brandonh83
Banned
Bloodborne is quicker yeah. But I loved that, it makes the pacing feel incredible and you can still take your time.
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LTTP: Dark Souls 2
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Bloodborne is quicker yeah. But I loved that, it makes the pacing feel incredible and you can still take your time.
To be honest there's probably just as much tracking in BB and DaS3, it's just that the animations are better so it doesn't look as weird.
brandonh83
Banned
Well, they did it, Jabba the Hutt is now a Dark Souls boss.
I just cannot understand how some people honestly believe this. I can play Dark Souls or even Demon's and then Dark Souls II and notice the severe downgrade in terms of controls and gameplay inmediately. The only thing that is better to me, and I mean the only, is free direction rolling, but that's in Bloodborne too and with a roll that actually dodges hits without having to spend stat points on it.
Seriously, I don't know how long it's been since you played the first Dark Souls but if you can, I recommend you to start a new game and play it up to the Undead Burg and fight a few undead guys with some different weapons. Then start Dark Souls 2, go to the Forest of the Fallen Giants and fight some undead guys with the weapons you used in Dark Souls. I find it extremely hard to believe that someone can prefer DS2 combat after doing this, but hey to each their own.
In fact, the new combat and encounters approach is my biggest issue with the game by far. I wouldn't have cared that much about the lower quality level design or lack of a cohesive world if they kept the combat as good as it was, but with the atrocity they made I just don't care about build variety, PVP or whatever. When the game just isn't fun to play I just can't give a damn about the amount of content thrown in, why would I care about how many weapons there are when they all feel and play like shit except for the greatswords and maybe a couple more? Should I be excited to use a new build/weapon to get through the mandatory hordes of unstoppable packs of enemies with shitty AI waiting for me around every corner? No, not really, the opposite actually; during my playthrough I tried my best to avoid every possible fight. In a game based mainly on combat.
In contrast I've used every single weapon in Bloodborne and beaten dozens of chalice dungeons despite how repetitive and "not varied" that might appear to be. Why? Because the core mechanics are superb. The same applies to Demons and Dark Souls but sadly not to Dark Souls 2. It's the only game in the series where dying and running up to the boss has been always an absolute, insufferable chore. Every single time. That's how bad the combat is. Good thing the bosses are so easy that dying to them isn't too common.
LegalEagleMike
Member
pretty sure I had just finished Dragon Shrine and started whatever was after that.
roadrunn3r
Member
You didn't like the music, that's it. The sound quality is far less important than the music itself. Would you prefer some mediocre music played by a real orchestra or a very good one totally sample produced?
Just started Dark Souls 2 Sins, just beat Iron Keep my god that boss was super simple and he was a "super boss", the hidden/mini boss before him was harder. Anyway, nothing has killed me more in this game than the camera its the biggest POS I have ever had to deal with, games still fun though.
FF Seraphim
Member
I am replaying DS2 after beating DS1 again and by the ruinous powers the combat is bad compared to it. It is not as tight in controls. Now the game is still fun but it is the worse in the Soul series.
brandonh83
Banned
I wasn't feeling it at first but it grew on me. It's definitely the most soulless uh... Souls game, but I think the gameplay is still just excellent and I like the environments/atmosphere even if they're not as inspired as the ones in the others. Basically the worst Souls game but in a series this good, worst doesn't necessarily equate to bad, and I'm certainly enjoying it overall as much as I expect from one of these.
The camera is not great by any means but you must be doing something wrong, it's definitely not that bad.
You want a game with a terrible camera, try MGR: Revengeance haha
My friend kept telling me it would get better, and then it ended.
It didn't get better.
brandonh83
Banned
Heh, I'm about halfway through, so I can't vouch for the entire game yet. What I can say is that for me I'm still getting the same giddy feeling playing this one as I have the others so far.
Funny i just finish the Ps4 version of the game, never finish it when release on ps3... It was ok... i guess. After bloodborne it's hard to say that it's very good. the uninspired boss design really show, and the exploration was not as fun as other game in the series.
But it's still a pretty good game overall, my build was little OP at the end, i was destroying every boss at first try, which surprise me because i was getting destroy at mid game. I don't know if i'll touch the DLC, i heard the difficulty was insane... we'll see...
But it's still a pretty good game overall, my build was little OP at the end, i was destroying every boss at first try, which surprise me because i was getting destroy at mid game. I don't know if i'll touch the DLC, i heard the difficulty was insane... we'll see...
I think that might be it for me. Everything from the backstabs to the attacks to the rolls feel unresponsive compared to DeS/DaS/BB.
The DLC are harder than the main game but they are not insanely difficult either. They are designed for an end-game character and the difficulty is balanced as such. It's got some amazing bosses so it's well worth it imho.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah not having any issues with the controls or response at all? Feels fine to me. Playing on PS4.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I think it's bad because it irritated me to the point where I stopped playing. Maybe some people can tolerate enemies that spin on platters and "hit" you with a spear when they clearly missed, but it just annoyed me to the point where I just didn't care to play it anymore. I played the scholars edition and found the number of enemies in the earlier areas obnoxious, which also made me not want to play it.
One thing that I really didn't like was how you lost a chunk of your total health every time you died. I think that is a bad mechanic in a game that is supposed to encourage you to die and learn from mistakes. Seeing my bar getting smaller and smaller really made me frustrated when I died. In Demon's Souls you are in soul form when you die and get half your health, but I was in soul form with a cling ring on during most of the game and didn't mind it cause I got used to it and Every time I died it didn't effect my health
I also feel like the second half of the original dark souls lost a lot of its focus and the game wasn't as enjoyable for me.
Where does it say that? The game doesn't encourage you to die. If anything, not dying has always been encouraged since Demon's Souls.
This too.
Seems a little unfair to not include demons souls because of that ring when ds2 has the exact same ring very early as well though.
There's nothing wrong with it. Being able to roll in any direction while locked on is a godsend, as well as aiming your strikes.
Yup, frankly going back to ds1 is a massive pain as a result.
roadrunn3r
Member
Bow controls are also way better than in DaS1/DeS.
Ha and jump on L3 is great. You almost never need to jump in those games anyway so I like being able to roll while sprinting without risking a jump by accident.
brandonh83
Banned
Have 37,000 souls atm are there any expensive items I should know about that I could knock out while I'm sorta loaded?
Titanite shards for upgrades?
Boss weapon/spell trades, or upgrading the admirer by buying stuff, as his stock increases the more you spend.
Eventually he starts selling boss armour which i find is nice.
DaciaJC
Gold Member
And yet you can't really aim roll attacks as well as you could in DeS/DaS.
brandonh83
Banned
I've expended most from the merchants I know that sell them, but not bad advice still.
I'm not sure what the Admirer is yet
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I just poison/cheese them.
He already did, that's the worst part. Baffles me why he can't just stay there.
Brightbugs! Melentia sells 'em. They're amazing, and they increase in prices whether or not you buy them right away, so make sure to grab them early.
I've expended most from the merchants I know that sell them, but not bad advice still.
I'm not sure what the Admirer is yet
Gah on phone sorry XD armour salesman
I agree. I frequently go back and forth through them since my nephew is going through them as well. He's playing them in a different order, so I'm readjusting constantly. I consider DS2 objectively superior in control, it's not even a debate to me.
That's very true. Simple changes that make it overall more playable.
brandonh83
Banned
Gah on phone sorry XD armour salesman
Ohhh haha
Sword Of Doom
Member
You take my comment out of context when you only highlight that part and not the rest of the sentence
I just googled about a Cling Ring in dark souls 2 and how it stops your health going down at 80%. I didn't get far enough into the game to find that ring but if I had found it I would definitely have used it cause like I said earlier I don't like the way that mechanic is implemented in Dark Souls 2. I think losing my
Souls and my progression when I die is enough of a penalty for me. I felt like the gradual depletion of my health was sort of unnecessary.
I really don't want to argue with people because like I said earlier I didn't play the entire game. All I can do is explain why I quit.
I actually want to play it again, but this time I will play the vanilla version on PC. I want to play the game without the additional enemies and their increased aggro
Is it possible that you were missing because you had a reliance on the limited ds1 roll? So that when they gave you completely free rolls you had to be pretty precise with your stick?
(No insult intended, just curious as to what you meant)
roadrunn3r
Member
Yea it's totally unacceptable that some people may like DS2, must shit on the game till no one even thinks of making a positive thread about it. How dare they!
brandonh83
Banned
They sound good from what I've read, but not super necessary. I mean rare, costly things like equipment or whatnot, like those items you see early in the game and you're like damn won't be able to get that for a while-- but stuff that is actually worth it.
I've started a new playthrough of DS1 after finishing a playthrough on SOTFS. The opinions remains. After 200 hours of DS1, 50 of DS2 vanilla and 200 of SOTFS, the opinion remains. The controls are better, hands down. Things like the roll, the bow and crossbow aiming, correcting the direction of your attack, better dual wielding with the great power stances that can radically expand movesets, being able to two hand your left Hand weapon, among other improvements.
Yup for me it's not even close anymore, the improvements are just so significant in helping increase your finesse.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
It's up to you really. But the thing with Brightbugs is that they're limited time, once you progress the price goes up (and the previously cheap ones cannot be bought) until it caps at 48k and then she runs out. So if you want to buy them all you have to start early, then she increases her price, you buy those too, and so on.
And while they're not super necessary, they are really, really good items, that can make some really nasty DLC bosses far more manageable. Assuming you are soloing everything, that is.
I would never try to solo [optional DLC boss]
Lud & Zallen
brandonh83
Banned
I'm soloing for the most part but where I'm trying to blaze through it and move onto a few more games before DS3 I'm not opposed to getting coop help
It's up to you really. But the thing with Brightbugs is that they're limited time, once you progress the price goes up (and the previously cheap ones cannot be bought) until it caps at 48k and then she runs out. So if you want to buy them all you have to start early, then she increases her price, you buy those too, and so on.
And while they're not super necessary, they are really, really good items, that can make some really nasty DLC bosses far more manageable. Assuming you are soloing everything, that is.
I would never try to solo [optional DLC boss]without using one, that's for sure.Lud & Zallen
What do brightbugs do? I never used one haha
Sanctuary
Member
Currently replaying it myself. The game definitely gets a lot of underserved bashing, but it really is the "worst" of the series so far. The gameplay is mostly still as good as the rest of the others aside from agility requirements and hitbox problems, but the game world feels too "gamey" compared to the previous two games. The quality control of the level design and aesthetics is all over the place too. Some areas do indeed look fantastic, while many feel uninspired and also make no sense placement wise. The bosses too, while good enough at times, aren't too terribly exciting or memorable aside from a few.
They increase your attack and defense.
They increase your attack and defense.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Hehe okay, fair enough.I'm soloing for the most part but where I'm trying to blaze through it and move onto a few more games before DS3 I'm not opposed to getting coop help
Double your damage dealt, and half your damage taken. Lasts about 2 minutes. A godsend for harder bosses.
Edit: it can't be used if phantoms or other players are present (like in PvP), only when soloing.
Claymore is my go-to weapon in Souls games. It's pretty good in DS2 and does a great job until I'm ready use a boss soul weapon.
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I should maybe look at consumables every once in a while, I only ever used Estus Flasks and healing gems.