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Polygon: Nintendo Switch will launch with fewer games than the Wii, Wii U or 3DS

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RichiRamjag

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TheMoon said:
Well then don't buy one at launch and wait?! Realize that I'm not trying to sell on "buy this day-1 or else" here.
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I won't buy one at launch (still gotta cancel that preorder), but that myself and many others don't feel the need to get it soon is a problem. I shouldn't be telling myself that I'll wait a year to see what things look like. It's the same thing I did with Wii U. That's a problem. It's not good that Nintendo effectively convinced me not to buy their hardware anytime soon.
 
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Effect

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TheMoon said:
steady stream of info.



We still live in the real world, though.
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A steady stream of info shouldn't be discounted either. We have a Nintendo Direct Tuesday about Fire Emblem that is likely to cover Fire Emblem Warriors (Switch game), maybe the mobile game and who knows what else. That puts Nintendo back in the gaming spotlight for a second week after the Switch presentation. Don't be surprised if there is another Nintendo Direct or information drop the week afterward and maybe more leading to launch day.
 
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Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
ShinUltramanJ said:
Is a Mario Kart port really that exciting for those of you that already own the game on Wii?
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I dunno about you but I'm chomping at the bit to pay full price for the same game with a redone battle mode that will eventually force paid online.
 
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ElectricBlanketFire

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Effect said:
A steady stream of info shouldn't be discounted either. We have a Nintendo Direct Tuesday about Fire Emblem that is likely to cover Fire Emblem Warriors (Switch game), maybe the mobile game and who knows what else. That puts Nintendo back in the gaming spotlight for a second week after the Switch presentation.
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In Japan maybe.
 
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dynamitejim

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One of the selling points of the Switch was that all of Nintendo's resources could be focused on one platform. So why such a paltry line up?
 
SmokedMeat

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
-MB- said:
WiiU sold out at launch though, it was the drought right after that killed momentum, and Switch does not have that problem because there are several heavyhitters lined up in the months afterwards.
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Actually it didn't sell out at launch. You could walk in stores without a preorder and buy one.

I think people forget exactly what was available on Wii U at launch. It'll take Switch MONTHS to approach the quality and number of big name games. Wii U also didn't use last gen ports as a crutch to pad it's release schedule.
 
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Boke1879

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cw_sasuke said:
I dont know about Nintendo - but 3rdpartys are okay with it otherwise they would have stuff ready on launch. Again - they got burned big during WiiU launch which was launch during holiday and the successor of a very popular console. Not going through this crap again - especially if most customers already spending 400 for Zelda and the system.


Where did i say it was a positive ? Its just how its is - reality.
Your example would be like me saying 3rdPartys didnt sell shit on WiiU and you showing me data that Mass Effect sold 13k copies trying to prove me wrong.

More content is always a good thing - but thats not the target for this launch.


If you want to look at the bigger picture you also have to realize that we only have January and the system hasnt even launched yet. There will be plenty of event for Nintendo and 3rdPartys to announce stuff to push the system further.

If you want the system and 3rd to be successful you would have to agree that it doesnt make much sense to launch on a 0 installed base userbase next to Zelda with a ambitious title. It didnt work last time and with the current price strategy i dont think it would this time.
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And I'm telling you right now perception wise people aren't viewing this as a new era of Nintendo. After a Presentation people are left with the same questions. 3rd party support and a lack of compelling software. The resounding response to that presentation and the Switch right now is a massive "EH". Lots of people are in wait and see approach.

People in here saying Zelda is enough aren't looking at the mass amount of people that LOVE Zelda and have even said it's not enough to get them to drop $300 just for one game. If anything lots of people are waiting for the Fall to buy one.
 
Yautja_Warrior

Yautja_Warrior

Member
theWB27 said:
Really. It's baffling that some can support not having more of what you bought the device for.

I can see dealing with having Zelda for now. I can't see making an argument for NOT having more of what you'd want.
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If they had great 3rd part support I'd buy more games for sure but once again it seems like it will be pretty poor.

Hopefully they can show off some better 3rd party games at E3 or a Direct video if they still don't plan on doing E3.
 
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Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
dynamitejim said:
One of the selling points of the Switch was that all of Nintendo's resources could be focused on one platform. So why such a paltry line up?
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It's doubly confusing when I look at the downright pathetic output on the Wii U the last two years. It's no mystery the thing was abandoned to move on to the Switch. I just don't get what happened.
 
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theWB27

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cw_sasuke said:
I dont know about Nintendo - but 3rdpartys are okay with it otherwise they would have stuff ready on launch. Again - they got burned big during WiiU launch which was launch during holiday and the successor of a very popular console. Not going through this crap again - especially if most customers already spending 400 for Zelda and the system.


Where did i say it was a positive ? Its just how its is - reality.
Your example would be like me saying 3rdPartys didnt sell shit on WiiU and you showing me data that Mass Effect sold 13k copies trying to prove me wrong.

More content is always a good thing - but thats not the target for this launch.


If you want to look at the bigger picture you also have to realize that we only have January and the system hasnt even launched yet. There will be plenty of event for Nintendo and 3rdPartys to announce stuff to push the system further.

If you want the system and 3rd to be successful you would have to agree that it doesnt make much sense to launch on a 0 installed base userbase next to Zelda with a ambitious title. It didnt work last time and with the current price strategy i dont think it would this time.
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What are you arguing then Sasuke? That its reality? You said people who are buying Switch are ok with not having more of a selection when that is false. If it isn't a positive to you...why are you going against people who feel a lack of selection is a negative?

You keep saying that people who want more games aren't the target for Switch and it sounds like crap. If Nintendo could have more games they most definitely would. They want as many people as possible to buy this product. You do that with games and features. Games being VERY important in that equation.

If Nintendo isn't targeting the audience that wants to play more games on their hardware then wtf are they doing. Seriously...what are they doing if they aren't targeting to get as many people as possible to play their system?
 
SmokedMeat

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
Gen X said:
It was in New Zealand and Australia, that was all we got. In fact, stocks were so low I had to go to three different stores, one for console, one for Mario and one for a memory card (which ended up being useless).
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How much were N64 games in Australia?
 
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DrDomVonDoom

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Honestly was there anything as hype as Zelda when the PS4 and Xbox One launched ? You were paying 400-500 dollars respectivly, and then buying a 60 dollar game, for what?

Ryse? Killzone? OR all the games you already owned on your PS3/Xbox360?

I feel like 360 bucks for a switch/zelda is far better deal then any combination of ps4/one and a game out of their lines ups. Seriously.
 
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RichiRamjag

Member
Papercuts said:
It's doubly confusing when I look at the downright pathetic output on the Wii U the last two years. It's no mystery the thing was abandoned to move on to the Switch. I just don't get what happened.
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That's my thing, I was fine with the shit ass output for Wii because I assumed it meant a strong initial showing for the switch. Instead, we had people in that presentation talking about games just starting and the big Mario game out in the fall/winter. As soon as they said splatoon was summer, i knew what time it was.

I know Zelda looks good, but I just can't take anyone serious who is saying that this lineup for launch is good in any way.
 
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JoeyJungle

Banned
Polygon said:
On the Nintendo Switch subreddit, one player said that despite being optimistic ahead of the lineup announcement, they were left feeling disappointed with the few titles the company had planned for the system's initial launch.

”Only a couple of games gave me that hype I started with after all the hardware features but am I the only one that maybe I'll wait until the holidays for games like Mario and the like," they wrote.
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Did anyone else find the direct quote they picked to be really weird? It's missing like three or four crucial words. Why didn't they just write "Many fans on the /r/Switch subreddit have expressed tepid interest in purchasing near release" or something? Or at least pick a comment that made more sense/reads better?
 
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D i Z

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DrDomVonDoom said:
Honestly was there anything as hype as Zelda when the PS4 and Xbox One launched ? You were paying 400-500 dollars respectivly, and then buying a 60 dollar game, for what?

Ryse? Killzone? OR all the games you already owned on your PS3/Xbox360?

I feel like 360 bucks for a switch/zelda is far better deal then any combination of ps4/one and a game out of their lines ups. Seriously.
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Yet here we are discussing these same merits. Perhaps, just perhaps Zelda isn't the be all- end all you that you believe it to be?
Maybe people are getting hip to this shit and are finally questioning why they should throw 3 bills around just to "support" a company that isn't giving them what they want in return?
 
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Maximo

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Nintendo said they learned their lesson with the Wii and won't make the same mistakes with the 3DS..they had a drought of games for awhile, they said they learned their lesson with the 3DS and wouldn't make the same mistakes with the WiiU...a drought of games ended up happening again..
And now with only having one system to worry about for the future they make THE SAME mistake with a drought of games, what the fuck is going on.

"Iwata: Nintendo NX won't repeat Wii U and 3DS launch mistakes"
http://www.nintendo-insider.com/2015/07/iwata-nintendo-nx-wont-repeat-wii-u-and-3ds-launch-mistakes/
 
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theWB27

Member
DrDomVonDoom said:
Honestly was there anything as hype as Zelda when the PS4 and Xbox One launched ? You were paying 400-500 dollars respectivly, and then buying a 60 dollar game, for what?

Ryse? Killzone? OR all the games you already owned on your PS3/Xbox360?

I feel like 360 bucks for a switch/zelda is far better deal then any combination of ps4/one and a game out of their lines ups. Seriously.
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Nintendo fans reeeeaaaalllllyy hate selection.
 
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rhandino

Banned
I could have cared any other time but since the console is launching with Breath of the Wild poor the others.

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ElectricBlanketFire said:
In Japan maybe.
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ikr? The west does not care about that flop series after Awakening and Fates. I don't know why Nintendo keeps trying it tbh
 
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efyu_lemonardo

May I have a cookie?
Maximo said:
Nintendo said they learned their lesson with the Wii and won't make the same mistakes with the 3DS..they had a drought of games for awhile, they said they learned their lesson with the 3DS and wouldn't make the same mistakes with the WiiU...a drought of games ended up happening again..
And now with only having one system to worry about for the future they make THE SAME mistake with a drought of games, what the fuck is going on.

"Iwata: Nintendo NX won’t repeat Wii U and 3DS launch mistakes"
http://www.nintendo-insider.com/2015/07/iwata-nintendo-nx-wont-repeat-wii-u-and-3ds-launch-mistakes/
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GC and N64 were no different.
 
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cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Boke1879 said:
And I'm telling you right now perception wise people aren't viewing this as a new era of Nintendo. After a Presentation people are left with the same questions. 3rd party support and a lack of compelling software. The resounding response to that presentation and the Switch right now is a massive "EH". Lots of people are in wait and see approach.

People in here saying Zelda is enough aren't looking at the mass amount of people that LOVE Zelda and have even said it's not enough to get them to drop $300 just for one game. If anything lots of people are waiting for the Fall to buy one.
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Thats okay - and Nintendo will have to convince those people down the line. For now they seem to have shown enough for people who want the system and Zelda in March. Once that launch period and that chapter is done they will move on to the next batch of titles - with bigger stuff being unveiled at at e3.

We will see if it works out for them - imo Zelda at launch is bigger than what they had on WiiU and 3DS, even if you add all 3rdParty games that were available on those launches.

theWB27 said:
What are you arguing then Sasuke? That its reality? You said people who are buying Switch at launch are ok with not having more of a selection when that is false. If it isn't a positive to you...why are you going against people who feel a lack of selection is a negative?

You keep saying that people who want more games aren't the target for Switch and it sounds like crap. If Nintendo could have more games they most definitely would. They want as many people as possible to buy this product. You do that with games and features. Games being VERY important in that equation.

If Nintendo isn't targeting the audience that wants to play more games on their hardware then wtf are they doing. Seriously...what are they doing if they aren't targeting to get as many people as possible to play their system?
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I fixed that statement with what i actually said and what this is about - the launch. We know that 3rdParty titles are planned for later down the line there will be announcements at e3 as well.

Honestly its not that hard to understand - resources are limited and the amount of people getting Switch+Zelda and are still ready to shell out for 3rdParty releases is quite low. Not even mentioning the amount of releases other systems are getting in Q1. Could they have launch with 20 3rdparty games and many of them being ports last year titles ? Probably. Would they have sold ? I dont think so. So in that case i feel the launch is more "honest" about the people they are targeting than the WiiU launch. They wanted to make you believe that 3rds were on board when moste abandoned the system even before the first game shipped.
 
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andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
The biggest thing is third party selection. Not just at launch but i don't remember seeing a call of duty of other typical ports. Not that i want that but it would be helpful to people worried about the viability. Why no announcement of a future call of duty of this thing is easy to port to? Madden?

You knew xbone and ps4 was getting third parties so there was no concern that gta5 was on the way. It seems like the same cycle as the last three times.

On the flip side, they did announce splatoon, Mario kart and regular Mario. I don't believe they'll hit that. If it sells well, they'll pat themselves on the back and delay Mario, looking for a 50 million sales killer.
 
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DrDomVonDoom

Member
Honestly, I think it will build after time, hopefully not as slowly as the 3DS did, but now near its decline of its life, the 3DS is super popular, they need a uprezzed pokemon port, they need Mario not to be pushed back, they need smash, they need Kart, the need sweet reveals, a Metroid, a Fzero, top it off with Mother 3 released exclusively for the Switch, it needs to have a solid lineup before next holiday season, im actually glad they didnt drop it before christmas.
I dont think it would have done so well, with the launch line up, but winter 2017 with the right reveals it could do some work, they just gotta start sucking that sweet 3rd party D.

Milk it nintendo, milk it like your cow.
 
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MatrixMan.EXE

Member
cw_sasuke said:
Where did i say it was a positive ? Its just how its is - reality.
Your example would be like me saying 3rdPartys didnt sell shit on WiiU and you showing me data that Mass Effect sold 13k copies trying to prove me wrong.

More content is always a good thing - but thats not the target for this launch.
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So hold on, if the target isn't having compelling content, a fully functioning online service or a competitive price, then what is it?
 
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CloudyTuba

Member
MatrixMan.EXE said:
So hold on, if the target isn't having compelling content, a fully functioning online service or a competitive price, then what is it?
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efyu_lemonardo said:
ZELDA
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I chuckled.

As a piece of hardware I love it, but the lack of software means I won't bite.
They can easily turn that around in time with the right projects, but it means I'm not even considering a launch purchase. They jumped the gun. Hard. Totally blew it. They dont even have their WiiU ports ready for launch, just ridiculous. Even just having low-effort ports ready for launch could have gotten a few brownie points since I never owned a WiiU.

Either they need to quickly and effectively expand their catalog in a meaningful and consistent way, or they need to just hit my weak point for massive damage so that I lose all capability of rational decision making (which means some sort of Metroid Prime-esque game in a console bundle).

My only hope is in the long term, but regarding that I'm still worried about the fact that Nintendo always seems very slow to learn or to admit mistake. They think they can ignore the market, ignore their audience and pretend that every choice they make is golden and everyone will wait around patiently for them. The market is not as patient as they think.

Maximo said:
Nintendo said they learned their lesson with the Wii and won't make the same mistakes with the 3DS..they had a drought of games for awhile, they said they learned their lesson with the 3DS and wouldn't make the same mistakes with the WiiU...a drought of games ended up happening again..
And now with only having one system to worry about for the future they make THE SAME mistake with a drought of games, what the fuck is going on.

"Iwata: Nintendo NX won't repeat Wii U and 3DS launch mistakes"
http://www.nintendo-insider.com/2015/07/iwata-nintendo-nx-wont-repeat-wii-u-and-3ds-launch-mistakes/
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TheMoon

TheMoon

Member
Maximo said:
Nintendo said they learned their lesson with the Wii and won't make the same mistakes with the 3DS..they had a drought of games for awhile, they said they learned their lesson with the 3DS and wouldn't make the same mistakes with the WiiU...a drought of games ended up happening again..
And now with only having one system to worry about for the future they make THE SAME mistake with a drought of games, what the fuck is going on.

"Iwata: Nintendo NX won’t repeat Wii U and 3DS launch mistakes"
http://www.nintendo-insider.com/2015/07/iwata-nintendo-nx-wont-repeat-wii-u-and-3ds-launch-mistakes/
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Except there is no drought of games from them. There is a steady stream of first party heavy hitters. More than any other first party, just like every year. You have the list right here, look at it. Where is the first party drought. Zelda, Mario Kart, Splatoon, 3D Mario, 2x new IP, Xenoblade 2. Spaced out evenly with some breathing room for their usual E3 announcement extra game(s) for the Fall season.
 
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DrDomVonDoom

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Lest we forget, the Wii U sold shit, not everyone bought one, so even Splatoon, Mario Kart and hopefully smash, those will be basically new games to people who never owned a Wii U, im not sure if theres enough merit to that argument, but there are plenty of people who missed out on those games and will experience them in a arguably better system. In a arguably better way.
 
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theWB27

Member
cw_sasuke said:
Thats okay - and Nintendo will have to convince those people down the line. For now they seem to have shown enough for people who want the system and Zelda in March. Once that launch period and that chapter is done they will move on to the next batch of titles - with bigger stuff being unveiled at at e3.

We will see if it works out for them - imo Zelda at launch is bigger than what they had on WiiU and 3DS, even if you add all 3rdParty games that were available on those launches.



I fixed that statement with what i actually said and what this is about - the launch. We know that 3rdParty titles are planned for later down the line there will be announcements at e3 as well.

Honestly its not that hard to understand - resources are limited and the amount of people getting Switch+Zelda and are still ready to shell out for 3rdParty releases is quite low. Not even mentioning the amount of releases other systems are getting in Q1. Could they have launch with 20 3rdparty games and many of them being ports last year titles ? Probably. Would they have sold ? I dont think so. So in that case i feel the launch is more "honest" about the people they are targeting than the WiiU launch. They wanted to make you believe that 3rds were on board when moste abandoned the system even before the first game shipped.
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I'm out of this back and forth with you.
 
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efyu_lemonardo

May I have a cookie?
TheMoon said:
Except there is no drought of games from them. There is a steady stream of first party heavy hitters. More than any other first party, just like every year. You have the list right here, look at it. Where is the first party drought. Zelda, Mario Kart, Splatoon, 3D Mario, 2x new IP, Xenoblade 2. Spaced out evenly with some breathing room for their usual E3 announcement extra game(s) for the Fall season.
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Also every single announced game will hit its target release date. Some might even release ahead of schedule, Nintendo are known for this.
 
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PBY

Banned
DrDomVonDoom said:
Lest we forget, the Wii U sold shit, not everyone bought one, so even Splatoon, Mario Kart and hopefully smash, those will be basically new games to people who never owned a Wii U, im not sure if theres enough merit to that argument, but there are plenty of people who missed out on those games and will experience them in a arguably better system. In a arguably better way.
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Yeah... but its not launching with those. I think the lineup at launch is honestly shocking. Its the worst lineup I've ever experienced.

I preordered, but I can't believe there aren't more Wii U ports or random 3rd party games.
 
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ryseing

Member
DrDomVonDoom said:
Honestly was there anything as hype as Zelda when the PS4 and Xbox One launched ? You were paying 400-500 dollars respectivly, and then buying a 60 dollar game, for what?

Ryse? Killzone? OR all the games you already owned on your PS3/Xbox360?

I feel like 360 bucks for a switch/zelda is far better deal then any combination of ps4/one and a game out of their lines ups. Seriously.
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Playing AC4, which was my GOTY in 2013, in beautiful 1080p made my purchase worth every penny.

That was one of those awe-inspiring moments you don't get very often from games.
 
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notaskwid

Member
DrDomVonDoom said:
Honestly was there anything as hype as Zelda when the PS4 and Xbox One launched ? You were paying 400-500 dollars respectivly, and then buying a 60 dollar game, for what?

Ryse? Killzone? OR all the games you already owned on your PS3/Xbox360?

I feel like 360 bucks for a switch/zelda is far better deal then any combination of ps4/one and a game out of their lines ups. Seriously.
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Except that zelda is also coming out on the Wii U.
 
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