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Planned Parenthood exec, fetal body parts subject of controversial video

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The video was taken with a Planned Parenthood exec named Deborah Nucotola who thought she was with buyers from a human biologics company. She tells the prospective buyers, "[w]e’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part. I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.

“I’d say a lot of people want liver. And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance, so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps.”

So Planned Parenthood conscously "crushes" fetuses in a way that allows for greater human organ harvesting, which are then re-sold farther down the line by companies like Stem Express. You can get 25% off your first order of at least $1,000. Stem Express also promises "Financial Profits" from clinics who partner with them to sell the "raw materials usually discarded during obstetric procedures."

A lot of words to say that your picture had absolutely nothing to do with PP.

That's nice, did you read the full 60 page transcript (or watch the two hour video) or just take the 9 min edited video and run with the fear mongering?

Deborah Nucatola goes in depth about the consent, about the difficulties of making all of this work, about how PP tries to just break even and not profit from fetal tissue, and significant details about all steps of the process. Fetal tissues have been researched since decades ago; polio vaccine and treatments for Parkinson's are results of it. You're basically complaining about the ethics of organ donation from a corpse. Because you know, fetal tissue is sacred compared to living people suffering from terrible diseases.

Did you think abortion was going to have the fetus slide out nice and easy? If the forceps are going to have to be used to get a fetus out, is it not better for the forceps to be applied in places where the useful tissue isn't? If Planned Parenthood doesn't "consciously crush fetuses" in a way to avoid damaging organs, are they supposed to damage the actual organs? Are they supposed to "crush" the head and pull the fetus out?

And what does Stem Express have to do with Planned Parenthood? Is that what the edited video and the full video discuss? Stem Express is never mentioned in the whole conversation. If you're trying to link Stem Express and Planned Parenthood, where's the link? Where does Planned Parenthood "sell" fetal tissue to Stem Express? Is it Planned Parenthood's fault if they provide fetal tissue to a buyer under the belief that it is being used for research and then the product is used by the company for profit purposes?

It's good that you can parrot the marketing of Stem Express so well though. Are you advertising for them?

And boom goes the dynamite.
 
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Jpop

Unconfirmed Member
The video was taken with a Planned Parenthood exec named Deborah Nucotola who thought she was with buyers from a human biologics company. She tells the prospective buyers, "[w]e’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part. I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.

“I’d say a lot of people want liver. And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance, so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps.”

So Planned Parenthood conscously "crushes" fetuses in a way that allows for greater human organ harvesting, which are then re-sold farther down the line by companies like Stem Express. You can get 25% off your first order of at least $1,000. Stem Express also promises "Financial Profits" from clinics who partner with them to sell the "raw materials usually discarded during obstetric procedures."

Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes

That's nice, did you read the full 60 page transcript (or watch the two hour video) or just take the 9 min edited video and run with the fear mongering?

Deborah Nucatola goes in depth about the consent, about the difficulties of making all of this work, about how PP tries to just break even and not profit from fetal tissue, and significant details about all steps of the process. Fetal tissues have been researched since decades ago; polio vaccine and treatments for Parkinson's are results of it. You're basically complaining about the ethics of organ donation from a corpse. Because you know, fetal tissue is sacred compared to living people suffering from terrible diseases.

Did you think abortion was going to have the fetus slide out nice and easy? If the forceps are going to have to be used to get a fetus out, is it not better for the forceps to be applied in places where the useful tissue isn't? If Planned Parenthood doesn't "consciously crush fetuses" in a way to avoid damaging organs, are they supposed to damage the actual organs? Are they supposed to "crush" the head and pull the fetus out?

And what does Stem Express have to do with Planned Parenthood? Is that what the edited video and the full video discuss? Stem Express is never mentioned in the whole conversation. If you're trying to link Stem Express and Planned Parenthood, where's the link? Where does Planned Parenthood "sell" fetal tissue to Stem Express? Is it Planned Parenthood's fault if they provide fetal tissue to a buyer under the belief that it is being used for research and then the product is used by the company for profit purposes?

It's good that you can parrot the marketing of Stem Express so well though. Are you advertising for them?

Beautifully said.
 

DonasaurusRex

Online Ho Champ
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we've come a long way from throwing them away in the trash i guess....yikes

how many babies have been aborted in the US so far i wonder...
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
That's nice, did you read the full 60 page transcript (or watch the two hour video) or just take the 9 min edited video and run with the fear mongering?

Deborah Nucatola goes in depth about the consent, about the difficulties of making all of this work, about how PP tries to just break even and not profit from fetal tissue, and significant details about all steps of the process. Fetal tissues have been researched since decades ago; polio vaccine and treatments for Parkinson's are results of it. You're basically complaining about the ethics of organ donation from a corpse. Because you know, fetal tissue is sacred compared to living people suffering from terrible diseases.

Did you think abortion was going to have the fetus slide out nice and easy? If the forceps are going to have to be used to get a fetus out, is it not better for the forceps to be applied in places where the useful tissue isn't? If Planned Parenthood doesn't "consciously crush fetuses" in a way to avoid damaging organs, are they supposed to damage the actual organs? Are they supposed to "crush" the head and pull the fetus out?

And what does Stem Express have to do with Planned Parenthood? Is that what the edited video and the full video discuss? Stem Express is never mentioned in the whole conversation. If you're trying to link Stem Express and Planned Parenthood, where's the link? Where does Planned Parenthood "sell" fetal tissue to Stem Express? Is it Planned Parenthood's fault if they provide fetal tissue to a buyer under the belief that it is being used for research and then the product is used by the company for profit purposes?

It's good that you can parrot the marketing of Stem Express so well though. Are you advertising for them?

And apparently you didn't read the transcript either, because Dr. Nucatola specifically mentions StemExpress several times and says that several of the PP affiliates contract with StemExpress. (That said, we could have used your rigorous insistence on "the full transcript" in the Romney 47% thread).

You said above that PP tries to break even and not make a profit, but that is being generous. She says:

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Your faith in their determination to make a "reasonable" profit is precious. Since it went over so well in the context of defending abortionists profiting on the sale of human organs, I'm going to try that out in the next thread about a telecom raising rates or imposing caps.

I also look forward to using the "is it PP's fault if a third party misuses the "raw materials from obstetric procedures?" in future Goldman Sachs thread since it went over so well in the context of defending abortionists harvesting and profiting on the sale of human organs.
 
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Jpop

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And apparently you didn't read the transcript either, because Dr. Nucatola specifically mentions StemExpress several times and says that several of the PP affiliates contract with StemExpress. (That said, we could have used your rigorous insistence on "the full transcript" in the Romney 47% thread).

You said above that PP tries to break even and not make a profit, but that is being generous. She says:

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Your faith in their determination to make a "reasonable" profit is precious. Since it went over so well in the context of defending abortionists profiting on the sale of human organs, I'm going to try that out in the next thread about a telecom raising rates or imposing caps.

I also look forward to using the "is it PP's fault if a third party misuses the "raw materials from obstetric procedures?" in future Goldman Sachs thread since it went over so well in the context of defending abortionists harvesting and profiting on the sale of human organs.

You're ignorant, stop digging your hole deeper.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I also look forward to using the "is it PP's fault if a third party misuses the "raw materials from obstetric procedures?" in future Goldman Sachs thread since it went over so well in the context of defending abortionists harvesting and profiting on the sale of human organs.

While i'll agree that StemExpress was mentioned a few times, i'm still not sure how that really helps your underlying argument.

Also, what the fuck are you even trying to say here?
You really need to do better forming your arguments if you hope to actually get your point across.
 

Cat

Member
The video is propaganda and fear-mongering because abortion is a medical procedure and is gross to discuss. There's no shortage of available articles to explain these points, but in case ya'll need some:

Wonkette: Why Is Planned Parenthood Selling Your Babby For Scrap? (Oh Right, It’s Not)
TheGuardian: Abortion is a medical procedure. The reality of those often isn't pleasant
Slate: Live Action Puts Out Another Titillating but Misleading Video About Planned Parenthood
Statement from Planned Parenthood on New Undercover Video
MediaMatters: 3 Deceptive Edits In The Video Claiming Planned Parenthood Is "Selling Aborted Baby Parts"
 
Brought to you from the same supporters of "gay marriage will destroy america" and "Obama is an atheist mulsim that will trigger the holocaust"
 

Bodacious

Banned
There's a new video out today of another meeting with a PP exec, and this one's a little more ... yuck is all I can think to say. It's much more clearly a negotiation (she even won't give a dollar value she's willing to take 'per specimen' and says that typically in a negotiation it's the first party that makes an offer that's usually "out" in the end) and at the end is talking about working with the doctor to make sure 'less crunchy' procedures are used whenever possible to ensure preserving whole tissues. I'm sure there's some editing done to the content of the meeting to emphasize the ugliest statements, but damn it's not pleasant.

I'm pro-choice, or at least I should say that I see abortion as a medical procedure only and strictly between the patient and doctor, i.e. none of the government's business. But I can't support it being an industry, geesh.
 
There's a new video out today of another meeting with a PP exec, and this one's a little more ... yuck is all I can think to say. It's much more clearly a negotiation (she even won't give a dollar value she's willing to take 'per specimen' and says that typically in a negotiation it's the first party that makes an offer that's usually "out" in the end) and at the end is talking about working with the doctor to make sure 'less crunchy' procedures are used whenever possible to ensure preserving whole tissues. I'm sure there's some editing done to the content of the meeting to emphasize the ugliest statements, but damn it's not pleasant.

I'm pro-choice, or at least I should say that I see abortion as a medical procedure only and strictly between the patient and doctor, i.e. none of the government's business. But I can't support it being an industry, geesh.

I saw this video yesterday,
I feel that mods should also re-edit this post in light of the truth that keeps coming out.
 

Armaros

Member
There's a new video out today of another meeting with a PP exec, and this one's a little more ... yuck is all I can think to say. It's much more clearly a negotiation (she even won't give a dollar value she's willing to take 'per specimen' and says that typically in a negotiation it's the first party that makes an offer that's usually "out" in the end) and at the end is talking about working with the doctor to make sure 'less crunchy' procedures are used whenever possible to ensure preserving whole tissues. I'm sure there's some editing done to the content of the meeting to emphasize the ugliest statements, but damn it's not pleasant.

I'm pro-choice, or at least I should say that I see abortion as a medical procedure only and strictly between the patient and doctor, i.e. none of the government's business. But I can't support it being an industry, geesh.

Do you believe the entire bio-medical industry is completely without negations on costs and prices?

And that PP should be taking the first offer to how they transport volatile bio-tissue without trying to get the best price as to not waste taxpayer and donor money? Then the conservatives would be try at how they are wasting money and are they just using PP to give large payouts to X and Y company.

So they lose, lose.
 
Didn't their smear-videos get ACORN defunded, as dishonest as they were? Is there a chance this BS could get Planned Parenthood defunded as well?
 
"The truth"?

Yes the Truth!
why do you think there are women protesting with the #womenbetrayed
There's clearly more to learn from all of this.

Edit:It's not just this issue there appear to be many other issues from parenthood

On July 14th and July 21st, the Center for Medical Progress released undercover videos showing Planned Parenthood executives casually discussing the harvesting and sale of baby body parts. It was sickening. It was horrifying. In both videos, the abortionists filmed - Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Senior Director of Medical Services and Dr. Mary Gatter, the President of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Medical Directors’ Council - candidly discuss the harvesting and selling the body parts of aborted babies and the haggling of prices for these baby body parts.

The abortion giant claims they care about women but they don’t – just look at their actions. Planned Parenthood gets over $500 million a year in our taxpayer money and makes more than $100 million in profit, all while having abortion quotas. The organization has been caught covering up statutory rape, double-billing taxpayers, aiding and abetting sex traffickers, scheduling sex-selective abortions and accepting money to abort African American children.

Women have been betrayed by Planned Parenthood. Families have been deceived. And the smallest among us have been the ultimate victims of Planned Parenthood's horrific business schemes. Quite frankly, we've had enough. It’s time to relieve Planned Parenthood of our taxpayer dollars. Join pro-lifers across the nation on Tuesday, July 28th to call on state and federal officials to investigate and defund Planned Parenthood, now!

I think we will continue to see more and more info come out,
regardless of the outcome I just feel that we need to continue to explore how this pans out, instead of just shrugging it off.
 
Yes the Truth!
why do you think there are women protesting with the #womenbetrayed
There's clearly more to learn from all of this.

Edit:It's not just this issue there appear to be many other issues from parenthood

I think we will continue to see more and more info come out,
regardless of the outcome I just feel that we need to continue to explore how this pans out, instead of just shrugging it off.

casually discussing the harvesting and sale of baby body parts

No, not baby body parts.

They're casually discussing medical waste and payment for reimbursement for the procedure and shipping.

You literally posted anti-abortion propaganda as a source...
 
Because people keep getting fed the half-story instead of the full one? In that sense they really are being betrayed.

Have you seen these women testimonies,
why would they lie to themselves?

Not only do some women regret the abortion now they have to deal wit the fact that they didn't even know their children were sold and they don't even recall agreeing to anything.

This is sorta reminds of companies like comcast shoe-horning deals without my knowledge,
next time I see the bill, it ends up being 3X the price they told me.
 
Yes the Truth!
why do you think there are women protesting with the #womenbetrayed
There's clearly more to learn from all of this.

Edit:It's not just this issue there appear to be many other issues from parenthood



I think we will continue to see more and more info come out,
regardless of the outcome I just feel that we need to continue to explore how this pans out, instead of just shrugging it off.

Mind posting the source for the article you just posted? I have a feeling anyone calling Planned Parenthood an "abortion giant" isn't exactly unbiased.

Have you seen these women testimonies,
why would they lie to themselves?

Not only do some women regret the abortion now they have to deal wit the fact that they didn't even know their children were sold and they don't even recall agreeing to anything.

Post some links, dude.
 
Not only do some women regret the abortion now they have to deal wit the fact that they didn't even know their children were sold and they don't even recall agreeing to anything.

Whose children have been sold without their consent? How did they find out they were sold if they apparently were never told about this by PP? Are they just speculating based on articles from activists who want to shut PP down, or do they have some specific inside information that proves their aborted children were harvested without their consent? How do we know that any fetal organs were distributed without consent? How do we know that any fetal organs were sold with the intent of making a profit vs. with the intent of not making a loss on distribution?
 
Mind posting the source for the article you just posted? I have a feeling anyone calling Planned Parenthood an "abortion giant" isn't exactly unbiased.



Post some links, dude.

The link is from the #womenbetrayed ( I goggled it this morning)
I saw these testimonies on my local news ( I don't have the link , but searching #womenbetrayed on youtube should be able to direct you to such links)
 
Man this group is really trying hard to give their smear campaign legitimacy...and the GOP is playing right into their hands.

The link is from the #womenbetrayed ( I goggled it this morning)
I saw these testimonies on my local news ( I don't have the link , but searching #womenbetrayed on youtube should be able to direct you to such links)

searching for #gamergate shows that some gamers oppose feminism.
 
Have you seen these women testimonies,
why would they lie to themselves?

Not only do some women regret the abortion now they have to deal wit the fact that they didn't even know their children were sold and they don't even recall agreeing to anything.

This is sorta reminds of companies like comcast shoe-horning deals without my knowledge,
next time I see the bill, it ends up being 3X the price they told me.

Whose children are being sold? What children?
 

Ziffles

Member
Have you seen these women testimonies,
why would they lie to themselves?

Not only do some women regret the abortion now they have to deal wit the fact that they didn't even know their children were sold and they don't even recall agreeing to anything.

This is sorta reminds of companies like comcast shoe-horning deals without my knowledge,
next time I see the bill, it ends up being 3X the price they told me.

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How about you tell us your true feelings on abortion and PP here instead of posting hyperbole?
 
The Campaign of Deception Against Planned Parenthood

Regarding the 7/21 video of the lunch meeting between evil Planned Parenthood demons discussing the sale of baby parts for maximum Satanic woman-hating profit:

The full video of the lunch meeting, over two hours long and released by the Center for Medical Progress after complaints by Planned Parenthood, shows something very different from what these critics claim. Clearly, the shorter version was edited to eliminate statements by Dr. Nucatola explaining that Planned Parenthood does not profit from tissue donation, which requires the clear consent of the patient. Planned Parenthood affiliates only accept money — between $30 and $100 per specimen, according to Dr. Nucatola — to cover costs associated with collecting and transporting the tissue. “This is not something with any revenue stream that affiliates are looking at,” she said. Under federal law, facilities may be reimbursed for costs associated with fetal tissue donation, like transportation and storage.

Shocking--the video was edited by PP enemies to make it look like they're trying to profit from selling fetus tissue.

What is that fetal tissue used for?

Researchers use fetal tissue to study and develop treatments for diseases and conditions like H.I.V., hepatitis, congenital heart defects, retinal degeneration and Parkinson’s. Last year, the National Institutes of Health gave $76 million in grants for fetal tissue research. Planned Parenthood is certainly not the only collector of fetal tissue — clinics associated with universities also supply tissue for research.

Do some research, y'all.
 

Camwi

Member
I think we will continue to see more and more info come out,
regardless of the outcome I just feel that we need to continue to explore how this pans out, instead of just shrugging it off.

What you posted isn't really information, it's just a rant.
 

Arkeband

Banned
The link is from the #womenbetrayed ( I goggled it this morning)
I saw these testimonies on my local news ( I don't have the link , but searching #womenbetrayed on youtube should be able to direct you to such links)

You're going down a really dumb rabbit hole, bro.
 
The link is from the #womenbetrayed ( I goggled it this morning)
I saw these testimonies on my local news ( I don't have the link , but searching #womenbetrayed on youtube should be able to direct you to such links)

Do you think a hashtag like #womenbetrayed is likely to give you a variety of opinions on the topic? Or just one type of opinion? Do you think that #womenbetrayed will have many posts by women who don't feel betrayed?
 

dramatis

Member
Yes the Truth!
why do you think there are women protesting with the #womenbetrayed
There's clearly more to learn from all of this.

Edit:It's not just this issue there appear to be many other issues from parenthood

I think we will continue to see more and more info come out,
regardless of the outcome I just feel that we need to continue to explore how this pans out, instead of just shrugging it off.
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/
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Q: How much of Planned Parenthood’s services are dedicated to abortions? Does the federal government fund those procedures?

A: Abortions represent 3 percent of total services provided by Planned Parenthood, and roughly 10 percent of its clients received an abortion. The group does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law.
Planned Parenthood’s 2008-2009 annual report states that it received $363.2 million in "Government Grants and Contracts." (See page 29.) That’s about one-third of its total revenues for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2009.

However, not all of that money is from the federal government. Planned Parenthood’s government funding comes from two sources: the Title X Family Planning Program and Medicaid. About $70 million is Title X funding, Planned Parenthood spokesman Tait Sye told us. The rest — about $293 million — is Medicaid funding, which includes both federal and state money.

But Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it receives from the federal government for abortions anyway. According to the Department of Health and Human Service’s website, "by law, Title X funds may not be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning." Medicaid funding is restricted by the Hyde Amendment to only abortion cases involving rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother. Some states use their own funds under Medicaid to go beyond that. Seventeen states and, until recently, the District of Columbia pay for "medically necessary" abortions, according to the Guttmacher Institute. The federal budget deal now bans Washington, D.C., from using its funds to pay for abortions.
But hey, you have testimonies from the #womenbetrayed hashtag you googled this morning, instead of information about PP's profit, spending allocation, and taxpayer funds that I googled. Good job on your investigation.

If you decide to look up proper information on your own, do be advised that most of the links are to sites obsessed with discrediting Planned Parenthood and carry an agenda and bias because of anti-abortion reasons. Despite the fact that only 3% of PP's work is abortions.

Have you seen these women testimonies,
why would they lie to themselves?

Not only do some women regret the abortion now they have to deal wit the fact that they didn't even know their children were sold and they don't even recall agreeing to anything.
Unfortunately, even in the secretly recorded video conversations, PP says they only acquire tissue from women who agree to donate their tissue. So yeah, there would be women who have abortions, and never recall agreeing to anything. Their fetuses weren't used. PP cremates those.
 
Taking consideration for fetus out of the discussion.

I wouldn't be happy if I was a woman getting an abortion, and the doctor had an incentive to remove the fetus in tact and was altering the procedure to do so.

I don't really think that should matter much when the goal of an abortion is to remove the fetus in its entirety from the person. So long as the health of the woman isn't being placed at further risk than otherwise i don't see how this would be an issue
 
The link is from the #womenbetrayed ( I goggled it this morning)
I saw these testimonies on my local news ( I don't have the link , but searching #womenbetrayed on youtube should be able to direct you to such links)

What are these testimonies? The outrage can be misguided, y'know.
 

bchamba

Member
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How about you tell us your true feelings on abortion and PP here instead of posting hyperbole?

I think this is how he really feels

I mentioned it will be really hard for them, but I believe it's worth the sacrifice they will go through in the next year.

They are people and agencies that could help

Here are some numbers

Care Net/Heartbeat 800-712-HELP

Crisis Pregnancy Hotline 888-4-OPTIONS

Birthright 800-550-4900

National Life Center Pregnancy Hotline 800-848-LOVE

Bethany Christians Services 800-238-4269

America’s Crisis Pregnancy Helpline 800-67-BABY-6

Nurturing Network 800-TNN-4MOM

Good Counsel Homes 800-723-8331

Several Sources Foundation 800-NO-ABORT

www.pregnancycenters.org - Online help offered by Women and Children First

I'd say give the kid a chance :)
 
The Campaign of Deception Against Planned Parenthood

Regarding the 7/21 video of the lunch meeting between evil Planned Parenthood demons discussing the sale of baby parts for maximum Satanic woman-hating profit:



Shocking--the video was edited by PP enemies to make it look like they're trying to profit from selling fetus tissue.

What is that fetal tissue used for?



Do some research, y'all.


Even people who have seen the 2 hour unedited raw video
would like to stop Parenthood.

Here's Kelly talking about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOtCrWnXVMw

I would like to see raw video for myself later.
 

Aurongel

Member
Even people who have seen the 2 hour unedited raw video
would like to stop Parenthood.

Here's Kelly talking about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOtCrWnXVMw

I would like to see raw video for myself later.
People who have been against Planned Parenthood from the beginning continue to be against it.

We call that "confirmation bias" my friend. I respect your personal feelings against abortion but it's a proven fact that this is a smear campaign and is falsely representing the organization. Democrat/Republican/etc, it's a fact.
 

gohepcat

Banned
Is there anywhere we can donate to Planned Parenthood?

I used them quite a bit as a young man when I first became sexually active and they were absolutely invaluable for inexpensive STD testing, birth control and gynecological services for my partners, and sexual health education.

The thought of these monsters taking away family planning centers in poor neighborhoods is appalling, dealing with the social implications of a wave of unwanted children is frightening, and painting stem cell research is ghoulish is pushing me over the fucking edge.

I want to support PP with as much money as I can spare and not let this overwhelming ignorance destroy medical research and women's health.

I hope you will do the same.
 
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