13 page thread on how to get your PS4 Pro to output both 4k and HDR, its two most advertised features. Wow.
I guess consoles really are becoming like PC.
The information i find on google contradict that though.
HU7100 and 7200 are mentioned to have 2.0
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1407840413
Edit: dont really care about HDR so much, i thoght 4:4:4 was something different?
The wider color setting is the 'Native' setting it seems. I guess that the 'auto' setting should enable it on HDR content and disable it on SDR because I read it can have a negative effect on SDR content. I also read, even on this forum, about a recent TV firmware bugfix around these 2 settings. Supposedly you had to use Native before and on the new firmware you have to use auto. I guess auto just didn't work properly before so you had to force Native on HDR content, but I didn't find the details about this yet.
@Byron
UEJS8500 (so not the US JS8500)
How are you determining the bit depth?
My receiver display bit depth in the video information.
So with PSVR connected, I am forced into HDCP 1.4. Will this create any issues for me running 4K content properly?
Direct connect without PSVR gets me HDCP 2.2, YUV420, no-HDR(2014 Sony xbr850B set). I just worry about HDCP 1.4 causing issues with other 4K stuff on my console, games, Netflix...
My receiver display bit depth in the video information.
And, most importantly, what AVR do you have, Dimmuxx?Nice, I had not thought to check there. I am assuming your receiver is HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0a compliant?
Any chance you want to post screenshots, this is really interesting.
Does on my Samsung JS9000 - which causes the banding, so unsure if its the TV or the PS4 Pro forcing 4:2:2 instead of 4:2:0 for HDR
And, most importantly, what AVR do you have, Dimmuxx?
The wider color setting is the 'Native' setting it seems. I guess that the 'auto' setting should enable it on HDR content and disable it on SDR because I read it can have a negative effect on SDR content. I also read, even on this forum, about a recent TV firmware bugfix around these 2 settings. Supposedly you had to use Native before and on the new firmware you have to use auto. I guess auto just didn't work properly before so you had to force Native on HDR content, but I didn't find the details about this yet.
@Byron
UEJS8500 (so not the US JS8500)
Is there specific game where it's easy to observe?
I've checked Infamous FL and Ratchet but neither have any banding with 2160p-RGB setting
But I'm using 2016 KS7000 so it's possible that 2015 models behave diffrently
422 is not required to be supported to be HDMI 2.0 compliant, but it is does meet the bandwidth limitations, meaning if the source and sink can decode it properly, there is nothing really preventing it from working.
As far as the PS4 Pro is concerned, 4:2:2 uses 12-bit color and HDR10 is 10-bit color.
Yes, 4:2:2 will work with HDR but then you are forcing the TV to downscale a 12-bit color range to 10-bit in order for it to work with HDR. Some TVs will handle this better than others. On ones that don't handle the conversion too well, you will see color banding that others might not see.
If you want the native color range for HDR10, you would need to go 4:2:0 (which uses 10-bit color) to get it. If your TV can handle dowscaling 12 bit color to 10 with no issues, then you won't see the color banding when using 4:2:2 like some people are.
Sampled some other HDR games and I do some banding in the skyboxes but minimal. Though nowhere near as severe as Second Son. It's gotten rid of by switching to YUV420. Looks like YUV420 for HDR games on the B6 OLED unless others have found otherwise?
Reading through this thread made my head hurt.
So, for 4K TVs with HDR, it's YUV? I set my PS4 Pro to "Automatic" on my LG UH7700 (HDR supported) and it shows RGB when I check the Video Output Information screen.
Should I change it to YUV? Leave it on Automatic?
Wanted to add that in Automatic, RGB is selected, but it auto goes to YUV sometimes (particularly in NBA 2K17).
Reading through this thread made my head hurt.
So, for 4K TVs with HDR, it's YUV? I set my PS4 Pro to "Automatic" on my LG UH7700 (HDR supported) and it shows RGB when I check the Video Output Information screen.
Should I change it to YUV? Leave it on Automatic?
Wanted to add that in Automatic, RGB is selected, but it auto goes to YUV sometimes (particularly in NBA 2K17).
13 page thread on how to get your PS4 Pro to output both 4k and HDR, its two most advertised features. Wow.
I guess consoles really are becoming like PC.
To be fair, its more to do with all the different TV's out there and people understanding the settings, not really a fault of the PS4 Pro.
It works fine with my Sony 4k TV. I set the Pro to Automatic, which works just fine, switching from 4k RGB to YUV420 if I turn on HDR in a game, really quite simple.
As far as the PS4 Pro is concerned, 4:2:2 uses 12-bit color and HDR10 is 10-bit color.
Yes, 4:2:2 will work with HDR but then you are forcing the TV to downscale a 12-bit color range to 10-bit in order for it to work with HDR. Some TVs will handle this better than others. On ones that don't handle the conversion too well, you will see color banding that others might not see.
If you want the native color range for HDR10, you would need to go 4:2:0 (which uses 10-bit color) to get it. If your TV can handle dowscaling 12 bit color to 10 with no issues, then you won't see the color banding when using 4:2:2 like some people are.
I have a KS8000 and regardless if I set it to 420 or 422, there seems to be colour banding and HDR effect is not "WOW". But on the PC, 10bit 420 looks great. Very frustrating.
Is there specific game where it's easy to observe?
I've checked Infamous FL and Ratchet but neither have any banding with 2160p-RGB setting
But I'm using 2016 KS7000 so it's possible that 2015 models behave diffrently
Surely if the same TV has a problem on one input but not another that would suggest a setting causing the banding?
13 page thread on how to get your PS4 Pro to output both 4k and HDR, its two most advertised features. Wow.
I guess consoles really are becoming like PC.
Surely if the same TV has a problem on one input but not another that would suggest a setting causing the banding?
More like the PS4 Pro being the cause outputting wrong information or incompatible stuff. I have everything through the one Input and PS4 Pro the only device with a HDR issue.
I have a KS8000 and regardless if I set it to 420 or 422, there seems to be colour banding and HDR effect is not "WOW". But on the PC, 10bit 420 looks great. Very frustrating.
supported games automatically switch to HDR when they load up. right now the dashboard doesn't do HDR so it will always show as RGB when doing the test
i set mine to auto and it works
When you're in the PS4 OS alone it defaults to non-HDR I believe. I don't think the current PS4 UI is outputting HDR, so you will see default to RGB.
When you run a game in HDR mode it will switch to YUV to be able to output the HDR mode.
Thanks for the help today.The port is not a proper Hdmi 2.0 port does not have all the protocols or the new hdr hdmi chip.. They released this Tv b4 Hdmi 2.0 specs were finalized the ports are not certified . one port (4) had Hdmi 2.0 and Hdcp 2.2(MHL port) but it's can't decode the metadata. No Way around it if you want HDMI 2.0A(HDR) you have to get one connect box..
I may be being super dumb here (as I'm familiar with all the settings / video types) but I've hooked my PS4 pro up, but had a question.
On Automatic it shows up as RGB 4K 59Hz RGB 24 bit
However, when I select the following it shows this:
Select RGB it shows 4K 59Hz RGB 24 bit
Select YUV 420 it shows 4K 59 Hz YCbCr420 30 bit
If I change it back to automatic and go into a game and choose to turn on HDR it shows:
4K 59 Hz YCbCr422 24 bit.
Is this working as intended? I thought it should be 30 bit?
Not sure if it matters, but I have the HDMI enhanced, and my 4k UHD Samsung Blu-Ray player shows 30 bit.
These settings are shown through on my Onkyo 646
I'm really hoping one of you guys can help me out!
Vizio P50, PS4 Pro. Color Subsampling for the port (Port 3) is on, color space set to auto, Gamma 2.2. This same HDMI cable (the one that came with the TV) and port combination transmits 4K HDR on my Roku Premiere+.
However, in Video Output settings on PS4, when I go to Resolution, 2160p RGB is "unsupported." More troubling, however, is that in Video Output Information, under HDR on your TV, it says "Only 2K Supported. Your TV might support a higher quality color format and 4K HDR if you change its settings. Check your TV's settings."
What do I need to do?!?!
Basically: What could be causing this?
Interesting observation. 30 bit tells me it's using 10bit HDR and 24 bit tells me it's using 8 bit non HDR. I'm sticking with YUV420 then.
Mind sending me your settings for the PS4 Pro and TV. I have the JS9000 UK but games like Infamous are far far too dark
Can anyone help - I've got a Sony Bravia 4K TV from 2014 that doesn't support HDR. It does support HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 - however when I choose resolution, the 2160 RBG option is greyed out and says unsupported. Anyone got any ideas why that may be?
I appear to be stuck with the 2160 yuv420 option. I've not idea whats best but everyone seems to be saying RBG if you're not using HDR.
[Asmodean];224265255 said:Assuming that it's supported by the TV, and the correct hdmi cable / input is used for the TV, etc
Some people have had success by going into the settings and disabling HDCP then being able to select 4k RGB, then going back and enabling HDCP again and it stays on RGB 2160p.
Else boot the PS4 in safe mode (turn it off and when turning on again hold down the button until you hear 2 beeps). and changing HDCP to 1.4 in the safe mode menu.
[Asmodean];224258802 said:fyi: You can basically tell when the PS4 is using higher than 8-bit color, by changing deep color from automatic to off. If the screen doesn't go black for a second, it means it's running as 8-bit currently.
From my observations; (providing your display is 'deep color' compatible ,etc)
1080p - uses deep color output
2160p YUV420 - uses deep color output
2160p RGB - uses 8-bit color
I still think RGB 8-bit provides higher quality for SDR games than YUV420 at 10-bit does. At least on my samsung ks8000 eu model (9000 in us). It may only even be 10-bit on the home screen. don't think SDR games even support 10-bit color.
I haven't tested YUV422 yet, but I suspect it does use it. I can't check from my end what the actual bit depth is though. With the whole 12-bit issue.
ps;
wouldn't all of these hdmi color bandwidth issues be solved on the Pro if they simply made it output at 30hz for 30fps games/modes for games.
hdmi 2.0 can do 2160p RGB 10-bit @ 30hz .. I mean, if the game is 30fps locked anyway. what's the point in sending a 60hz signal?
Can anyone with a Vizio MC65-1 or an M series share which setting they are using?
I know I do not have HDR, but right now RGB is not even an issue for me to choose on the PS4 Pro. I changed the Advanced Picture mode on my Vizio to RGB and the option was still greyed out. Do I need to change it, power down everything, and then it will be an option?
Any help appreciated.
I have a Vizio M60 and am wondering the same thing. The only option I have is 2160p YUV 420. Is 2160p RBG superior?
I have a KS8000 and regardless if I set it to 420 or 422, there seems to be colour banding and HDR effect is not "WOW". But on the PC, 10bit 420 looks great. Very frustrating.
I think I've "fixed" my Infamous First Light dark issue on my KS9500. It is still dark but not as dark as before. I'm trying my best not to use dynamic contrast. I've increased the gamma to +3. It was on 0 before.
My other unchanged settings are (calibrated previously):
Backlight - 20
Brightness - 46
Contrast - 100
Smart LED - High
Dynamic Contrast - Off
Colour Space - Native
Added:
Gamma - 3
This is all in Game mode.
If anyone still finds that dark then try Dynamic Contrast - Low.
I think this game is dark by design.
Reading through this thread made my head hurt.
So, for 4K TVs with HDR, it's YUV? I set my PS4 Pro to "Automatic" on my LG UH7700 (HDR supported) and it shows RGB when I check the Video Output Information screen.
Should I change it to YUV? Leave it on Automatic?
Wanted to add that in Automatic, RGB is selected, but it auto goes to YUV sometimes (particularly in NBA 2K17).
So you manually switch for HDR?