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SPOILERS Pokemon Sun/Moon Begins to leak on 4Chan

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MrCookiepants

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Welp, all the doomsaying was unwarranted I guess. Unless people are actually gonna pretend to care about rotation battles and breeding regular Rattata.

This game looking godlike.
 
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balladofwindfishes

Member
MrCookiepants said:
Welp, all the doomsaying was unwarranted I guess. Unless people are actually gonna pretend to care about rotation battles and breeding regular Rattata.

This game looking godlike.
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All Pokemon with Alolan variants born in Alola are always the variant? Even if their parents weren't?

That seems awfully inconvenient. I was assuming it just took it from the father.

Wouldn't this mean regular Raichu, Ninetales, etc won't ever be able to use in random battles until they release another game in the generation? Don't those block Pokemon imported from Bank?
 
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MrCookiepants

Member
SenorArdilla said:
Gamefreak is so adamant about not giving Levitate-only Pokemon an different HA.

Speed Boost Vikabolt would be nice.
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It's too slow to really abuse Speed Boost. Needs two turns to reach an acceptable speed.

No Guard Zap Cannon would be way better. It could sweep with Agility and high base power move + ridiculous special attack.
 
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Lil'DigiOp

Member
If you are looking forward to the story, fear not.

That is 100% the best part of Sun and Moon. Its an adventure.


Pacing is great with decent gaps between story beats, main trials, and exploration. You end up running thru grass for a min just to see if you encountered everything before you move on.

Note: without popplio, water deficiency in like the majority of melemele. Your only option is slowpoke
 
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Kyzer

Banned
yeah games lookin great lol, maybe Ohmori actually delivered

still salty about loss of hordes and rotation and triple battles, but thats something they can bring back later, when they drop all these new features again
 
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Seil

Member
girlfriendofagamer said:
If you are looking forward to the story, fear not.

That is 100% the best part of Sun and Moon. Its an adventure.


Pacing is great with decent gaps between story beats, main trials, and exploration. You end up running thru grass for a min just to see if you encountered everything before you move on.

Note: without popplio, water deficiency in like the majority of melemele. Your only option is slowpoke
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Wingull. Water's not that big a deal there though, either. With that said, I picked Rowlet (but I traded myself the other two as well). I think I'd pick Rowlet or Popplio if I wasn't planning on using something else for my next playthrough.

Fulminator said:
yeah im pretty sure, at least that's what people in this thread have said anyway, i haven't played the game yet
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Mmk interesting.
 
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NaDannMaGoGo

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SomePerson said:
Man, I'm personally not too happy that they've embraced the whole dark pokedex thing. It was fine before to have some that were dark when they weren't trying to edgy up every single entry but now it seems like they're trying to depict this crapsack world that runs completely contrary to the idealistic world we're actually presented with. There isn't any actual hidden darkness behind what we see (with some exceptions and in those cases they don't go pointlessly dark for no reason) so the pokedex stuff comes off as a bit odd. At the rate they're going, soon they'll be flat out implying that trainers are evil for capturing Pokemon or something.

And what a kick in the face to mega evolution too. I personally love the mechanic and it doesn't seem to be universally loathed or anything by the fans so I don't get the 180 Gamefreak has taken on it. Aside from nearly abandoning the mechanic for now, they've decided to go and start grimdarking it up too? Why the heck did we go from mega evolution being the ultimate expression of the bond between Pokemon and trainer to it apparently being this horrible thing trainers do to their mons to make them stronger. I know some people like the idea of that, and it's a concept I kind of like too, but it runs completely contrary to absolutely everything we've been given so far to a near nonsensical degree. It seems like it's just a big middle finger to the whole concept for no reason at all.

At the end of the day none of this will affect the game itself, but that's exactly why it bothers me so much. Why get all grim when it runs completely opposite, barring some exceptions, to how the world we're shown actually is. I know it's not really a big deal, but I figured I'd give my thoughts on it anyway even if not many people will agree.
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Very well put. That's why I was referring to these Pokemon versions world building as complete trash recently.

It's the god damn inconsistency that evidently only gets worse the further we get along.

The Pokedex entries have always been hella dumb. In some ways, it ended up being adorable and sure enough the occasional weirdly grimdark entry was amusing, too. Ultimately though, it's still badly written crap for the most part.

Now, that there wasn't given too much thought on those entries early on can be excused. However, that we're now nearing generation one billion and they haven't cleaned that mess up is just mind boggling. No, it only gets worse as you say as the addition of more and more grimdark entries is just a complete contrast to how downright excessively tame (for the children!) the Pokemon world is actually represented.


I would've hoped that at some point Gamefreak had a meeting and decided "Guys, we're gonna overhaul the Pokedex entries and create a more comprehensive, filled in Pokemon world." Hell, maybe even decide on the so far completely inconclusive matters like:
  1. Do 'normal' animals exist too?
  2. Is meat generally Pokemon meat or animal meat? What about food in general?
  3. All things life and death. E.g. are Ghost Pokemon dead? Can they be resurrections of former Pokemon or even humans? Yadayada.
  4. General human ethics in regards to Pokemon (Fighting, work, preserving, domesticating etc.).

In short, create an actual world. Currently one hardly exists because inconsistency is the name of the game.

And before some smarty pants comes with a "game for children!!!" response. So what? Having good world building is universally better. Period. If you don't want children to think about certain things, like life and death, don't directly address those aspects commonly. Just be consistent about it when you do. Children aren't morons anyways. Whether they actively acknowledge it or not, they'll appreciate and benefit from proper world building.

The Pokemon and Digimon anime were both aimed at children. I appreciated the latter more back when I was young and still to this day because it's simply better.

This isn't a mere writing issue either. The same applies for gameplay and the insanity that is Gamefreak's supposed children-friendly focus boggles my mind. But that's a discussion for another day.
 
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Forkball

Member
If Pokémon were real, humans would almost certainly be extinct.

Also one factor no one has really talked about: Global Link. That could play a big role in getting rare items and increased BP. It might be the principal way to get bottle caps.
 
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PreyingShark

Member
After you beat the league a second time, you can talk to a guy at the Battle Tree to unlock the Judge functionality for your PC. On the bottom screen of your PC, there will be a button to switch the top screen from showing stats to showing this:

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The big thing here is that it's a lot faster to check mons in bulk since you just press left/right and it automatically goes to the next mon since, well, it's just a different top screen from the usual.
 
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ShaperofStories

Member
I heard that males and genderless pokes can pass down pokeballs now!

But does anyone know how that would work when both parents are in different types of balls? How does the game determine the child's ball?
 
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PreyingShark

Member
ShaperofStories said:
I heard that males and genderless pokes can pass down pokeballs now!

But does anyone know how that would work when both parents are in different types of balls? How does the game determine the child's ball?
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When it's dude + girl then it's always the girl's ball.

When it's anything + Ditto it's always the anything's ball.
 
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PreyingShark

Member
So yeah, GF logic:

"Let's make it so you can check the IVs of a full box of Pokemon in just seconds, but make EV training much slower without precise Festival Plaza set-ups dedicated to it. Woot, we did good man!"
 
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NaDannMaGoGo

Member
PreyingShark said:
So yeah, GF logic:

"Let's make it so you can check the IVs of a full box of Pokemon in just seconds, but make EV training much slower without precise Festival Plaza set-ups dedicated to it. Woot, we did good man!"
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"Here's what people want and what makes sense from a game design standpoint anyways. So, let's obfuscate the ever living fuck out of all this."

Seriously, the way IVs and EVs were handled by Gamefreak throughout history is quite sth.
 
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PreyingShark

Member
PreyingShark said:
After you beat the league a second time, you can talk to a guy at the Battle Tree to unlock the Judge functionality for your PC. On the bottom screen of your PC, there will be a button to switch the top screen from showing stats to showing this:

jgkXg9c.png


The big thing here is that it's a lot faster to check mons in bulk since you just press left/right and it automatically goes to the next mon since, well, it's just a different top screen from the usual.
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Oh, and you can breed for 30's now:

31 = さいこう
30 = すばらしい
26 - 29 = すごくいい

EDIT: IVs aren't bad at all to breed for BTW. I'd say it's about as fast as ORAS if not a bit faster (including time to get parents). For XY it would depend on if you had access to lots of friend safaris or not. If you didn't you were SOL, if you did it was nice as hell.
 
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SenorArdilla

Member
PreyingShark said:
Oh, and you can breed for 30's now:

31 = さいこう
30 = すばらしい
26 - 29 = すごくいい

IVs aren't bad at all to breed for BTW. I'd say it's about as fast as ORAS if not a bit faster (including time to get parents). For XY it would depend on if you had access to lots of friend safaris or not. If you didn't you were SOL, if you did it was nice as hell.
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Excellent.
 
Boss Doggie

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Forkball said:
I do wish more journalists were more informed about the metagame aspects of Pokemon so they could take the developers to task about controversial features. You never see journalists ask Game Freak about these types of questions regarding why IVs and EVs are that way and feature removal. Questions are always "How do you keep coming up with new Pokemon?" and reviews are just "It's Pokemon/10." Repeat the cycle for each new title. You'll never see a journalist ask, "Do you think IVs are a hindrance to those interested in competitive battling, and how do you plan to address this issue with this title" or "Many people think EV training is more cumbersome in this title than in XY. What is the thinking behind changing this feature?" Meanwhile journalists are trying to desperately get an answer out of developers about whether the eight room of the fourth raid in a Destiny expansion will have it's drop rate adjusted.
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The thing is that that aspect in Pokemon is more for the hardcore ones. For Destiny all those things are still relevant to a casual player especially when it's shoved in their marketing. It's related to "outrage patching" because casuals make noises on supposed imbalance even though they probably aren't.

Aleh said:
I'm guessing it's because the actual battlefield isn't big enough and making them huge for a couple of pokémon only would be counter productive (unlike a game focused solely on battles)
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see, I wouldn't mind it but they outright showed they were fine doing it with Exeggutor
 
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Dryk

Member
balladofwindfishes said:
All Pokemon with Alolan variants born in Alola are always the variant? Even if their parents weren't?

That seems awfully inconvenient. I was assuming it just took it from the father.

Wouldn't this mean regular Raichu, Ninetales, etc won't ever be able to use in random battles until they release another game in the generation? Don't those block Pokemon imported from Bank?
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Game Freak always find some way to fuck everything up don't they. Between this and the pain in the arse required to breed an opposite Lycanroc I'm not even going to bother with breeding a team this Gen.
 
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MrCookiepants

Member
NaDannMaGoGo said:
"Here's what people want and what makes sense from a game design standpoint anyways. So, let's obfuscate the ever living fuck out of all this."

Seriously, the way IVs and EVs were handled by Gamefreak throughout history is quite sth.
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If only they had a game design expert like you on the team!
 
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Qurupeke

Member
SkullHydra said:
So there's a guy on /vp/ right now who's saying that EV training is actually quite a bit easier than people are stating. Here's something he states is in the game that I haven't heard much:



Sounds great if true, just requiring a bit of set up.
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This is pretty good news.
 
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JoeM86

Member
PreyingShark said:
After you beat the league a second time, you can talk to a guy at the Battle Tree to unlock the Judge functionality for your PC. On the bottom screen of your PC, there will be a button to switch the top screen from showing stats to showing this:

jgkXg9c.png


The big thing here is that it's a lot faster to check mons in bulk since you just press left/right and it automatically goes to the next mon since, well, it's just a different top screen from the usual.
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Don't think that's for beating the league second time. I think you need to show him an impressive Pokémon to shock him awake
 
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