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[Reizo Ryuu]

I was gonna try piecing this pan shot together with bits from the top and bottom of the frame, but then I realized Kaioshin is on a different layer from the other three so as the camera moves up more of Goku is shown. There goes that idea.

it can still be done, but you'd have to rebuild in in the same way, meaning you'd have to isolate kaioshin first, then rebuild beerus and goku, and then have kaoishin on another layer and have him move from and to the same point as the original.

Probably too much work to be worth it.

 

[Devilgunman]

Just finished watching the episode. Well, that's pretty disappointing origin of Black. So he's basically a copy of Goku created by dragon balls?

 

[Crocodile]

My hunch is that they'll witness him killing Gowasu, then rewind time three minutes like in RoF and stop him.

That seems like the most predictable outcome. Next week should be interesting - lets see if that comes to pass.

Is it an inconsistency that Black and Zamasu showed up first in Trunk's timeline, where Goku was dead and therefore never visited Zamasu, no tournament between universe 6/7 probably ever happened and nobody would have really known about the super dragon balls?

Surely a Zamasu and Black would only theoretically show up in the 'good' future where the Z fighters survived the android era? Unless that future doesn't exist yet, but the bad future does exist because it's already going to have happened?

Am I overthinking it? Or was this already explained.

You aren't overthinking it, as it stands now there are a lot of plot holes or things that don't make sense. However there is still plenty of time for them to fill in the blanks and answers those sorts of questions. I hope they do!

 

[olympia]

Just finished watching the episode. Well, that's pretty disappointing origin of Black. So he's basically a copy of Goku created by dragon balls?

no. that was whis just suggesting the origin of black but even he concedes that it doesn't fully make sense. black's origin still hasn't been revealed.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Just finished watching the episode. Well, that's pretty disappointing origin of Black. So he's basically a copy of Goku created by dragon balls?

No, that was Whis's hypothesis.

Given how these things work, it's almost certainly going to be false.

 

[Dereck]

I was gonna try piecing this pan shot together with bits from the top and bottom of the frame, but then I realized Kaioshin is on a different layer from the other three so as the camera moves up more of Goku is shown. There goes that idea.

Supreme Kai was in the episode?

 

[erlim]

this is a god dream

this is everything.

 

[Cromat]

Black is obviously the Destruction God of Universe 10. That's why they mentioned that the Supreme Kai and God of Destruction are twin souls.

 

[Unknown One]

Nope but Goku was never this childish and dumb in Z,he went full-time retard instead of 50/50.

I would argue that he is more childish in DBS than he was in DB. That's how far Goku has regressed.

 

[TheRealTalker]

what is stopping Zamasu from having multiple timelines of him and Black

an army so to say

 

[ant1532]

I was gonna try piecing this pan shot together with bits from the top and bottom of the frame, but then I realized Kaioshin is on a different layer from the other three so as the camera moves up more of Goku is shown. There goes that idea.

it can still be done, but you'd have to rebuild in in the same way, meaning you'd have to isolate kaioshin first, then rebuild beerus and goku, and then have kaoishin on another layer and have him move from and to the same point as the original.

Probably too much work to be worth it.

im missing the signifier here as to how you can tell kaoishin is on a different layer. as someone less than a year of use with after effects, pls tell me

 

[wildfire]

Black is obviously the Destruction God of Universe 10. That's why they mentioned that the Supreme Kai and God of Destruction are twin souls.

Now I realize why I was confused with this idea. I forgot Zamausu isn't a Supreme Kai yet so he can't have a copy.

Something tells me killing the current Kai isn't what creates the god of destruction Black. Gaining immortality is the universe's way of putting Zamasu in check by having his fate tied to a mortal he technically despises.

 

[olympia]

im missing the signifier here as to how you can tell kaoishin is on a different layer. as someone less than a year of use with after effects, pls tell me

look at the space between the top of kaioshin's mohawk and the symbol on goku's gi. if it was just a single layer shot his hair wouldn't be moving down.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

im missing the signifier here as to how you can tell kaoishin is on a different layer. as someone less than a year of use with after effects, pls tell me

They are actually all 4 on different layers, but the movement for kaioshin is the biggest and would be most noticable if you tried to clean the image up.

 

[Hydrus]

Why not just wish to kill all mortals?

Why not just wish to bring

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in an evil SSJ4 Goku to help him?

The SDB can do anything! Also how are dragon balls the only things that can grant wishes? What happened to the Dragon god that made them? Why do other universes not have their own wish granting objects?

Hasnt it been said before in the series you cant wish to kill anyone?

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Hasnt it been said before in the series you cant wish to kill anyone?

The Super Dragon Balls are not supposed to have any limitations. Though they turn to stones like the other two sets do and I'd say that's a limitation so they're already breaking that rule.

 

[NeonZ]

Hasnt it been said before in the series you cant wish to kill anyone?

They tried to use the Dragonballs to kill Nappa and Vegeta. It couldn't be done because they're stronger than Kamisama (same with turning the androids into humans), not because wishes to kill someone are forbidden.

 

[The Silver]

The Super Dragon Balls are not supposed to have any limitations. Though they turn to stones like the other two sets do and I'd say that's a limitation so they're already breaking that rule.

there's no limitation for your wish, what the balls do before and after that is irrelevant.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

Probably it will but I'll ask anyway: Is Xenoverse 2 getting something for TGS?

 

[Skeeter49]

Probably it will but I'll ask anyway: Is Xenoverse 2 getting something for TGS?

Should be playable at TGS.

Sony should have it at their Keynote on the 13th as well, some trailer probably, since it's PS4 exclusive in Japan.

No matter what we really need info on the beta, it has to be revealed at TGS, we're getting too close to the games launch. So beyond it being playable, they should have a trailer up if it's not at Sony's keynote, I'd imagine TGS is their big push for Xenoverse 2, so I'd expect a good bit of news.

 

[Host Samurai]

Weird how Future Trunks and Kaioshin had no interaction. Shouldn't Kaioshin be like "WTF, another Trunks?"

He still never interacted with Goten & Buu

 

[ArchedThunder]

Probably it will but I'll ask anyway: Is Xenoverse 2 getting something for TGS?

New trailer, stage demo, live stream and playable on the show floor.

 

[Lunchbillion]

Weird how Future Trunks and Kaioshin had no interaction. Shouldn't Kaioshin be like "WTF, another Trunks?"

Ehh, all ningen look alike

 

[Blader]

Very well balanced episode. It was bound to be filledrbut it actually moved the plot along significantly. Zamasu's descent into evil is becoming more and more palpable. The future stuff with Mai is kind of irrelevant right now but the pretense of them possibly stopping Zamasu now and altering the future is quite interesting to think about.

Just to be clear, though, they'd only be altering their own future, right? They wouldn't be altering Trunks' future because his world lives on a separate timeline now?

 

[Skeeter49]

Beat Xenoverse a few days ago, even the secret mission, still doing the GT DLC, really liked the story it set up. One change I wish they had done with the alternate ending, if you beat Demigra in under 2 minutes before Goku shows up.

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I wish they did the Persona 3 ending, where in Persona 3 the Social links you maxed were the people who helped you in the final boss, instead of it being the general DBZ guys who helped you out, I would have liked if the people you mastered were the ones giving you energy..

 

[LordOfChaos]

Ehh, all ningen look alike

"Goku? Goku, stop shitting around and staring at me like that, it's time to move"

 

[HeroR]

#SpoilertagsMatter

Anyway, as a reminder of why Black is (probably) wearing the other potaro earring, we've seen Gowasu do the same thing when he temporarily made Zamasu Kaioshin by giving him his earring. The same must apply to Black, since otherwise he wouldn't be able to use the time ring. (already mentioned this in last week's speculation too)

I wonder what would happen if you ripped it off though. Like, assuming he's using a 'forward' function, would the person whose potaro is removed just *pop* back to where they started or be lost in time?

At this point I am ready to see Tea-lover (tm by Gowasu) drink shit and die though. Like, come on man, you're way too addicted to that stuff and the Godtube. You had one job.
Then again, I imagine the kaioshin life must be really fucking boring anyway. Now you know why Kami wanted Goku to take the job: sure he'd be incompetent as shit but at least you're not stuck on that lookout anymore. "Booyah motherfuckers, Kami is outta here". And then he got fused and died. Sucks.

Sheesh, he watched Godtube once and joked about being a Godtuber, not fans think that's all he does. Agree about the tea though. I'm surprised Zamasu didn't turn against him just for making him his tea servant.

This is the same person that immediately forgot when and where the androids were going to attack right after Trunks told him.
Do people seriously only remember the serious stuff Goku did in Z?

Like I said, the more vocal fans don't seem to remember Z or they just looked at the best parts using clips on Youtube.

 

[HeroR]

Having issues processing a ton of information isn't the same as being an hyperactive moron like he is in Super.

He forgot the date, time, and even the city where the androids show up. Out of all the information he got, they would be the most important parts.

 

[ant1532]

look at the space between the top of kaioshin's mohawk and the symbol on goku's gi. if it was just a single layer shot his hair wouldn't be moving down.

They are actually all 4 on different layers, but the movement for kaioshin is the biggest and would be most noticable if you tried to clean the image up.

ahh thank you appreciate it. I see goku's rip in his gi being revealed now.

 

[ElFly]

Felt like character regression and writer regression to me. Goku accepted his death at the end of the cell arc and passed the torch to his son who was perfectly capable of the task seeing as how his potential was higher and was stronger as well. Fast forward 7 years sure goku got that day but you knew throughout that arc he had to go back to being dead so still the weight of the world was still on gohan and to an extent goten and gotenks shoulders further being cemented by Vegeta dying as well.

imho the problem was more with the Cell arc itself than anything else

Goku (still alive) wanting to pass the torch and stepping down so Gohan could have his go at Cell was super out of character

None of that is childish. Him giving a senzu to Cell was more ignorance to Gohan's wishes and wanting the kids to carry the torch was a great character progression that Toriyama stupidly went back on.

well, by the time Gotenks is absorbed by Buu, Goku definitely has to realize that passing the torch was stupid, and that, loving to fight or not, he still had to save the day. the old kai even has to insist that he goes and does something about Buu, and Goku even acts surprised

imho it is way more out of character in the Cell saga, where Goku is still alive, than in Buu, where Goku has long since accepted he is dead, and wanting Goten and Trunks and Gohan to fight Buu makes a lot more sense

 

[Skeeter49]

I've just accepted the fact we won't get a long term serious Goku until End of Z. Just like we won't get serous Goten/ Gohan development until End of Z.

Really hoping after this arc we get the big jump.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

I've just accepted the fact we won't get a long term serious Goku until End of Z. Just like we won't get serous Goten/ Gohan development until End of Z.

Really hoping after this arc we get the big jump.

Why would you assume that? Why can't it just happen never?

 

[The Silver]

imho the problem was more with the Cell arc itself than anything else

Goku wanting to pass the torch and stepping down so Gohan could have his go at Cell was super out of character

He only did it because he knew he had no chance at beating Cell where as Gohan did. If Goku found some secret training method or whatever he would've beaten Cell himself.

 

[ElFly]

Is it an inconsistency that Black and Zamasu showed up first in Trunk's timeline, where Goku was dead and therefore never visited Zamasu, no tournament between universe 6/7 probably ever happened and nobody would have really known about the super dragon balls?

Surely a Zamasu and Black would only theoretically show up in the 'good' future where the Z fighters survived the android era? Unless that future doesn't exist yet, but the bad future does exist because it's already going to have happened?

Am I overthinking it? Or was this already explained.

you are thinking about how time travel works for the dirty ningen, aka how it worked for everyone in the Cell saga

the glorious gods have time rings, and can travel to other timelines, like the FT one

He only did it because he knew he had no chance at beating Cell where as Gohan did. If Goku found some secret training method or whatever he would've beaten Cell himself.

the secret method was achieving SSJ2, which he did in the other life anyway

Goku and Gohan even exit the ROSAT earlier...Goku could have trained a little more and got SSJ2 for himself and then defeat Cell

but for once Goku held himself back in training just to let his prodigy of a son shine

 

[Seven Force]

This arc has me hyped enough that I decided to channel the Toonami watching middle school kid in me and fart out some (admittedly rough) sketches.

Shading came out all sorts of terrible, but that's what I get for experimenting with charcoal. :V

 

[Astral Dog]

This arc has me hyped enough that I decided to channel the Toonami watching middle school kid in me and fart out some (admittedly rough) sketches.



Shading came out all sorts of terrible, but that's what I get for experimenting with charcoal. :V

first one has rough shading but second is pretty good.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

Just finished watching the episode. Well, that's pretty disappointing origin of Black. So he's basically a copy of Goku created by dragon balls?

Yeah. I was hoping it would have something to do with dead Goku being resurrected, perhaps touching on what caused his heart to grow weak.

Also...

Get on!

No! I'm not holdin' a gal's butt!

...is Yajirobe gay?

This arc has me hyped enough that I decided to channel the Toonami watching middle school kid in me and fart out some (admittedly rough) sketches.



Shading came out all sorts of terrible, but that's what I get for experimenting with charcoal. :V

Not bad!

 

[HeroR]

Yeah. I was hoping it would have something to do with dead Goku being resurrected, perhaps touching on what caused his heart to grow weak.

Also...





...is Yajirobe gay?



Not bad!

It was a theory Whis came up with for Black's origins, None of this is confirmed. Are some of you reading the subs or Herm's summary?

Also, Black grabbed his chest once, and it was after Goku kicked him in the chest. He has showed no signs of heart problems.

 

[The Silver]

you are thinking about how time travel works for the dirty ningen, aka how it worked for everyone in the Cell saga

the glorious gods have time rings, and can travel to other timelines, like the FT one



the secret method was achieving SSJ2, which he did in the other life anyway

Goku and Gohan even exit the ROSAT earlier...Goku could have trained a little more and got SSJ2 for himself and then defeat Cell

but for once Goku held himself back in training just to let his prodigy of a son shine

As you said they left earlier, why would he do that and not just continue training Gohan even more? Why not get Gohan to SSJ2?

He didn't know SSJ2 existed, as far he knew mastering SSJ1 was the most effective thing he could do and training anymore would give him(and Gohan) diminishing returns that wouldn't get him strong enough to beat Cell, best thing to do at that point is get Gohan ready.

We even see those diminishing returns when Vegeta goes in an extra year and has nothing to show for it. It comes up again in Super when Vegeta mentions they won't get much stronger in the time chamber even with 3 years of training.

Remember SSJ1 and 2 were obtained via freak accidents, SSJ3 is the only exception(well actually we have no idea how he got it) but seems only possible to reach in the afterlife(or if you're a fusion)

 

[Undead Fantasy]

New trailer, stage demo, live stream and playable on the show floor.

Well fuck. RE7 aside this is my most anticipated game.

 

[Valjean Lafitte]

It was a theory Whis came up with for Black's origins, None of this is confirmed. Are some of you reading the subs or Herm's summary?

Also, Black grabbed his chest once, and it was after Goku kicked him in the chest. He has showed no signs of heart problems.

Subs, though Herm's summaries are so detailed that I might just switch to reading them soon and wait for the dub to watch the rest of the arc.

Also, I completely forgot that Goku had already kicked him in the chest.

 

[olympia]

This arc has me hyped enough that I decided to channel the Toonami watching middle school kid in me and fart out some (admittedly rough) sketches.



Shading came out all sorts of terrible, but that's what I get for experimenting with charcoal. :V

awesome dude, keep it up. would love to see more

tbh this thread can use more fan art

here is a trunks i sketched in between portfolio work. just needed to get him out of my system really

it'd hard as hell to get loose while still adhering to the db style

here's some piccolo noodling too

wanna do more fan art when i'm done with my portfolio. i'm ignited af

 

[Icyflamez96]

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[olympia]

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is that you?

 

[Undead Fantasy]

i have a hard time choosing whether i liked 56 or 57 more

I think I like 56 a little more because of that cliffhanger.

 

[olympia]

I think I like 56 a little more because of that cliffhanger.

if you like goku black then 56 is a clear winner imo

 

[HeroR]

i have a hard time choosing whether i liked 56 or 57 more

I just put them together is one epic.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

if you like goku black then 56 is a clear winner imo

It's hard because 57 sold me on Zamasu! xD

I like both now.

 

[brinstar]

awesome dude, keep it up. would love to see more

tbh this thread can use more fan art

here is a trunks i sketched in between portfolio work. just needed to get him out of my system really

it'd hard as hell to get loose while still adhering to the db style

here's some piccolo noodling too

wanna do more fan art when i'm done with my portfolio. i'm ignited af

these are great!! I love Trunks' expression

 

[donkey show]

this is a god dream

this is everything.

Was listening to Ultralight Beam as I read these two just now. So good.