it being new and at a great price....that kind of thing isn't going to fly as we move into 2015 for either platform so exclusive content in the drier months is where it's at. Sony has you covered. Microsoft on the other hand doesn't seem to.
 
According to Shinobi, Sony isn't going to reveal the game until E3 2015, so you probably shouldn't expect anything related to this game to be announced in December event.

They might do it earlier (at PSXP) to remind people who's boss this gen.

Or maybe they don't need to since they are so going to re-reveal TLG there.

Believe
 
It's not quantity that matter, but quality.

With the exception of TLoU, I can't think of a game that got universal acclaim, as well as commercial success from WWS recently.

lol, I love how you come up with both qualifiers. Because it's not good enough JUST to have universal acclaim,, you're also got to be a commercial success. And that's an incredibly easy thing to do, right?
 
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