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Digital Foundry: Hands-on with Uncharted: the Nathan Drake Collection
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I don't think we know if it unlocks by beating any difficulty or only by beating crushing.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Bluepoint is such a talented team. I wonder what a game made from the ground up by them would look like.
Unknown One
Member
Now remaster Gran Turismo 3-6 please.
It's always interesting to me how they say things like that just by looking at the game.
Is there really a way to tell how many Xs anisotropic filtering has just by watching footage or are they full of shit? I don't know anything about it, just curious
That would be so excellent but I doubt that would happen. :-(
No, it's a guess based on PC experience. It's clearly higher than 4x but there is enough subtle blur that leads me to believe we're seeing 8x in many cases but it seems higher in other areas. I think it could be applied at different levels on different textures rather than across the board. There's no real way to know 100% without the developers knowledge. It's just an educated guess. Either way, it's not an issue and textures look sharp.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
I'm pretty sure they could talk generally about how they remaster projects without Sony's approval.
Not really interested to hear how it's done in general, I want to hear what was done specifically for this collection.
Bioshocker
Member
I'll absolutely getting this. Finally a remaster to kill for (although I really liked The Last of Us on PS4 it didn't differ much from the PS3 game).
I've been going around Europe the past couple of weeks talking about this a bit, it's difficult between the short time talking about the Collection in general or journalist questions to delve too much into some stuff.
Apart from DF directly talking to Bluepoint, what kinds of things do you want to know? Maybe we can find someone we can work with to write about it or find a way to delve deeper into it. There were some crazy things Bluepoint had to deal with to even get the remastered project underway.
That would be nice. There are still some people who thinks that these ports are very cheap and "just upping the rez".
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Shadow dithering is the only downside. Would have been good if they found an affordable soft shadow solution.
Pretty keen to go through all three again at native 1080p with decent texture filtering.
Pretty keen to go through all three again at native 1080p with decent texture filtering.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
If there are people that still have that opinion after reading that DF article, then they are either fanboys or idiots.
This is going to be an all Donut Drake playthrough with all three games. Interested what the other 60 skins are.
That was more a generall statement (see God of War 3 remaster threads) than only for this Collection. Some behind the scenes stuff about making these remasters would be interesting.
That was more a generall statement (see God of War 3 remaster threads) than only for this Collection. Some behind the scenes stuff about making these remasters would be interesting.
downgrade? Inception? Profit?
The game has new Donut skins.
Please do, I'm sure it would make for an interesting and informative read. Also, good work with the talk at EGX, I appreciate some of the background stories behind Uncharted and tidbits about the collection. The things I want to know can probably be easily covered by a DF article, stuff like how they managed to compressed everything, especially pre recorded cutscenes onto one disc since that's doubled the framerate, people like to echo "shared assets" between games - I'd like to know to what extent that is true. Other things like moving from Cell to a more standardised architecture, how they changed SPU workload to work on PS4, how useful was the move to fibres that was covered by Christian Gyrling in his GDC talk, etc. Art assets would be of interest as well, how much was redone from scratch or how many higher quality assets were already available. Audio stuff too would be nice.
I hope you can arrange something with DF. Cheers.
Well, the process definitely seems different to any other remaster before. I'm personally mainly curious how the whole process from start to end happened really. Such as, did Bluepoint start with the source-code for each Uncharted game and then try and port them all to PS4, or did they take the source-code for "The Last of Us: Remastered" and then try and just get all the game-data for the Uncharted games running in that version of the engine? How backwards-compatible was the engine with the old game-data for example?
They also must have spent a lot of time heavily optimizing the engine to get parts of the game running at 60FPS, considering that the engine being used for Uncharted 4 is a continuation of the one used for 'The Last of Us: Remastered", did any of the changes they made get pushed to the Uncharted 4 version from the Collection or Vice-Versa?
Also, I remember that Naughty Dog originally created two seperate teams because they wanted to get more use of their engine, but it was so ingrained into their work environment that it would be really difficult to license it to other teams or let other teams use it. But now Bluepoint Games have done that, could the Naughty Dog engine be used by other studios (in the same way the 'Killzone: Shadow Fall' engine was used to make 'Until Dawn')?
The reason I am personally interested is because I am a Computer Science undergrad at University with aspirations to go into the games industry and really love reading and hearing about this stuff so I can learn more about game development.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Some extra deets on audio, and video compression would be good in addition to the usual graphics stuff.
For example the TLoU FAQ mentions
I think most of the interviews have not delved too deeply into this, but having visited Bluepoint and having conversations about this, I do know some of this info to different degrees already. Putting some of it into a FAQ could be an option too.
eg. over 12,000 newly created textures, mostly related to a new environment lighting model that was created for UNDC which I've talked about on tour.
RealityCheque
Banned
Kinda figured that was the case. Great work that they do, seems like it's sort of a waste and outside of people who really know who they are and what they are doing, the probably won't get the accolades they deserve.
The Titanfall 360 port is a case in point, technically amazing. Yet very few people even knew it was them who did it and probably thought it was a Respawn effort.
Either way, we'll keep getting some perfect remasters from them for now.
Wow this is interesting stuff.
Screenshot thread is going to be interesting.
Its going to be pretty awesome.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Can't someone already start one? I've seen several excellent screenshots already.
What's the difference between them exactly (other than the obvious)? Which is better?
Summer Haze
Banned
Basically, camera motion blur blurs the entire screen when you turn the camera, and object motion blur is when certain objects in-game have blur applied to them independently. Here are some examples:
Camera.
Object.
Camera.
Object.
It's down to personal preference as to which one is better. I'll mostly likely play with object only, depending on how strong the camera blur is.
Would love something similar to what you guys did with Rubin and Gavin for the Jak Collection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT4Ppbg257g
But instead with ND employees that made the original games on PS3 and Bluepoint guys talking about the differences of developing it and then having to remaster it.
Basically, camera motion blur blurs the entire screen when you turn the camera, and object motion blur is when certain objects in-game have blur applied to them independently. Here are some examples:
Camera.
Object.
Camera.
Object.
It's down to personal preference as to which one is better. I'll mostly likely play with object only, depending on how strong the camera blur is.
Those are great examples, thanks! I'm typically not a fan of motion blur...mostly because I love taking screenshots and it gets in the way a game's clarity at times.
hodayathink
Member
One of their forgotten wizardly acts was getting PSABR to run at 60fps on the Vita.
the_batman
Banned
how the hell did they fit all three games on one disc?
i was wondering about this. i definitely don't like overly strong camera blur. object blur is more my taste.
Well it helps that they were using the bluepoint engine.
Seems bluepoint thinks the same as Object blur is the default setting in this collection I think.
Pimpbaa
Member
Someone else? A downgrade. Bluepoint remastering a Bluepoint remaster would result in a game that would run at 4K and 120fps on a tv that is only capable of 1080p and 60fps.
Let's not get carried away, it is not one of the best looking games compared to current gen only stuff, it's looking great for what it is, but "one of the best looking games"? nah.
Dictator93
Member
This thread has wizards, 4K 120 fps, secret sauce, magic references, and a constant level of astoundement as to how a port like this could exist.
A DF tech thread.
A DF tech thread.
They are in Uncharted 3 as well this time, dark10x confirmed it earlier in the thread.
Aha, great news. Thanks for digging that up.