I think we're due for a non-sequel 3D Mario on consoles.
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NX launching in March to make sure there are games to go along with it
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I think we're due for a non-sequel 3D Mario on consoles.
I'd like a brand new art style like World was at the time. The NSMB art has been in every game since 2006.
EatinOlives
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I mean sure, there won't be a "launch window" because all of the games from that "window" will come out at the same time, but they're still missing the key holiday season as a result. I really don't think it's worth it.
OmegaDL50
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Devs had to have devkits for quite some time. Even factoring the NX coming out a year from now.
I think it's reasonable to expect most interested parties for NX development had their kits for quite sometime, unless you think less than a year is enough time for some quality Nintendo stuff to be ready by launch?
point stands. If a few weeks could get shit done, then 4 months can do a lot too.
I know it has been said many times but Nintendo need to go the shared library route as they don't have the resources to support 2 systems. Nintendo software definitely sells hardware we seen it happen on numerous occasions. When 3DS had a bad start with a weak launch line up Nintendo saved it with a price drop and a ton of games. This led to a Wii U draught. What Nintendo needs to do for their next system is just release 1 hybrid console or a handheld and home console that share the same library with criss buy and use the same physical media.
With a shared library they could potentially have an amazing lineup. Imagine if 3DS and Wii U line up was combined. That's how it would look like.
With a shared library they could potentially have an amazing lineup. Imagine if 3DS and Wii U line up was combined. That's how it would look like.
AcademicSaucer
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Indeed, ports everywhere.
LoveCake
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How many people would go out and buy a NX at launch anyway?
I got my fingers truly burnt getting a 3DS and WiiU at launch, the chances of me getting a NX in it's first year are very slim indeed.
Nintendo must have started work on the NX not long after the WiiU hardware was finalised and first party games for it must have also been thought about, the engineers don't sit about for six years waiting for the next generation to come along, and what games are Nintendo talking about not being ready, these must all be first party games so they must have known months ago that they wouldn't be ready and/or there hasn't been a significant amount of support from third party's to support the NX maybe, hmm..
I cannot believe there is no NX software to be shown at E3, they have nothing else to show other than Zelda U which is going to be inferior to the NX version so what is the point in showing it really, if the games are not ready then why not show the console, something is not right here.
I got my fingers truly burnt getting a 3DS and WiiU at launch, the chances of me getting a NX in it's first year are very slim indeed.
Nintendo must have started work on the NX not long after the WiiU hardware was finalised and first party games for it must have also been thought about, the engineers don't sit about for six years waiting for the next generation to come along, and what games are Nintendo talking about not being ready, these must all be first party games so they must have known months ago that they wouldn't be ready and/or there hasn't been a significant amount of support from third party's to support the NX maybe, hmm..
I cannot believe there is no NX software to be shown at E3, they have nothing else to show other than Zelda U which is going to be inferior to the NX version so what is the point in showing it really, if the games are not ready then why not show the console, something is not right here.
i'm thinking they had problems with mario, and they also want to have splatoon, mario maker, and smash bros. in there. this focus on zelda has me thinking it'll be the flagship launch title, and mario will come out as a holiday thing, while ports fill the other months through june. pikmin 4 will be august 2017, and retro's thing will be october 2017. then they'll have other stuff filling the year aside from that.
RubberJohnny
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Great PR these guys have "Zelda still has problems after being delayed a year" and "we don't have much software yet", way to build hype for a new console.
Tavernacle12
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Don't a good number of games get postponed every year anyways to add polish/not compete with Call Of Duty? Depending on what gets ported it may not matter.
Speaking of which, what ports are people expecting? Other than Call of Duty, EA Sports, and toys to life games, the only big third party release I can think of for the fall is FFXV, and I guess Tomb Raider on PS4. The Wii U had new Batman, Darksiders, and Assassins Creed ports in addition to those.
OG_Original Gamer
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Would anyone accept a Nintendo console being released without at least two-three Nintendo first-party exclusives or second-party. With just a slew of third-party ports.
Milly Osworth
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I understand that, but Nintendo has 30+ years of experience by now..
Milly Osworth
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OmegaDL50
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I wouldn't mind for 3rd party ports to happen but the thing is for the folks who played said ports find this acceptable? That remains to be seen.
This sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
People want 3rd party support on Nintendo consoles but complain when said 3rd party releases are older ports that could be bought elsewhere earlier.
Said 3rd party ports don't even sell due to people already own them on other platforms.
3rd party support diminishes due to poor sales reception of ports in comparison with the success of said games that already exist on other platforms.
There is no win-win in this situation for either Nintendo or the 3rd parties. It becomes an unsustainable pattern that has little chance for anything but failure.
The only way this sort of cycle would break possibly is if these 3rd party games are new ones released simultaneously and not delayed months later when the interest wanes and no longer matters.
Version 3.0
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I disagree. With Nintendo, it's always the software. They're very slow.
Uhh. Instead we're back in a Wii in 2011 situation where nothing is coming out for a damn year which is just ridiculous and an excellent way to piss off your die-hard fans.
I'm almost certain that the NX will suffer the same damn post-launch software drought that the Wii, 3DS and Wii U had - and which thru time and time again promised wouldn't happen again. But let's hope that for once they managed to finally get a good launch window lineup.
I'm almost certain that the NX will suffer the same damn post-launch software drought that the Wii, 3DS and Wii U had - and which thru time and time again promised wouldn't happen again. But let's hope that for once they managed to finally get a good launch window lineup.
More of their "good and late is better than early and disappointing" philosophy i guess, whether that holds true or not in most cases.
I said in another thread that i think this whole thing is one big reaction to E3 2012, the broken "promises" from the E3 of the previous year, the games teased for launch window that never made it, were delayed or eliminated or quickly ported to rival consoles, the launch that ultimately fizzled, and so much of it leaked in the meantime. The only way skipping E3 fits into this is that they want to be damned sure of their release schedule, and the only way to do that is get as close as they can to the finish line before taking the tarp off.
I'll add that it's terrible optics, though, part of a long line of bad-optics decisions from the company across the last decade. The better thing would have been to announce at least a tighter timeline for the full announcement. "Sometime in Q3" would have been enough. "Not now, sometime later" is what they always say, and it always allows the Cassandras of the gamer world to go around painting the bleakest image possible.
I said in another thread that i think this whole thing is one big reaction to E3 2012, the broken "promises" from the E3 of the previous year, the games teased for launch window that never made it, were delayed or eliminated or quickly ported to rival consoles, the launch that ultimately fizzled, and so much of it leaked in the meantime. The only way skipping E3 fits into this is that they want to be damned sure of their release schedule, and the only way to do that is get as close as they can to the finish line before taking the tarp off.
I'll add that it's terrible optics, though, part of a long line of bad-optics decisions from the company across the last decade. The better thing would have been to announce at least a tighter timeline for the full announcement. "Sometime in Q3" would have been enough. "Not now, sometime later" is what they always say, and it always allows the Cassandras of the gamer world to go around painting the bleakest image possible.
The mere title of this thread is worrying me. So, does this mean that 3rd parties are not onboard? I dunno, but a launch in fall of 2016 with newest Fifa, COD, Deus Ex port, ... + one Nintendo game would've been a great launch line-up. No, I'm calling BS on this one. If the 3rd party situtation doesn't change, it's pretty easy to predict what NX's library will look like in 2019. Just take the number of Nintendo's first party studios. Some of them are working on games that will take them 4-5 years to finish (hello Zelda).
No shit. Obviously the system itself is locked down hard at this point and I can't imagine manufacturing lead-time as a problem in 2016.
The problem is having two systems flounder on the market, coming off a system with development struggles, and having issues getting software out the door for the holiday launch you all know they would've preferred. Its not a great sign.
The problem is having two systems flounder on the market, coming off a system with development struggles, and having issues getting software out the door for the holiday launch you all know they would've preferred. Its not a great sign.
Hip Hop
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And, why would it entice anyone to jump over to the NX when those 3rd party titles would be out 3-4 months before launch on the competitor consoles? During the holidays, people are making choices as to what console to get. It would be too late for NX.
Makes no sense to me as to what Nintendo is doing, might as well just try to launch next holiday season at this point.
imo they already fucked up the launch of the console. Even more so now that it will be a no-show at E3.
I wonder...was this purely Kimishima's call, or did Iwata actually intend to delay the NX to build a launch library?
Voysa Reezun
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I am thirsty for 3D Mario right now, so I hope they're working on that. I'm also all in on third-party stuff, but not if it's just enhanced versions of games that I already have played on PS4. I want new stuff. I want new stuff from Japan, specifically. Get Atlus to bring back Snowboard Kids, damn it. It's too bad that Treasure isn't really much of a thing anymore either. Give me some cool non-RPG shit from Japan, third parties!
IDGAF about droughts, either. I have a PS4 and a massive Vita backlog for droughts. I just want 3D Mario, Strikers, Pokemon Snap 2 maybe if that's not too much to ask, a new Mario Kart, etc.
IDGAF about droughts, either. I have a PS4 and a massive Vita backlog for droughts. I just want 3D Mario, Strikers, Pokemon Snap 2 maybe if that's not too much to ask, a new Mario Kart, etc.
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Deleted member 752119
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I think Nintendo has largely excepted that third party ports just aren't relevant to them. The big AAA companies have little interest in supporting Nintendo, and a lot of Nintendo owners have no interest in the shooters, sports sims etc. they focus on and a lot of others prefer playing those on the other consoles they own where their friends are playing online etc.
To me the whole rumored unified platform is them trying to find away to put out enough first party games to make their hardware more compelling to more people vs. having to support completely separate portable and console platforms. The NX may also have some gimmick they hope will entice some third parties to make exclusives for--like with the Wii and it's motion controls.
But ports of games like CoD, Madden, Fifa etc.? I just don't think their are many Nintendo only gamers who really care about those games. They're Nintendo only as they don't like those games (or they wouldn't be Nintendo only as Nintendo hasn't gotten many ports of those flagship AAA games for a long time now). So you just have a small market of people who want to just have a Nintendo console and play some of those games--and that's probably not enough to warrant the effort of third parties to port those games.
Exactly, today I've posted so much pessimistic stuff in the various NX threads, it makes me look like the biggest Nintendo hater on Gaf, but I'm just puzzled by this amount of stupidity. It's already shaping up to be the next WiiU. Every armchair CEO on Gaf is able to exactly tell you where and why Nintendo messed up with the WiiU and here we are - they're doing the same bs again. Atm we are still trying to figure out what NX will be - just wait - in 2018 the general public still won't understand what NX is.
Yep, launch holiday 2017 makes much more sense right now.
forknknife
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That's all good, of course games need to be amazing at launch but... no E3 reveal?? Is the NX just not ready either as a concept either? Don't you have already some games or demos to show off what the system will be and let people know that they should perhaps hold on to their wallets this holiday season because something awesome is coming in March??
Seriously, I'm really worried for Nintendo, they're going to fuck this up.
My take on the situation is that Nintendo is not confident in their own concept and has just gone back to probably reconsider a bit their ideas (hopefully making it higher spec)
Seriously, I'm really worried for Nintendo, they're going to fuck this up.
My take on the situation is that Nintendo is not confident in their own concept and has just gone back to probably reconsider a bit their ideas (hopefully making it higher spec)
OrbitalBeard
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If the games aren't ready, you really have to wonder what most of their teams have been doing since early 2014. Not showing any of them at E3 is really concerning.
TheDarkKnight774
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Exactly. March date isn't what's troubling. You're telling me you can't show what the console is or ANY of the games are in June? But can a couple months later?
Give people a reason for waiting!
PetulantChild
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Good. The X1, WiiU, and PS4 launches were all terrible.
Azure Dream
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They don't want consumers to hold off their purchases until next year, so they'll pick up a Wii U and all the new titles later this year, like...
Uh...
They'll recycle something like Super Mario 3D World's engine and assets (again) and announce it as a video-only surprise for the holidays, "Nintendo saved!"
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Deleted member 752119
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That's my take and worry as well. I don't see why they couldn't show the hardware, controllers, explain the NX concept and how it all works etc. even if they could only show snippets of games.
Makes me worry that they lost confidence in some part of their approach and are going back to the drawing board in some small way (as March isn't far enough away for huge changes). Still better to do that than rush it out of course, but I worry the final product will be underwhelming since the Wii U has been a clear failed system for 3+ years and they apparently still don't have something they're confident in revealing in terms of a successor.
JinjoUnchained
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So they're basically done with E3, right? If they really are bringing the games for March launch, but not discussing NX this E3, then these games will have to be announced piecemeal in the second half of 2016. So, say Pikmin 4, will never be discussed or playable at any E3!
And good for them, they shouldn't schedule their business or releases around an obsolete trade show.
And good for them, they shouldn't schedule their business or releases around an obsolete trade show.
Yes, I'm 100% with you, but let's elaborate on this one.
1. 3rd party games are the driving force behind the console business right now. Fact!
Yes, Sony got away 2 holidays without releasing 1st party exclusive games and is still increasing the gap. GTA, COD, FIFA, Madden, Destiny and so on are the true stars of console gaming - not Halo, Bloodborne, Uncharted, Gears. These are the facts supported by software sales numbers. So, if Nintendo thinks that 3rd party games are not important for them as a hardware plattform holder, they really should consider dropping the plattform altogether, they're simply incompetent at what they're doing, because they neglect the facts. A doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, a physician who simply denies recent advancements and facts in his field of science will most likely go out of business. Period.
2. A holiday 2016 launch could have worked greatly as a one time opportunity for improving 3rd party relationships. I often hear that one reason for the bad 3rd party relationship is that Nintendo owner's tend to buy Nintendo games and not 3rd party games. If Nintendo came up with a concept, a strict release schedule where major 3rd party games don't collide with 1st party releases, we would be able to say if this was true or not. This is at least a viable idea to reboot 3rd party relations. They have to start somewhere but doing the same shit over and over again is just pathetic.
BTW, I think some of us have way too high expectations regarding Nintendo's status/position in the console business, which may come from distorted perception of time. Nintendo has dominated the console market for 10 years while Sony has been dominating the console market for almost 20 years now. Talking about Nintendo's former glory is like talking about a sports club who has dominated the competition in the 1960s and winning a championship in recent time.
Lol come on man. Those were never going to hit the NX.
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Deleted member 752119
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I agree. I think Nintendo will fail to establish relevance in the home console market again, especially with third parties and the core gamer CoD/Madden/GTA/AssCreed crowd that dominates that arena.
They also may not care much if they truly plan to have a console, a portable and whatever else (maybe a PSNOW type streaming app option for those who have good internet and don't want to buy hardware) that share the same games. Then they just have to sell all hardware for a profit day one and focus on making great games that can sell to everyone regardless of what they're playing Nintendo games on.
More broadly, I just don't think there's room for 3 consoles in the mainstream market. Last gen was a fluke as the Wii U was so different and brought in so many casuals and non-gamers. Otherwise there's mostly been one or two successful consoles and a few also rans in past generations from the 8bit era on.
8bit: NES dominated. Master system was irrelevant.
16bit: SNES and Gensis both did well, others like T16 failed
PS1 Dominated, N64 did ok, Saturn failed abysmally
PS2 dominated, Gamecube and Xbox battled for a distant second place, Dreamcast bombed
So I think Nintendo is right to go after an NX platform that can get all their games to people a variety of ways, with a console just being one of the options.
That was a boss fight from Twilight Princess, redone with modern (for the time) rendering techniques.
OmegaDL50
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If Dragon Quest XI has a chance of releasing on the NX why wouldn't FFXV or Persona 5.
If it was a Western studio, I may have agreed with this statement but it's not like Nintendo's relationship with fellow Japanese companies like Square or Atlus is in bad situation.
Even if most of SE and Atlus's support is mainly on the 3DS, it doesn't exclude the possibility of console support if the NX is capable of running those games.
Elfforkusu
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I don't really buy it?
Hardware delays are usually because of hardware.
Hardware delays are usually because of hardware.
Melchiah
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Ah, never mind then.
digoutyoursoul
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Unless they have a better relationship with third parties then we will likely see software droughts like the Wii U had, if that's the case, same mistakes as last time. I hope the third party situation is a lot better this time around
The Japanese & indies will probably be there, not so much the western third parties (their target audience left Nintendo a long time ago). And if there's a majority of games shared between the console & handheld, droughts won't be anywhere near as bad as before.
rokkerkory
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Wow they are serious! Good stuff
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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wow dude, i was so busy today that i couldnt check gaf until i got home. lots of fucking megatons happened today huh?
No that's not a good reason. Such a shit reason. Nintendo is incompetent. They should just go 3rd party.
There is your keyword.
Is Nintendo doing anything usual here?
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There is your keyword.
Is Nintendo doing anything usual here?
Waiting for someone to say "Nintendo fucking up is usual for them, so yeah." -_-