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WhereAreMahDragonz

Banned
My problem with toma is that I'm his only scum read. Which is fine, I mean you're entitled to your opinion, but it just seems odd that out of all the other potentially scummy posts, mine is the only one he picked up on? QJust seems like kind of a tunneling thing with no real justification.


As far as splinters plan, something about it is making me wary. Maybe I'm just still sleepy and over thinking things. I'm gonna revisit it after I stop and get some nuggets.
 
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timetokill

Banned
WhereAreMahDragonz said:
Barbecue. Actually I'm feeling like kind of a fat ass and maybe I want a Big Mac? Idk. They have a deal where you can get a sandwich AND nuggets but idk if I'm prepared for that.
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Ugh, barbecue... Honey mustard is the best.

10 Nuggets and a Big Mac for $5 right? The problem is you feel like a sucker getting the Big Mac or 10 nuggets by itself because it's like $4 for one of them.
 
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Catvoca

Banned
I meant to post this earlier before all splinters stuff, but I went through AbsolutBro's posts after someone was saying (Dusk I think) they're flying under the rader and boy there's a whole lot of nothing. I counted 10 posts. 1 was his initial noob tips post which garnered some attention, he had 3 clarifying or defending this and then the rest are mostly jokes or light attempts at participating like saying "where's crab?" and that sort of thing. He's really not given this thread much.

I feel like Mattyg's also been lost in this discussion of less active/fluffy players, Ouro posted a big thing ages ago showing how little he'd contributed. and since then he's only popped his head in once or twice without much to say. Man, there's too many players like this to know who to vote for.
Inb4 Splinter replies toma

batsnacks said:
I don't know if I believe that you believe this as town, it still feels like you could have been looking too hard for a reason to suspect him. I appreciate the serious response though.

Hyperactivity's activity drop off is making me think more about him though so hmm. I don't know off the top of my head who hyper's scum reads are. The hypothetical town-leader-active-contributor hyperactivity should be pushing his scum reads more.
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I also think it's weird multiple people have called him out on his activity slowing down and even though he's posted in the thread since then he's never commentated on it. You'd think he'd knowledge it and explain himself or offer up an excuse but there's been nothing.
 
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batsnacks

Member
03 [m] tomakasatnav
06 [m] euphemism
10 [f] StackpoleH
12 [m] TheExodu5
13 [m] MattyG
17 [m] AbsolutBro

I can give at least 1 reason not to vote the others. List is still too big, less than a day left and it's the weekend.
 
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batsnacks

Member
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SalvaPot

Member
I fucking love hotdogs.

Also I do have a real list of scums, 3 users actually, but I'll post my reasons later on, I can't right now, I am MAD busy.
 
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TheExodu5

Banned
*Splinter said:
No-lynchers
There are advantages to not lynching, sure. Maybe it's even the "right" move in certain situations. But when you decided to take that position and check out of the game so early, you fucked our chances to make today productive. With so many of you willing to say "fuck it", you created a safe space for a Mafia or 2 to get a free day 1 pass.
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How so? I think people's response to some of us claiming no lynch is valuable information.
 
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Barrylocke

Member
Japan hotdog octopi is like the textbook definition of style over taste with food. Just put onigiri in my bento box, please.

I'll take a New York until I have the time to actually look at the others properly and with less post drinking hunger.
 
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Barrylocke

Member
You know what, I'm willing to look into the nonnon no-lynchers and see who strikes a cord with me there too. Maybe decide betwen one of them and Exodu5. A vote count would be great at this stage though. Winky face.
 
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SalvaPot

Member
I'll let you guys know that tomorrow morning I'll be working at Ensenada, so I won't be able to post much, so with that in mind I know I am going to be lynched before I can defend myself, as usual xD.

So, here is what's been bothering me from the people I listed above.

First, MattyG. My problem is not with his early shitposts, because honestly those are 100% meaningless and anyone who wants to cling on them to vote him is scummy in my opinio, no, I am suspicious of him with the fact that he made a quick comment here:

MattyG said:
What did you tell them it was?
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And then completely evaporated, but only one player called him out:

Kyanrute said:
MattyG, could we get something out of you? You've been rather silent and the last 24h or so have not really changed that either.
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Yes, before this and after there was a lot of conversation about him, but it seems pretty pointless and redundant. Here he was, a clear few hours where anyone could have questioned him more, and nothing happened. Better targets, I think.

That put hims in the top of my scum list.

Now, crab.

He says he is going to post more on Saturday, and I believe him BUT.

But.

Why make an effort to post a reminder himself? To be nice? Sure, BUT WHAT if he is trying to do it as goodwill, to be "Hey guys don't get excited about me yet, aight boys? Okcool, off I go to PoliGAF, see you in a wiffy". This seems very weird to me after the mods got into the trouble of confirming it and players already decided to give him a pass. JUDGEMENT.

SCRAB. SCUM.

Yep.

Anyway, Ourobouloosus

He is acting weird to me, I think he is too selfaware about his previous victory and its trying to seem distant yet committed to the game. But here was my tell.

Ourobolus said:
i love you too

eh, toma might be a safe lynch

not entirely sold on him over retroid or timetokill, but still
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No.

Ouro, no, you don't play like this.

You are a mole, a tunneler, a fuck you my word is THELAW. You are acting too soft because you are a squishy pumpking of lies.

So that is my 3 top scums. I am not 100% convinced on any of them, of course, but those are the 3 I am going to pay close attention to when I am back.

Oh, and Kyanrute, Hyper, Toma and *splinter are my top town so far, in that order, but don't let it get to your pretty heads.

And I am a Hug-Happy Drunk, every night I hug a player and leave it all sweaty, the hedor stays on them so if they make a night action that doesn't kill, the player who received the action will get the message "Someone stank you up last night" for the next night.
 
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WhereAreMahDragonz

Banned
Salva, if you are claiming a PR, can you elaborate? Do you know what it means by "stinking someone up"? Are you saying this is a roleblock move, or just informing that player that they were targeted?

I'm going to be honest, I don't think what you're claiming makes a whole lot of sense, but I'd like to hear more from you, just to clarify.
 
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SalvaPot

Member
WhereAreMahDragonz said:
Salva, if you are claiming a PR, can you elaborate? Do you know what it means by "stinking someone up"? Are you saying this is a roleblock move, or just informing that player that they were targeted?

I'm going to be honest, I don't think what you're claiming makes a whole lot of sense, but I'd like to hear more from you, just to clarify.
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It just makes people aware that they were visited, they'll have no clue what kind of role just affected them in case it doesn't alert them by itself.

That is only if I am saying the truth tho, but I am not.
 
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cabot

Member
Barrylocke said:
You know what, I'm willing to look into the nonnon no-lynchers and see who strikes a cord with me there too. Maybe decide betwen one of them and Exodu5. A vote count would be great at this stage though. Winky face.
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Sorry, I've spent all morning trying to work around your horrific voting errors.
 
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cabot

Member
VOTE TALLY YOU LOSERS:

wherearemahdragonz (2)
hyperactivity 205 (335)
barrylocke 383 (779)
catvoca 655 (703)
timetokill 656
tomakasatnav 910 (913)
tomakasatnav 913

mattyg (0)
batsnacks 222 (626)
ourobolus 245 (300)
ourobolus 624 (714)

hyperactivity (2)
kingkitty 224 (474)
dusk soldier 253 (641)
a human becoming 264
timeaisis 459 (678)
wherearemahdragonz 693

batsnacks (0)
ourobolus 300 (417)
ourobolus 433 (490)

ourobolus (1)
salvapot 327 (857)
hyperactivity 335 (360)
mattyg 644

crab (0)
hyperactivity 360 (614)

stackpoleh (0)
ourobolus 417 (433)
timetokill 472 (656)

dusk soldier (3)
kingkitty 474
stackpoleh 557 (923)
batsnacks 733
timeaisis 869

timeaisis (1)
ourobolus 490 (624)
dusk soldier 641

theexodu5 (1)
barrylocke 377 (383)
batsnacks 626 (682)
timeaisis 692 (869)
barrylocke 813 (815)
barrylocke 815

salvapot (1)
*splinter 650 (835)
euphemism 654

kyanrute (1)
nin1000 653

euphemism (0)
batsnacks 682 (733)

catvoca (0)
ourobolus 714 (716)

timetokill (0)
ourobolus 716 (864)

no lynch (3)
theexodu5 828
salvapot 857
retroid 858

tomakasatnav (1)
*splinter 835

retroid (2)
ourobolus 864
kyanrute 877
 
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Hyperactivity

Banned
Currently deciding on who my top scum is

So maybe I have scum reads in like 2 hours.

But based on my gut, I'm not feeling Retroid. Dusk I'm not feeling. Wherearemahdragonz I'm going to have to check.

I'll be voting against the no lynch.

Basically, in order, for the 4 leading votes

No lynch < Retroid < Dusk Soldier < Wherearemahdragonz < ? < ? < ? (to indicate that I'm nowhere close to sure on WAMD)
 
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tomakasatnav

Member
Barrylocke said:
You forgot to examine TheExodu5. He also answered the HyperCall.
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Ah yeah sorry. Duh since that answer was what started your voting for him!

His no lynch stance at the moment just feels like a setup for a "I told you so" if we lynch a town.

Could at least give a read of some players to add something to the discussion.

I could swap over vote, since the vote for him isn't that he's not active/replying (I normally like the rules to handle mia players rather than the players), but when he does reply, he's just talking about not wanting to vote on day 1 and very broad brush strokes on who's who.
 
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Clefargle

Member
Ok, trying to be more active. I want to lay out the case for why I'm not scum. I should be posting more, maybe I could engage myself more. But I've been busy and maybe I was distracted by all the PoliGAF stuff and maybe Ive been drinking too much. But I bet I would be more engaged trying to make myself blend in earlier if I had been scum. But no, I'm town aligned as usual and I'm resigned to see this game through and participate more. I don't know whether or not to early lynch but I will be following up on this with another look at the last few pages after I wake up and see if my vote stands. I hate early lynching but this game needs to get off to a good start and move along briskly.
 
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Hyperactivity

Banned
Eh, it's two hours, might as well give you guys a status report:

Went through Retroid, Kingkitty, nin1000, and most of WAMD's posts

Retroid, leaning town on, but close to null on. He's consistent with my feeling on him from previous games, not willing to lynch

Kingkitty, surprising safe. Mostly null, but slightly leaning towards scummy. Not much to really talk about, even though he contributes

nin1000, null read here. I think going through kyanrute's posts, the main thing to look at here, might give me a better idea, but this will probably stay a null read

WAMD, despite high number of posts, a surprising amount are fluffy. Still about 20+ good posts though. Again, VERY safe, main thing to see here is focus on me. Already had a vibe that she wasn't entirely truthful when reacting to me. That only made me lean scum (and due to bad vibes only tbh) on her.

She has an interaction with timetokill though that does make me suspicious, so I'm going to finish going through her posts, and then go through his, but I'm thinking there might be a scum team with both of them on it

VOTE: timetokill
 
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Hyperactivity

Banned
ok, timetokill is definitely on the lower end of activity, but he has posted a surprising amount. I was expecting very little, but he's not much lower than say, Kingkitty, and has more than say, nin1000
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
My observations to the end of page 14; more coming later:

Hyperactivity: I'm not a fan of post #206. It's largely redundant information that I think any reasonable new player can figure out through common sense; there's little point in repeating it and certainly not in so much detail other than to establish town credentials. Real town just post “don't claim D1 plz thx” and leave it at that. Don't really like #332 either; appealing to past games is never an actual defense because people can (and do) play inconsistently between games; nor do I like #333. Town doesn't plan, scum plans. If town start planning, you can't tell the difference between town and scum.

MattyG: I agree with batsnacks in #222 that MattyG's #221 is slightly off.

Batsnacks: Good intuitions in #222

AbsolutBro: Not a fan of #223 for the same reason I wasn't a fan of Hyperactivity's #206. Happens again in #436.

kingkitty: Good intuitions in #224. However, terrible intuitions in #483, so obviously scum.

*Splinter: I don't like #240. Hyperactivity's questions aren't really useful. I mean, 1. is useful insofar as it saves me time having to check your game history, but 2., 3., and 4. aren't; most people can't accurately describe their playstyle as town because you don't really consciously plan as town, you just play; you don't self-scrutinize to the degree you do as scum and so don't really observe how you play as much. Going after people for giving blunt answers to meh questions doesn't help anyone. I do agree with his #622 observation, though, so that gets him some credit back.

DuskSoldier: #253 seems really manufactured. There's not really enough material in this day to get this aggressive. Pointing out scumpairs D1 is obviously a fool's game, but seeing as now Fools are GAFia standard (shame on ye all), I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was just the early traces of a false argument.

Timeaisis: #459 had all the same reads I did by this point, so he's either coming at this from a town perspective or a really good scum.

At this point, I realized WhereAreMahDragonz had managed to make, like, a tonne of posts without any of them really catching my attention. That's a relatively impressive skill and has reminded me to observe more carefully what WAMD does throughout the rest of the game.

Retroid: Is probably not scum through #515; GAFia is established enough that arguing for D1 NL is Sisyphean tasks that only causes you to lose respect and persuasive capital; scum know that or will get told that by other scum.

Timetokill: is a bit all over the place, but I think in a good way, at least tentatively. I don't think many of his reads are right, necessarily, but I can see where they come from and they come from town places.
 
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Hyperactivity

Banned
WhereAreMahDragonz said:
timetokill said:
Interesting read, Catvoca. Whereas you see it as a safe play, it looks to me like a dangerous one, because she's pretty much making enemies left and right, not to mention getting noticed for bandwagoning. On the other hand, if your instinct is correct that she's bandwagoning and she's NOT scum, I have to think that she could be a danger to the town because scum could manipulate her into voting for a certain person. Thinking further than THAT though, she could be useful if we analyze who is starting the bandwagons as possible scum trying to lure her.

Uh, I think I'm sufficiently paranoid?

Vote: WhereAreMahDragonz
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Ironic, that this post calls me out for bandwagoning, and yet, that's exactly what kill here is doing. Just feels like he's trying to throw a weak vote down on someone, just to appear helpful. Have you contributed anything else of note to the discussion? Or are you just going to hope this weak excuse sticks?

I also think it's interesting that I have yet to appear on your radar, according to your posts, and yet, you vote for me. Hm. In fact the only other time you talk about me is to suggest Stackpole as a target?

Actually, you've only posted three times in this thread? I know that's not really an indication of scum, but I just think it's funny that you do nothing to contribute and then throw a bandwagon vote down.
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timetokill said:
Oh, Catvoca. Very disappointing and suspicious activity. To vote someone and then pull it immediately after a rant like Dragonz just posted, after you made such a good case.



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Dragonz, the whole reason I didn't mention you sooner is because I didn't want to bandwagon you and do scum's work for them. But honestly you've been kind of suspicious and after Catvoca made that case, I figured it was time to throw down a vote.

I'm not sure how it'd be considered a weak vote. When I voted Stackpole I gave my reasons, just as I did for you. It wasn't an idle threat, and as such you're keeping my vote until somebody else gains more suspicion from me, like maybe Catvoca who folded his vote like a cheap lawn chair in a summer breeze.
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This was the interaction I was talking about.

In my opinion on what posts are throwaway and which ones aren't, this was timetokill's 5th major post (of 10), and probably his 2nd biggest contribution (his 7th with the simpson pic being the biggest one), and WAMD's 18th (of 21).

I would agree with WAMD here, his original post was super bandwagony.
Main thing I had noticed here when going through WAMD's posts was that

A. She didn't vote for him
B. She seemed really defensive over this vote.

When I made the post about the connection of them both possibly being scum, I was thinking timetokill had basically made that his first post, and thought of it as much scummier for some reason, therefore seeing WAMD not voting for him as possibly a case of them bussing one another.

Now, after going trough time's posts, I'm not too sure anymore. The not voting for him thing still sticks out, as I would say that is something worth voting for, but she was also after me at that point.

Main thing that I noticed is she didn't stop at pointing out the vote was bandwagonny, but pointed out his activity level, which seems counter-intuitive, as

A. He had done more than most
B. Idk, it seemed more of an attack on him, that doesn't necessarily help us in determining whether he was scum or town. More of an excuse to dismiss

On to timetokill's response. His "you were on my mind" thing screams bullshit, but the main thing that I noticed there was that he kept to his vote, and called out Catvoca for switching it. That's the only thing that makes me think he might have been serious about his vote.

UNVOTE

Conclusion: I don't really know. I'm going to ask timetokill some question, to get a better idea of my position on him. WAMD, is back to scummy vibes, not much more yet, owing to her mostly safe votes.


So, questions I was going to ask timetokill mainly have to do with him not really bringing up certain topics since he initially was posting about them.

1. How do you feel about me?
2. How do you feel about stackpole?
3. Read on Catvoca?
4. Current read on WAMD?
5. I know you mentioned a null read on Retroid, but as to the other no lynchers, how do you feel? Was your conversation with Batsnacks related to your scum/town reads on them?
 
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