Wonder if we'll ever see a "Middle Earth" Special Edition 6 movie set in a couple years where PJ goes back ala Star Wars and makes some digital changes to integrate the LOTR trilogy with the Hobbit Trilogy. Like re-doing the Gollum CGI in FOTR and changing the ring finding scene to use the one from AUJ.
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Been meaning to watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy, should I give it a go?
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Wonder if we'll ever see a "Middle Earth" Special Edition 6 movie set in a couple years where PJ goes back ala Star Wars and makes some digital changes to integrate the LOTR trilogy with the Hobbit Trilogy. Like re-doing the Gollum CGI in FOTR and changing the ring finding scene to use the one from AUJ.
Bobby Roberts
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he's said he's never doing that, I believe.
He's never said anything either way, what you're thinking of is his VFX supervisor saying he doesn't think it will happen.
https://web.archive.org/web/2013041...s-secrets-of-the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey
Bobby Roberts
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No, that's not what I'm thinking of, but thanks.
I mean, prior to Peter Jackson the books were widely considered unfilmable. The best Hollywood had done was the terrible Bakshi animated film.
There were quite a few of what I'd consider action scenes. Only a single proper battle scene though.
wingedarcher7
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They're massive films that have influenced and been referenced countless times for many reasons. They're absolutely worth at least checking out.
Boss Doggie
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Oh yes, especially the last one, but they were sorta scattered.
RIP Boromir you got Sean Bean'd
I remember him saying on the audio commentary of FOTR how cool it would be to 'fix' gollum to make him match with the later films...
Bobby Roberts
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Maybe that's what I'm thinking of! But I remember it as him saying he wouldn't do that.
There's also the fact he's had ample opportunity to do so in the decade-plus and he hasn't actually seized it.
It has been ten years since i watched tje commentary, but i remember him saying something in the vain of 'maybe we go back for the 20 year special edition and fix this'
Edit: but i am not sure if he ever will
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Just finished FotR, apparently I got the EE.
I don't see how it is boring, at all. The movie managed to hook me and they never actually lingered with talking or the scenery panning. It's good and from what I heard the later two are better, so this is stepping up the plate. Pretty enjoyable movie altogether.
Though I have some wonder why Gandalf didn't do his telekinesis shit on other moments like the goblin fights.
With that said... I now understand the eagle meme. Maybe I should not pursue it more though...
People also said spicy food is delicious but it's not for me
When you're done, read some of the Silmarillion background stuff (I mean on Wikipedia, basic lore level stuff, not the entire thing). It put some things into perspective why certain characters and creatures act they way they do in these movies. At least to certain degree. I'm far from being an expert on the Lotre lore and the world Tolkien has build that goes far beyond what they show in the movies but there are some thing regarding the wizards and eagles that make their behaviour somewhat understandable. There is a little more to them than meets the eye.
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Yeeeep. lol
Boss Doggie
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Almost at the end of TT with Helm's Deep.
I feel laughing because Boromir could have come back because everyone and their kin did that but Sean Bean has some death to characters he plays never returning lol
I feel laughing because Boromir could have come back because everyone and their kin did that but Sean Bean has some death to characters he plays never returning lol
Only one of the greatest film trilogies of all time
Yeah I'd go standard edition first, the EE has some great scenes but they aren't necessary to follow the main line of the film.
Agree, but it doesn't really hurt watching the EE's either.
Problem with the EE's is that they have lots of extra filler scenes that were rightfully scrapped, but also feature some brilliant ones that should've made the original cut. The flashback with Boromir, Faramir and their father in Osgiliath (I think) in TTT puts their actions and motiviations in a whole new light for instance...
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Hahaha. I'd pay good money to see a Hobbit movie starring Morgan Freeman.
Boss Doggie
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Just finished TT. Loved it!
With that said certain character "quests" felt a bit slow, like I wasn't really so fond of Pippin and Merry (they were honestly annoying in FotR), though I guess their climax was worth it. With that said I kinda felt like Frodo's journey was on the slow side. Like, even with a good payoff it still kinda feels slow, though I like how they set up Gollum to be, while backstabbing, is quite understandable and you really do pity him.
I guess I can't really complain about being too "Men"-centric, since eventually fiction has to be human-focused regardless, but I enjoyed what I get. Though while I enjoyed the Helm's Deep fight the orcs are kinda... tokusatsu-ey. Err, how do I say this... Power Ranger mooks-ish in behavior, especially during that "break the culvert" moment, what with the exaggerated movements. Even the fight reminded me of a musou game than an actual defend the keep. But still it was enjoyable.
Next time, RotK.
Wait, so all those flashbacks were not in the theatrical? Wow, that would really make Faramir's character weird if he was acting like that.
I always thought the EEs so far were those Arweyn flashbacks.
With that said certain character "quests" felt a bit slow, like I wasn't really so fond of Pippin and Merry (they were honestly annoying in FotR), though I guess their climax was worth it. With that said I kinda felt like Frodo's journey was on the slow side. Like, even with a good payoff it still kinda feels slow, though I like how they set up Gollum to be, while backstabbing, is quite understandable and you really do pity him.
I guess I can't really complain about being too "Men"-centric, since eventually fiction has to be human-focused regardless, but I enjoyed what I get. Though while I enjoyed the Helm's Deep fight the orcs are kinda... tokusatsu-ey. Err, how do I say this... Power Ranger mooks-ish in behavior, especially during that "break the culvert" moment, what with the exaggerated movements. Even the fight reminded me of a musou game than an actual defend the keep. But still it was enjoyable.
Next time, RotK.
Wait, so all those flashbacks were not in the theatrical? Wow, that would really make Faramir's character weird if he was acting like that.
I always thought the EEs so far were those Arweyn flashbacks.
TTT theatrical cuts out most of Faramir's development, most of the Ent scenes, and the first we see of Rohan is the exiled Eomer surrounding Aragorn and co. All of the Rohan scenes prior to that are cut. Oh, it also cuts out the orc scenes with Merry and Pippin.
Boss Doggie
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Outside of the Ent scenes all of those are quite integral, holy shit!
My personal favourite of the trilogy and possibly my favourite movie of all time.
Enjoy it Doggie!
DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH!
Unfortunately the trend of cutting really important stuff continued in ROTK. Fortunately the EE restores it, and the result is fantastic, though sitting through a 4 hours and 10 minutes long film makes me antsier now than it did when I was younger. I think ROTK is great regardless though; hope you enjoy it!
Some of those weren't outright cut. The only Ent scene I can think being cut was Merry and Pippin drinking the entmoot (the water that made them grow). Alot of the Merry and Pippin orc stuff is just heavily trimmed down, but still present in the theatrical versions.
Also the previous poster was incorrect, the first we see of Eomer in the theatrical version is him arriving at Edoras with the King's son. His exile ends with Wormtongue saying "..under pain of death," but the exchange about the King making it official is cut.
The stuff about Aragorn being as old as he is was cut. The funeral for the King's son Theodrid is cut, so when the King asks where his son is, it cuts right to the shot of the grave. The Boromir flashback was cut (which sucks because it's one of my favorite scenes). Some of Faramir's lines were cut, as was his threat to Gollum at the end.
As far as Fellowship goes, I think alot of the cuts were alot more justified. I like all the extended stuff, but there is some worldbuilding stuff that feels more unnecessary, and there are some more natural transitions.
Fun facts though... the shot of Aragorn kicking the Orc helmet and screaming? They did that acouple dozen times, but the shot that made it into the movie was the last one because on that kick, Viggo Mortensen broke his toes, and gave out a WAAYYY bigger scream than any of the prior takes.
Also during filming, Arwen joins the elves fighting at Helm's Deep. There are shots of her side-by-side with Aragorn fighting all these Uruk Hai. Obviously that and a whole subplot where she visits Galadriel in Lothlorien were cut.
SCULLIBUNDO
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So OP posted a substantial update while he was in the middle of watching TTT.
Done with this thread!
Done with this thread!
What else is OP supposed to do while changing discs?
Daniel Jackson
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"You bow to no one"
That part just always gets me.
That part just always gets me.
Boss Doggie
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I'll be watching RotK later when I get home. I should buy popcorn.
Boss Doggie
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And just finished RotK. What a ride!
Personally I feel it is the least strong on the films due to the shifting on focus on they tend to have different tones. In itself is not bad but sometimes it can give you a feeling that you'd rather see what's happening on one side of the story than the other (and as someone put it, I do feel more engaged with Gondor than Frodo). And the sacking of the White Tower can feel... dragging in a bit. Still it's a great movie, and I do agree that it is one of the few trilogies that give a satisfying ending.
I can now understand what people meant by Legolas soloing the whole movie lol
With that said what's with the random romance of Eowyn and Farathir? Felt all of a sudden.
The trilogy is definitely warranting of the awards, and generally the stuff I harp on are mostly personal preferences and shit. But for me I rank it as...
TT > FotR > RotK
Personally I feel it is the least strong on the films due to the shifting on focus on they tend to have different tones. In itself is not bad but sometimes it can give you a feeling that you'd rather see what's happening on one side of the story than the other (and as someone put it, I do feel more engaged with Gondor than Frodo). And the sacking of the White Tower can feel... dragging in a bit. Still it's a great movie, and I do agree that it is one of the few trilogies that give a satisfying ending.
I can now understand what people meant by Legolas soloing the whole movie lol
With that said what's with the random romance of Eowyn and Farathir? Felt all of a sudden.
The trilogy is definitely warranting of the awards, and generally the stuff I harp on are mostly personal preferences and shit. But for me I rank it as...
TT > FotR > RotK
Well done! Now give The Hobbit trilogy a go too.
No! Noooooooo!
It was just in the movie because it happened in the books.
It was just as random in the books, too.
Boss Doggie
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I never got the "multiple endings" people meant.
Isn't it just one long epilogue?
nope, I don't think I can handle that
Ahh that's... weird. Though I'm glad they didn't put the Saruman climax of the book, from what I summarized it looked weird.
Isn't it just one long epilogue?
nope, I don't think I can handle that
Ahh that's... weird. Though I'm glad they didn't put the Saruman climax of the book, from what I summarized it looked weird.
I think the fade to blacks can be endings to people... I almost got up when the first fade to black came on.. then it was like 30 minutes left of the movie
I think the fade to blacks can be endings to people... I almost got up when the first fade to black came on.. then it was like 30 minutes left of the movie
Yes the multiple drawn out fades feel like a movie coming to an end. This is cinematic language ingrained in people for decades. Can't blame people for feeling that way
Megalosaro
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That's one of the main themes of the story. That the war of the ring is the end of an ear in which all of this magic shit can happen. With the passing of the rings, and the elves return to valinor, the world is becoming more mundane.
It worked pretty well in the book, I thought. I can see why they left it out of the movie, though.
Sibersk Esto
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The real next step is to read the books
gutter_trash
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Watch the Hobbit trilogy first
Glad to hear you enjoyed ROTK! I think it's possibly the most inconsistent of the films but it does have what is probably my favorite single scene: the charge of the Rohirrim at the Pelennor Fields. Though that's far from the only great part of the movie of course.
I've never found the multiple ending criticism to make much sense either. I can understand people getting antsy if they have to pee, but they were wrapping up not just one very long film but a 12 hour long trilogy (in the EEs ... close to 10 hours for the theatricals). Personally, I want to see plot strands and character arcs properly concluded, and even in the EE there is stuff they shot but didn't include (such as "what happened after" scenes for Legolas and Gimli).
I know you're probably joking but this is an even worse idea than starting to watch Star Wars with Episode I.
I've never found the multiple ending criticism to make much sense either. I can understand people getting antsy if they have to pee, but they were wrapping up not just one very long film but a 12 hour long trilogy (in the EEs ... close to 10 hours for the theatricals). Personally, I want to see plot strands and character arcs properly concluded, and even in the EE there is stuff they shot but didn't include (such as "what happened after" scenes for Legolas and Gimli).
I know you're probably joking but this is an even worse idea than starting to watch Star Wars with Episode I.
Noooooooooooo!
The multiple endings complaint was always a bit weird to me. Why do people care so much that there are some fade to black transitions?
IMO it's quite appropriate considering there are several story threads which all get their own conclusions.
Oh please.
IMO it's quite appropriate considering there are several story threads which all get their own conclusions.
I know you're probably joking but this is an even worse idea than starting to watch Star Wars with Episode I.
Oh please.
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