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[Mr-Joker]

(I know, its dumb, but the Ghetsis fight in BW scarred me, and a lesson was learnt)

Ha ha, Ghetsis' Hydreigon did scar some folks, meanwhile my Samurott crushed him.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Now why can't they do both at the same time?...

It's so funny to see people being disappointed by this generation as that is how I spent the whole of gen 6.

But why is Game Freak opting to focus on one over the other when with past generation they manged to focus on both and more.

Just like they fleshed Zygarde and their lore out? I would give them the benefit of the doubt if they weren't so lazy with Gen VI as a whole.

Hey yall, I agree why not both, but I can't tell you why, just what it is.

There's room for improvement

The world is really fantastic and I've never really been one to really care about that in pokemon. I mean it takes about 7-8 mins to go around the perimeter of Melemele island when its fully open. This is NOT including running into mons, going inwards towards internal routes (yes, the perimeter of the island is that fleshed out), caves and nook areas.

The other islands are even bigger. The Mon diversity makes Alola really unique and exotic. Its a collection of the new mons with popular and a nice portion of mons you just don't see in the wild often. Alolans make old mons seem fresh, it should have been fleshed out more.


People should def be bummed about losing competitive streamlining but that effort did go somewhere else.

 

[The12thGripper]

Just to save scroll space:
https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/storytext.txt
For the battle tree. Text File : 0 lines beginning with ♪. I assume the second list is unlocked after a milestone.
https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/gametext.txt
Text File : 3 I'm guessing is battle spot agains lines starting with ♪. Worth noting in the sound directory there are 19 tracks whose filenames start bgm_nj_vs_ and 19 named tracks there.

Now the thing is the game has some past songs which are not in either sets of lists (and not sorted with the other bgm_nj_vs_ files);

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XY trainer battle, Frontier Brain (the GBA version for some reason), Wally, Champion Cynthia, BW Elite 4 and VCG finals

.

So it doesn't look like the

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BW E4

theme is usable in PvP battle going by that list.

I want to believe that isn't the case but I'm pretty certain Song 20 and Song 21 are just placeholders (and can't be used) because there's no reason why they shouldn't have proper names.

 

[Geminosity]

So, just to double check my understanding on this crazy big list of QR codes...

* scanning one adds that pokemon's entry in your pokedex
* you can use said entry to see where you can catch them
* every 10 you scan gives you a chance to catch a non-alolan pokemon like Chikorita, Litwick, etc for about an hour

Is that about right?

 

[Sparkedglory]

oops...double post?

 

[Sparkedglory]

Whats the post game content like? Is the main quest still piss easy?

Why do people always complain about the main game being easy? Pokemon will always be first and foremost a game primarily targeted at children. I understand wanting some more difficulty, but you're just not gonna get that. Personally I wouldn't mind a bit of a difficulty spike, but I doubt we'd ever get anything substantial.

Though who knows, maybe i'll be wrong. Guess it's wait and see.

 

[Vex_]

Is it true what I hear about the national Dex? There isn't one?


So there aren't a lot of Pokemon in this one?

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Also people should stop complaining about the new mons stats. Vast majority of them are great. They have great movepools, strength, and type coverage.

Its interesting that people often criticize getting into the nitty gritty of balance and what's broken. The new mons are strong in various aspects compared to old ones, they can't have speed priority too. That's pretty much what keeps em in check.

 

[Sandfox]

Is it true what I hear about the national Dex? There isn't one?


So there aren't a lot of Pokemon in this one?

It seems as though they moved the National Dex to Pokemon Bank.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

Why do people always complain about the main game being easy? Pokemon will always be first and foremost a game primarily targeted at children. I understand wanting some more difficulty, but you're just not gonna get that. Personally I wouldn't mind a bit of a difficulty spike, but I doubt we'd ever get anything substantial.

Though who knows, maybe i'll be wrong. Guess it's wait and see.

And why do people act as if Pokemon is for children when it consistently has a much wider appeal than that? You always see the demand for remakes of older games when those "kids" would have been teenagers/young adults by now. This kind is reasoning is why you see the hypocritical kind of pandering to Gen I but acting like these people also wouldn't appreciate the finer gameplay improvements that come with aging the franchise. Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with appealing to BOTH sides of the demographics through optional things like having a difficulty select, etc. It's really narrow-minded to say "Pokemon is for kids, therefore be quiet!"

 

[Qurupeke]

Also people should stop complaining about the new mons stats. Vast majority of them are great. They have great movepools, strength, and type coverage.

That's not true though, it's pointless to sugarcoat this. The majority of the Pokemon are mediocre at best. Excluding the Legendary Pokemon, there aren't any exceptional stand outs, maybe other than Toxapex. There are some good Pokemon like Alolan Ninetales, Golisopod and Silvally, but even them aren't "top" stuff, there are some problems with them. Generally, the generation brought low speed, high defenses on terrible types and limited movepools because there aren't any move tutors and the developers keep making some stupid decisions. Even some of the Legendary Pokemon suffer from it, like Tapu Koko and Bulu.

 

[Sparkedglory]

And why do people act as if Pokemon is for children when it consistently has a much wider appeal than that? You always see the demand for remakes of older games when those "kids" would have been teenagers/young adults by now. This kind is reasoning is why you see the hypocritical kind of pandering to Gen I but acting like these people also wouldn't appreciate the finer gameplay improvements that come with aging the franchise. Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with appealing to BOTH sides of the demographics through optional things like having a difficulty select, etc. It's really narrow-minded to say "Pokemon is for kids, therefore be quiet!"

I'm not telling anybody to keep their opinions to themselves. I"m not against a harder game at all. In fact a difficulty select would be fine. Though I think it's a bit weird to just expect it from the base game that we usually get. Yes keyword being "usually". However, yes Pokemon will always be children first. No I'm not saying it can't have a broader appeal and cater to the older players too, but that's their primary market.

 

[kirblar]

It seems as though they moved the National Dex to Pokemon Bank.

This is probably a better move, for people's long term sanity.

 

[Sandfox]

That's not true though, it's pointless to sugarcoat this. The majority of the Pokemon are mediocre at best. Excluding the Legendary Pokemon, there aren't any exceptional stand outs, maybe other than Toxapex. There are some good Pokemon like Alolan Ninetales, Golisopod and Silvally, but even them aren't "top" stuff, there are some problems with them. Generally, the generation brought low speed, high defenses on terrible types and limited movepools because there aren't any move tutors and the developers keep making some stupid decisions. Even some of the Legendary Pokemon suffer from it, like Tapu Koko and Bulu.

This is bringing on some deja vu from other generations for me lol.

 

[Mr-Joker]

Why do people always complain about the main game being easy? Pokemon will always be first and foremost a game primarily targeted at children. I understand wanting some more difficulty, but you're just not gonna get that. Personally I wouldn't mind a bit of a difficulty spike, but I doubt we'd ever get anything substantial.

Though who knows, maybe i'll be wrong. Guess it's wait and see.

While the game is aimed at kids there was some challenge to them, with Black and White 2 offering Challenge mode as an option, though its implementation wasn't done well.

So rather than refine on Challenge mode and continue with the game offering some challenge Game Freak instead opted to make the game brain dead easy and no turning off the Exp share does not fix this as problems lies deeper with the game play designed with the Hoenn remake highlighting it with Granite Cave being blocked off, Wally dragging you to Route 118 and the game handing you a legendary Pokémon with their mega stone.

 

[Sparkedglory]

While the game is aimed at kids there was some challenge to them, with Black and White 2 offering Challenge mode as an option, though its implementation wasn't done well.

So rather than refine on Challenge mode and continue with the game offering some challenge Game Freak instead opted to make the game brain dead easy and no turning off the Exp share does not fix this as problems lies deeper with the game play designed with the Hoenn remake highlighting it with Granite Cave being blocked off, Wally dragging you to Route 118 and the game handing you a legendary Pokémon with their mega stone.

I'm perfectly ok with them bringing back the challenge mode, if they could fix it up then I'm sure many would love it. I'm not against a harder game at all.

And yeah, I just played through ORAS again. took just over 12 hours and I was honestly just going on autopilot. I"m ok with it, though I don't expect gamefreak to do much about it in the future.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

That's not true though, it's pointless to sugarcoat this. The majority of the Pokemon are mediocre at best. Excluding the Legendary Pokemon, there aren't any exceptional stand outs, maybe other than Toxapex. There are some good Pokemon like Alolan Ninetales, Golisopod and Silvally, but even them aren't "top" stuff, there are some problems with them. Generally, the generation brought low speed, high defenses on terrible types and limited movepools because there aren't any move tutors and the developers keep making some stupid decisions. Even some of the Legendary Pokemon suffer from it, like Tapu Koko and Bulu.

You can't possibly expect every Mon to the "best", one can argue about competitive. That's cool for sure, but overall these new mons are fun to use. That matters more IMO, you can see that as soon as you get a Gen 7 v Gen 1 matchup

 

[MegaManTrigger]

I'm not telling anybody to keep their opinions to themselves. I"m not against a harder game at all. In fact a difficulty select would be fine. Though I think it's a bit weird to just expect it from the base game that we usually get. Yes keyword being "usually". However, yes Pokemon will always be children first. No I'm not saying it can't have a broader appeal and cater to the older players too, but that's their primary market.

It's not weird to expect it when B2W2 came with a poorly-thought out challenge mode that enabled you to change difficulties of the game. All they had to do was literally rethink their approach to difficulty and have it at the beginning of the game and not the end. Also, I don't buy that children as the primary market considering they cannot buy a console (let alone games) on their own, are more likely to have used a tablet/mobile for entertainment, etc. GF is underestimating just how much of a broad appeal Pokemon has, and it's going to keep resulting in these gimped and insulting games.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

I would say there are quiet a few very good Pokémon. All the starters, Dhelmise, Toxapex as mentioned, Wishiwashi, and Minior are all really good. Others like Alolan Ninetales, Mimikyu, and the newly supplemented Mantine all have interesting situational applications. Oranguru changes the doubles game significantly, if nothing else.

I think that what we are seeing is merely absence of traditional sweepers, which is fine, given how speed-driven the meta has become lately.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

So, just to double check my understanding on this crazy big list of QR codes...

* scanning one adds that pokemon's entry in your pokedex
* you can use said entry to see where you can catch them
* every 10 you scan gives you a chance to catch a non-alolan pokemon like Chikorita, Litwick, etc for about an hour

Is that about right?

You can also scan any random QR code you find. You won't get a seen tag added to the Alola Pokedex though.

 

[Mr-Joker]

By the way it seems that Nintendo might have seen sense and are bumping up Europe release date as some French folks got e-mail from Amazon France saying that the Sun and Moon are releasing on the 19th.

Though just need to wait and see if this is widespread throughout off Europe or is just France only.

 

[Subtervotion]

Why do people always complain about the main game being easy? Pokemon will always be first and foremost a game primarily targeted at children. I understand wanting some more difficulty, but you're just not gonna get that. Personally I wouldn't mind a bit of a difficulty spike, but I doubt we'd ever get anything substantial.

Though who knows, maybe i'll be wrong. Guess it's wait and see.

If only there was this thing when you started a game, like you could choose easy, medium, or hard. Has any game ever done that? Sounds like it could work well though............................

 

[Qurupeke]

By the way it seems that Nintendo might have see sense and are bumping up Europe release date as some French folks got e-mail from Amazon France saying that the Sun and Moon are releasing on the 19th.

Though just need to wait and see if this is widespread throughout off Europe or is just France only.

Man, great news. I really hope that's the case for the rest of us in Europe.

 

[Zelias]

By the way it seems that Nintendo might have see sense and are bumping up Europe release date as some French folks got e-mail from Amazon France saying that the Sun and Moon are releasing on the 19th.

Though just need to wait and see if this is widespread throughout off Europe or is just France only.

Interesting. Wonder if this will apply to the rest of the EU too.

 

[Spinosaurus]

By the way it seems that Nintendo might have seen sense and are bumping up Europe release date as some French folks got e-mail from Amazon France saying that the Sun and Moon are releasing on the 19th.

Though just need to wait and see if this is widespread throughout off Europe or is just France only.

I need this.

 

[Charlie0108]

Amazon UK is still saying 23rd for both

 

[iFirez]

After finishing Moon - that was a much more enjoyable game than ORAS and even better than X&Y. Some really good bumps in challenge and breathtaking moments. Really solid story and progression too.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

After finishing Moon - that was a much more enjoyable game than ORAS and even better than X&Y. Some really good bumps in challenge and breathtaking moments. Really solid story and progression too.

How far along do you estimate before you can trade with other people?

Also, how long until you get Eviolite?

 

[Puruzi]

After finishing Moon - that was a much more enjoyable game than ORAS and even better than X&Y. Some really good bumps in challenge and breathtaking moments. Really solid story and progression too.

Good to hear. Man these last 6 days are going to be hell.

 

[Sparkedglory]

If only there was this thing when you started a game, like you could choose easy, medium, or hard. Has any game ever done that? Sounds like it could work well though............................

If only people had read my later posts, with me stating that a difficulty selection is perfect. I wonder how hard that is to do instead of posting purely on instant reaction.......

 

[Fulminator]

After finishing Moon - that was a much more enjoyable game than ORAS and even better than X&Y. Some really good bumps in challenge and breathtaking moments. Really solid story and progression too.

nice! can't wait until friday so i can sink my teeth into this

 

[clemenx]

I think people are overreacting a bit, my personal Pokemon experience and the reason I spend +500 hours in every version is basically wifi battles + battle facilty... Some organized competitions here and there but that's the meat for me.

That backbone of the Pokemon gameplay most likely isn't going to change, ever. So while I'm bummed for some of the QoL changes, No hordes probably means an extra 15 minutes for every EV trained monster but it's not the ne end of the world. All points to an improved single player campaign and that's something I'm excited for.

 

[Infinite]

After finishing Moon - that was a much more enjoyable game than ORAS and even better than X&Y. Some really good bumps in challenge and breathtaking moments. Really solid story and progression too.

But is it better or as good as black and white?

 

[Aleh]

By the way it seems that Nintendo might have seen sense and are bumping up Europe release date as some French folks got e-mail from Amazon France saying that the Sun and Moon are releasing on the 19th.

Though just need to wait and see if this is widespread throughout off Europe or is just France only.

Oh wow, don't play with my heart Nintendo, I can only take so much

 

[PadWarrior]

I know it won't happen but man I would love to have more than one saved slot so I can play the story over and not lose all my items.

 

[Stuart444]

I know it won't happen but man I would love to have more than one saved slot so I can play the story over and not lose all my items.

Same but at least with Pokemon Bank I can keep event Pokemon now

I know some might think I'm weird but I always played Pokemon mainly for the story. Glad to hear this one's story is supposed to be good.

 

[PadWarrior]

Same but at least with Pokemon Bank I can keep event Pokemon now

I know some might think I'm weird but I always played Pokemon mainly for the story. Glad to hear this one's story is supposed to be good.

Yea I'm very greatful for the bank. Too bad they won't update to hold items as well.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Yea I'm very greatful for the bank. Too bad they won't update to hold items as well.

This is such a huge pain.

It took so much effort to drag all my important items from game to game to game. And now, from what I understand, it will be impossible to bring any items over from ORAS? You can only trade over via Bank?

It wouldn't be a problem if they let me buy/earn multiples of important items that are hard to get.

 

[PadWarrior]

This is such a huge pain.

It took so much effort to drag all my important items from game to game to game. And now, from what I understand, it will be impossible to bring any items over from ORAS? You can only trade over via Bank?

It wouldn't be a problem if they let me buy/earn multiples of important items that are hard to get.

I know
I understand why people buy 2 copies.

 

[Fulminator]

I think people are overreacting a bit, my personal Pokemon experience and the reason I spend +500 hours in every version is basically wifi battles + battle facilty... Some organized competitions here and there but that's the meat for me.

That backbone of the Pokemon gameplay most likely isn't going to change, ever. So while I'm bummed for some of the QoL changes, No hordes probably means an extra 15 minutes for every EV trained monster but it's not the ne end of the world. All points to an improved single player campaign and that's something I'm excited for.

yeah i agree with this, pretty much

the 300+ hours i sink into every pokemon game though is breeding competitively viable pokemon and then never using them :/

 

[tim_pkmn89]

It seems as though they moved the National Dex to Pokemon Bank.

Judging from the lack of Pokedex entries, I'm expecting a January patch alongside the Bank update. They hyped up the VC transfers too much not to support everything.

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And then we'll get our ORAS Battle Frontier patch too!

 

[Mr-Joker]

I know some might think I'm weird but I always played Pokemon mainly for the story. Glad to hear this one's story is supposed to be good.

You aren't the only one, I also played Pokémon for the story.

 

[Otakumegane]

Is Dhelmise unbreedable?

Doesn't seem to have any egg moves. Getting a shiny one is going to be a pain.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Is Dhelmise unbreedable?

Doesn't seem to have any egg moves. Getting a shiny one is going to be a pain.

I'm sure it's breedable. Probably only with Ditto.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

Does anyone know

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how is necrozma is obtained?

 

[PadWarrior]

Question. Say I beat moon and place my ash greninja in the bank. Can i delete the demo re-download it and use a new ash greninja on a restarted play thru?

 

[DNAbro]

Does anyone know

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how is necrozma is obtained?

Spoiler

Catch it at Ten Carot Hill after UB quest. It's a random encounter there.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

So version exclusive and legendary in the past you always had the problem of "do I get rid of my only copy for the sake of the dex or I do I just throw on a level 100 something and hope a sucker bites?" but that is not a problem in Sun/Moon. For the cover legendary you get a cosmog and the for version exclusive UBs it seems odd these bits of the script:

It appears that it might be UB Absorption! It seems to be a UB of great strength and formidable muscles! But that is not all... It is not one creature, but two! In Melemele Meadow![VAR 0114(001F)]
It appears that it might be UB Beauty! It seems to be a beautiful yet dangerous UB that can move at incredible speeds! But that is not all... It is not one specimen, but four! In Verdant Cavern![VAR 0114(001F)]
The UB that has been sighted on this island is known by the code name Blade... It is a fearsome beast that is apparently able to cut through anything at all... And it was not a single sighting, either...[VAR 0114(001F)]
The UB that has been sighted on this island is known by the code name Blaster... It is a fearsome beast that apparently possesses a fearsome energy that will burn anything... And it was not a single sighting, either...[VAR 0114(001F)]
We cannot afford any delays.[VAR 0114(0029)]

Why does one version get more aside that suggests more than one can be caught.

Is Dhelmise unbreedable?

Doesn't seem to have any egg moves. Getting a shiny one is going to be a pain.

Mineral egg group, genderless (like most of mineral group), 6400 steps to hatch. Be sure to catch it in a fancy ball as breeding with Ditto now passes down the other parents ball regardless of gender.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

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Catch it at Ten Carot Hill after UB quest. It's a random encounter there.

Also is

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necrozma or marshadow the 3rd legendary?

 

[ArchedThunder]

Also is

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necrozma or marshadow the 3rd legendary?

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Necrozma, Marshadow is a mythic.